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'''Arxada qalmış gələcək''' is the temporary name of this page. I absolutely don't know Azerbaijani language, so, I can't translate it's title to English. [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6253322/?ref_=ttfc_fc_tt IMDB] doesn't contain English title. So, I leave this title for discussion about the better title, than it should be renamed. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 17:59, 24 September 2017 (EDT) | '''Arxada qalmış gələcək''' is the temporary name of this page. I absolutely don't know Azerbaijani language, so, I can't translate it's title to English. [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6253322/?ref_=ttfc_fc_tt IMDB] doesn't contain English title. So, I leave this title for discussion about the better title, than it should be renamed. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 17:59, 24 September 2017 (EDT) | ||
: Google translate makes it as 'It's coming back' in English. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 01:22, 25 September 2017 (EDT) | : Google translate makes it as 'It's coming back' in English. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 01:22, 25 September 2017 (EDT) | ||
::As one can see, the title is translated to other languages as "Взлётная полоса" (Russian), "Pas startowy" (Polish), so I guess that the proper English translation would be "Runway" (or maybe "Airstrip"). But this is translation of another title of the movie, "Uçuş xətti", while "Arxada qalmış gələcək" means something like "It will be left behind" (google translates so). BTW, a good promo image in [https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:%D0%A4%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC_%C2%AB%D0%92%D0%B7%D0%BB%D1%91%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B0%C2%BB.jpg Wikipedia]. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 10:37, 25 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::In fact, ''Взлётная полоса'' is a licensed Russian title, which doesn't direct translation of original (probably, due the original title isn't optimal for anti-war drama), like Die Hard was licensed in Russia as Крепкий орешек. The ''Uçuş xətti'' is a reverce translate of Russian title, and, it had never uses in Azerbaijan. I also guess, that Polish and Ukrainian wiki just translated Russian page (possibly due the unknowing of Azerbaijani language). [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 11:34, 25 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
:Now I return to the country and have eccess to PC. I guess, that this movie is licensed in Russia under the ''Взлётная полоса'', because the directional translate of original title may be did non correct association for Russian speaking audience: it create some effect of science fiction, while the movie depict a tragic fate of a young boy in the hell of war. The original Azerbaijani title of this movie is "It will be left behind", due the main hero (Səməd) traveled to the past (ten years ago). [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 16:54, 25 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
== Norinco rifles in Azerbaijan? == | |||
The screenshots are a bit too grainy, so excuse me if I'm making a preemptive assumption, but wouldn't it be more logical if ''Type 56'' and ''NDM-86'' were Soviet manufactured ''AKM'' and ''SVD'' rifles? Unlike movies filmed over the other side of the iron curtain which had to get creative (or more often, just not) with their baddy Ruskie firearms, ex-Soviet republics had direct access to what laid around in their armories at the time. In [http://www.imfdb.org/images/9/9b/Arxada_qalmis_gelecek_rifle_4_3.jpg one screenshot] for example, the Type 56 is an AK-74 (judging by the 5,56 Bakelite magazine and the barely identifiable muzzle brake), in fact. Is there any concrete reason to assume these would be Chinese manufacture contrary to domestic ex-Soviet one I could be completely overshooting? Pun not intended, ''I swear!'' | |||
Another thing of note, Yuri Baliev and Aydin Aliyev's pistol holsters are old, leather [http://www.ebay.com/itm/Russian-Soviet-9x18-Makarov-Pistol-Holster-Brown-Leather-W-Cleaning-Rod-/371218798266 Makarov holsters]. And while we can't prove that definitively, I am pretty certain no one other model could be in there, bar one of those small caliber civilian market Makarovs.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 03:24, 25 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
== Help to ID the missile launcher == | |||
Hello! Excuse me, I have some request: can anybody help with ID the missile launcher? [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 06:12, 26 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
[[Image:Arxada qalmis gelecek tank 2 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another view of the same MT-LB personnel carrier. Missile launcher is seen.]] | |||
:The doubling effect makes it hard to make out, but I'm betting it's either a [https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5137/5454940632_c34b97e3c7_b.jpg B-8M1] or a [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Aircraft_engine_MiG-23_rockets_pods.jpg/1280px-Aircraft_engine_MiG-23_rockets_pods.jpg UB-16-57UMP], though [http://www.lietadla.com/vyzbroj/s-5/ub-32_mig-27-01.jpg UB-32A] is also possible, however their rocket pod seems a bit too stout to be a direct match. All of them are usually CAS armaments probably taken off a Mi-24, Su-25 or a MiG-23.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 09:53, 26 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
::I uploaded afew more screenshots: | |||
[[Image:Arxada qalmis gelecek tank 2 3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
[[Image:Arxada qalmis gelecek tank 2 4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
[[Image:Arxada qalmis gelecek tank 2 5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
[[Image:Arxada qalmis gelecek tank 2 6.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
[[Image:Arxada qalmis gelecek tank 2 7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
Maybe, it's will be usefull for ID. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 10:28, 26 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
:They sure do the job! I am certain it's a '''UB-16-57UM'''(P), the five inner tubes sticking out of the forward cone, the 16 rocket tubes and the narrowing of the back end are all tell-tale giveaways!--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 14:07, 26 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
::Many thanks for the help! Now, this page is seems complite, exept the title, certanly. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 14:23, 26 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
The machine gun on BMP-2 must be PKT, not PKTM, as the latter simply didn't exist during the 1990s when the footage of Nagorno-Karabakh War was made. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 14:53, 26 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::Greg's right! For some reason, the very obvious thought, that ''the '''archival''' footage'' was taken ''during'' the conflict never occurred to me. PKTM is mounted on contemporary BMP-2 production, and as such might be anachronistic for the conflict that ended in 1994. That said, can someone help me source the year PKT'''M''' went into service? I haven't managed to find any source on the production run on my own. That only leaves the possibility of a coax PKT, as BMP-2 didn't mount any other platforms in that position as far as I'm aware. | |||
The page is looking pretty nifty now. Always nice to see a relatively obscure movie get a proper treatment!--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 15:51, 26 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::PKTM was issued in 1998. But hardly it was really used on armored vehicles earlier than mid-2000s. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:11, 27 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
:I uploaded a few more screenshots. Maybe, it's help with ID. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 15:15, 26 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
[[Image:Arxada qalmis gelecek tank 1 1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|BMP-2 showcasing the armament encased in a turret with a 30mm 2A42 autocannon and 7.62mm coaxial PKTM machine gun.]] | |||
[[Image:Arxada qalmis gelecek tank 1 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
[[Image:Arxada qalmis gelecek tank 1 3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
[[Image:Arxada qalmis gelecek tank 1 4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
What is the problem with this? This is a standard BMP-2 with 2A42 and PKT. The muzzle of 30mm cannon is under protection cover. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:38, 26 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
:Many thanks! The lack of correct English title is the only, that separate this page to completing. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 16:02, 26 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 08:33, 27 September 2017
English Title
Arxada qalmış gələcək is the temporary name of this page. I absolutely don't know Azerbaijani language, so, I can't translate it's title to English. IMDB doesn't contain English title. So, I leave this title for discussion about the better title, than it should be renamed. Pyramid Silent (talk) 17:59, 24 September 2017 (EDT)
- Google translate makes it as 'It's coming back' in English. StanTheMan (talk) 01:22, 25 September 2017 (EDT)
- As one can see, the title is translated to other languages as "Взлётная полоса" (Russian), "Pas startowy" (Polish), so I guess that the proper English translation would be "Runway" (or maybe "Airstrip"). But this is translation of another title of the movie, "Uçuş xətti", while "Arxada qalmış gələcək" means something like "It will be left behind" (google translates so). BTW, a good promo image in Wikipedia. Greg-Z (talk) 10:37, 25 September 2017 (EDT)
- In fact, Взлётная полоса is a licensed Russian title, which doesn't direct translation of original (probably, due the original title isn't optimal for anti-war drama), like Die Hard was licensed in Russia as Крепкий орешек. The Uçuş xətti is a reverce translate of Russian title, and, it had never uses in Azerbaijan. I also guess, that Polish and Ukrainian wiki just translated Russian page (possibly due the unknowing of Azerbaijani language). Pyramid Silent (talk) 11:34, 25 September 2017 (EDT)
- As one can see, the title is translated to other languages as "Взлётная полоса" (Russian), "Pas startowy" (Polish), so I guess that the proper English translation would be "Runway" (or maybe "Airstrip"). But this is translation of another title of the movie, "Uçuş xətti", while "Arxada qalmış gələcək" means something like "It will be left behind" (google translates so). BTW, a good promo image in Wikipedia. Greg-Z (talk) 10:37, 25 September 2017 (EDT)
- Now I return to the country and have eccess to PC. I guess, that this movie is licensed in Russia under the Взлётная полоса, because the directional translate of original title may be did non correct association for Russian speaking audience: it create some effect of science fiction, while the movie depict a tragic fate of a young boy in the hell of war. The original Azerbaijani title of this movie is "It will be left behind", due the main hero (Səməd) traveled to the past (ten years ago). Pyramid Silent (talk) 16:54, 25 September 2017 (EDT)
Norinco rifles in Azerbaijan?
The screenshots are a bit too grainy, so excuse me if I'm making a preemptive assumption, but wouldn't it be more logical if Type 56 and NDM-86 were Soviet manufactured AKM and SVD rifles? Unlike movies filmed over the other side of the iron curtain which had to get creative (or more often, just not) with their baddy Ruskie firearms, ex-Soviet republics had direct access to what laid around in their armories at the time. In one screenshot for example, the Type 56 is an AK-74 (judging by the 5,56 Bakelite magazine and the barely identifiable muzzle brake), in fact. Is there any concrete reason to assume these would be Chinese manufacture contrary to domestic ex-Soviet one I could be completely overshooting? Pun not intended, I swear!
Another thing of note, Yuri Baliev and Aydin Aliyev's pistol holsters are old, leather Makarov holsters. And while we can't prove that definitively, I am pretty certain no one other model could be in there, bar one of those small caliber civilian market Makarovs.--BeloglaviSup (talk) 03:24, 25 September 2017 (EDT)
Help to ID the missile launcher
Hello! Excuse me, I have some request: can anybody help with ID the missile launcher? Pyramid Silent (talk) 06:12, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
- The doubling effect makes it hard to make out, but I'm betting it's either a B-8M1 or a UB-16-57UMP, though UB-32A is also possible, however their rocket pod seems a bit too stout to be a direct match. All of them are usually CAS armaments probably taken off a Mi-24, Su-25 or a MiG-23.--BeloglaviSup (talk) 09:53, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
- I uploaded afew more screenshots:
Maybe, it's will be usefull for ID. Pyramid Silent (talk) 10:28, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
- They sure do the job! I am certain it's a UB-16-57UM(P), the five inner tubes sticking out of the forward cone, the 16 rocket tubes and the narrowing of the back end are all tell-tale giveaways!--BeloglaviSup (talk) 14:07, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
- Many thanks for the help! Now, this page is seems complite, exept the title, certanly. Pyramid Silent (talk) 14:23, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
The machine gun on BMP-2 must be PKT, not PKTM, as the latter simply didn't exist during the 1990s when the footage of Nagorno-Karabakh War was made. Greg-Z (talk) 14:53, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
- Greg's right! For some reason, the very obvious thought, that the archival footage was taken during the conflict never occurred to me. PKTM is mounted on contemporary BMP-2 production, and as such might be anachronistic for the conflict that ended in 1994. That said, can someone help me source the year PKTM went into service? I haven't managed to find any source on the production run on my own. That only leaves the possibility of a coax PKT, as BMP-2 didn't mount any other platforms in that position as far as I'm aware.
The page is looking pretty nifty now. Always nice to see a relatively obscure movie get a proper treatment!--BeloglaviSup (talk) 15:51, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
- I uploaded a few more screenshots. Maybe, it's help with ID. Pyramid Silent (talk) 15:15, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
What is the problem with this? This is a standard BMP-2 with 2A42 and PKT. The muzzle of 30mm cannon is under protection cover. Greg-Z (talk) 15:38, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
- Many thanks! The lack of correct English title is the only, that separate this page to completing. Pyramid Silent (talk) 16:02, 26 September 2017 (EDT)