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==Original Russian name or NATO reporting name?==
If you want an answer to why, by the way, there's a couple reasons:
Should we use the original Russian designation or the NATO designation to name this weapon? (this discussion also applies to the [[AT-4 Spigot]], the [[AT-5 Spandrel]], and the [[AT-14 Spriggan]]) I think we should use the original Russian designation since --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 01:45, 8 August 2018 (EDT)
*A fair few of our founding users are of the age where their main references are Cold War-era books and documentaries: in these, these aren't just the NATO names of these systems, they're often the ''only'' names given to these systems (mainly because the GRAU designations weren't widely known in the West). As a casual example I have a book from 1983 called ''Rockets and Missiles of World War III'' which will only ever use the NATO reporting name.
*The AT-(number) system is much, much easier to remember than the GRAU inventory code. I could tell you the NATO names from memory (which, when you think about it, isn't surprising since that's the whole point of those codes), I doubt I could manage a single one of the GRAU codes.
*The AT- codes are kind of convenient in that they can be used to refer to the missile or the system as a whole without being any less correct: the GRAU designations applied to the systems in various sources are much more confusing. AT-3 is usually referred to by the GRAU code 9M14 which is the code for the missile, AT-4 is 9K111 which is the entire system, AT-5 is 9M113 which is the missile, AT-13 is 9K115-2 which is the entire system, and AT-14 is 9M133 which is the missile. I have no idea why it works that way.
[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:38, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

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If you want an answer to why, by the way, there's a couple reasons:

  • A fair few of our founding users are of the age where their main references are Cold War-era books and documentaries: in these, these aren't just the NATO names of these systems, they're often the only names given to these systems (mainly because the GRAU designations weren't widely known in the West). As a casual example I have a book from 1983 called Rockets and Missiles of World War III which will only ever use the NATO reporting name.
  • The AT-(number) system is much, much easier to remember than the GRAU inventory code. I could tell you the NATO names from memory (which, when you think about it, isn't surprising since that's the whole point of those codes), I doubt I could manage a single one of the GRAU codes.
  • The AT- codes are kind of convenient in that they can be used to refer to the missile or the system as a whole without being any less correct: the GRAU designations applied to the systems in various sources are much more confusing. AT-3 is usually referred to by the GRAU code 9M14 which is the code for the missile, AT-4 is 9K111 which is the entire system, AT-5 is 9M113 which is the missile, AT-13 is 9K115-2 which is the entire system, and AT-14 is 9M133 which is the missile. I have no idea why it works that way.

Evil Tim (talk) 02:38, 8 August 2018 (EDT)