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=Is it REALLY a MAT-49?= | ==Is it REALLY a MAT-49?== | ||
Just by looking at the barrel, the magazine well, and the bolt, this doesn't look like a MAT-49 at all... -[[User:SeptemberJack|SeptemberJack]] ([[User talk:SeptemberJack|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2017 (EDT) | Just by looking at the barrel, the magazine well, and the bolt, this doesn't look like a MAT-49 at all... -[[User:SeptemberJack|SeptemberJack]] ([[User talk:SeptemberJack|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2017 (EDT) | ||
:As far, as I know, MAT49 is the only SMG with a foldin magazine. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 23:44, 15 August 2017 (EDT) | :As far, as I know, MAT49 is the only SMG with a foldin magazine. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 23:44, 15 August 2017 (EDT) | ||
::It's not the only one. FNA-B 43, for example, and some others. But anyway the screen gun has nothing in common with MAT-49, different barrel, different receiver, different attaching of sling. I'll try to make some research. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:43, 16 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::I think that it can be [http://modernfirearms.net/smg/switch/sig-mp-4-mp-310-e.html Swiss SIG MP-310] with some muzzle extention (possibly blank firing adapter). Compare the general shape, the position of the sight, the magazine housing lock button (seen on third screenshot) and the position of the pistol grip slightly behind the back of the receiver. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 04:04, 16 August 2017 (EDT) ''Note:'' MP-310 seems to be better guess than MP-48, the first version of this gun, as MP-48 had wooden furniture that would be seen on screen. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 04:08, 16 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::Many thanks. It's very interesting to see a Swiss SMG in Plillipines movie. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 08:40, 16 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
== PPS-43 == | |||
The SMG looks similar to PPS-43 but it seem to have the pistol grip and the magazine well very close to each other, more close than on PPS. It is just a visual effect? Maybe we can see this SMG on another angle? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:43, 16 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
:Sorry, this gun is seen clearly only once. It's also probably seen at the night scene, but I'm not sure. Anywhere, I uploads a few more screenshots. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 08:38, 16 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
::Yes, it's not PPS. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 09:06, 16 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::May as well put my opinion here too, I think it's a Colt Mars PDW with a 'futuristic' shell. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 20:35, 16 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::Scratch that, it may be a Floro PDW instead. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 20:41, 16 August 2017 (EDT)\ | |||
:::::Did Floro PDW exist in 1985? Looks like it was designed in 1990s, or not? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 00:37, 17 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::::For comparison: [http://weaponland.ru/_ph/7/633184204.jpg Floro PDW] in center. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 02:52, 17 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::::New idea, a dressed up M1 Carbine pistol. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 07:40, 26 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::::::You meen [[Iver Johnson Enforcer Pistol]]? Possible but the magazine well still looks different and the space between the magazine and trigger guard seems larger than on the screen gun. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 09:09, 26 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::::::It could've been made with parts into a custom blank only movie prop, but I can't say for sure. Just my best guess. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 12:26, 26 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
:I rewatch this moment and saw, that this gun has a moved hammershape part, which moves during the firing. Cycle depicted by numerous from 1 to 4. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 01:37, 17 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
[[Image:Wheels of Fire SMG 2 7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
[[Image:Wheels of Fire SMG 2 8.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
[[Image:Wheels of Fire SMG 2 9.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
[[Image:Wheels of Fire SMG 2 10.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
[[Image:Wheels of Fire SMG 2 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Trace draws his SMG.]] | |||
[[Image:Wheels of Fire SMG 2 3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Trace aims.]] | |||
[[Image:Wheels of Fire SMG 2 1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Perfect view from the muzzle.]] | |||
[[Image:Wheels of Fire SMG 2 4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Trace with the SMG during the night. The grip is seen.]] | |||
[[Image:Wheels of Fire SMG 2 5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Receiver is seen. It's possibly the same machine gun due the curved magazine.]] | |||
[[Image:Wheels of Fire SMG 2 6.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Magazine is partly seen.]] | |||
:Not so much (more precisely, very few) SMGs with an upper charging handle. Maybe it's a Chinese Thompson [https://www.forgottenweapons.com/submachine-guns/chinese-thompson-smg], dressed like a futuristic gun? -[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 16:11, 17 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
== M16 == | |||
M16s are most likely Philippine-made Elisco M16A1s. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:43, 16 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
:Many thanks! I corrected the page [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 08:38, 16 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
== Mortar == | |||
2B14 Podnos Mortar cannot appear in 1985 Philippines-filmed movie. This must be some old 81mm mortar of US origin, issued to Philippines army. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 00:12, 16 August 2017 (EDT) [[M1 Mortar]], I guess. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:43, 16 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
:I complitely forgot about it, sorry. Now, I corrected the ID. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 08:39, 16 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
== Artillery == | |||
Field cannons are 105 mm M2A1 (redesignating M101A1) howitzers. Heavy cannons on second and third screenshots need more research, but I think that these are mockups, resembling WW1 era siege mortars. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:43, 16 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
:I think that I found the heavy guns. These are [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/12-inch_Mortar.jpg 12-inch M1890M1 mortars] of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_Way Battery Way], located on the island of Corregidor, Philippines. Currently this is a museum. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 08:03, 16 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
:Many thanks for the help! I uploads a few more screenshots. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 08:36, 16 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
[[Image:Wheels of Fire cannon 2 1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mortars is seen at the left.]] | |||
[[Image:Wheels of Fire cannon 2 4.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mortars is seen]] | |||
[[Image:Wheels of Fire cannon 2 2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Scourge's men stay near mortars.]]] | |||
[[Image:Wheels of Fire cannon 2 5.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Wheels is seen.]] | |||
[[Image:Wheels of Fire cannon 2 3.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Good view of the mortars.]] | |||
== Armor == | |||
The vehicle doesn't seem to have a large turret so it is possibly tracked APC, not a tank. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:43, 16 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
:According to [http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_835014-FMC-LVT-P5.html IMCDB], this is FMC LVT-P5. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 06:56, 16 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
::Thanks a lot! I add this information. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 08:41, 16 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
== Total Road Warrior wannabe == | |||
Just saying. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 12:33, 16 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 16:26, 26 August 2017
Is it REALLY a MAT-49?
Just by looking at the barrel, the magazine well, and the bolt, this doesn't look like a MAT-49 at all... -SeptemberJack (talk) 19:47, 15 August 2017 (EDT)
- As far, as I know, MAT49 is the only SMG with a foldin magazine. Pyramid Silent (talk) 23:44, 15 August 2017 (EDT)
- It's not the only one. FNA-B 43, for example, and some others. But anyway the screen gun has nothing in common with MAT-49, different barrel, different receiver, different attaching of sling. I'll try to make some research. Greg-Z (talk) 03:43, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
- I think that it can be Swiss SIG MP-310 with some muzzle extention (possibly blank firing adapter). Compare the general shape, the position of the sight, the magazine housing lock button (seen on third screenshot) and the position of the pistol grip slightly behind the back of the receiver. Greg-Z (talk) 04:04, 16 August 2017 (EDT) Note: MP-310 seems to be better guess than MP-48, the first version of this gun, as MP-48 had wooden furniture that would be seen on screen. Greg-Z (talk) 04:08, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
- Many thanks. It's very interesting to see a Swiss SMG in Plillipines movie. Pyramid Silent (talk) 08:40, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
- I think that it can be Swiss SIG MP-310 with some muzzle extention (possibly blank firing adapter). Compare the general shape, the position of the sight, the magazine housing lock button (seen on third screenshot) and the position of the pistol grip slightly behind the back of the receiver. Greg-Z (talk) 04:04, 16 August 2017 (EDT) Note: MP-310 seems to be better guess than MP-48, the first version of this gun, as MP-48 had wooden furniture that would be seen on screen. Greg-Z (talk) 04:08, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
- It's not the only one. FNA-B 43, for example, and some others. But anyway the screen gun has nothing in common with MAT-49, different barrel, different receiver, different attaching of sling. I'll try to make some research. Greg-Z (talk) 03:43, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
PPS-43
The SMG looks similar to PPS-43 but it seem to have the pistol grip and the magazine well very close to each other, more close than on PPS. It is just a visual effect? Maybe we can see this SMG on another angle? Greg-Z (talk) 03:43, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
- Sorry, this gun is seen clearly only once. It's also probably seen at the night scene, but I'm not sure. Anywhere, I uploads a few more screenshots. Pyramid Silent (talk) 08:38, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
- Yes, it's not PPS. Pyramid Silent (talk) 09:06, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
- May as well put my opinion here too, I think it's a Colt Mars PDW with a 'futuristic' shell. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 20:35, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
- Scratch that, it may be a Floro PDW instead. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 20:41, 16 August 2017 (EDT)\
- Did Floro PDW exist in 1985? Looks like it was designed in 1990s, or not? Greg-Z (talk) 00:37, 17 August 2017 (EDT)
- For comparison: Floro PDW in center. Greg-Z (talk) 02:52, 17 August 2017 (EDT)
- New idea, a dressed up M1 Carbine pistol. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 07:40, 26 August 2017 (EDT)
- You meen Iver Johnson Enforcer Pistol? Possible but the magazine well still looks different and the space between the magazine and trigger guard seems larger than on the screen gun. Greg-Z (talk) 09:09, 26 August 2017 (EDT)
- It could've been made with parts into a custom blank only movie prop, but I can't say for sure. Just my best guess. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 12:26, 26 August 2017 (EDT)
- You meen Iver Johnson Enforcer Pistol? Possible but the magazine well still looks different and the space between the magazine and trigger guard seems larger than on the screen gun. Greg-Z (talk) 09:09, 26 August 2017 (EDT)
- New idea, a dressed up M1 Carbine pistol. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 07:40, 26 August 2017 (EDT)
- Scratch that, it may be a Floro PDW instead. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 20:41, 16 August 2017 (EDT)\
- May as well put my opinion here too, I think it's a Colt Mars PDW with a 'futuristic' shell. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 20:35, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
- Yes, it's not PPS. Pyramid Silent (talk) 09:06, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
- I rewatch this moment and saw, that this gun has a moved hammershape part, which moves during the firing. Cycle depicted by numerous from 1 to 4. Pyramid Silent (talk) 01:37, 17 August 2017 (EDT)
- Not so much (more precisely, very few) SMGs with an upper charging handle. Maybe it's a Chinese Thompson [1], dressed like a futuristic gun? -Slon95 (talk) 16:11, 17 August 2017 (EDT)
M16
M16s are most likely Philippine-made Elisco M16A1s. Greg-Z (talk) 03:43, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
- Many thanks! I corrected the page Pyramid Silent (talk) 08:38, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
Mortar
2B14 Podnos Mortar cannot appear in 1985 Philippines-filmed movie. This must be some old 81mm mortar of US origin, issued to Philippines army. Greg-Z (talk) 00:12, 16 August 2017 (EDT) M1 Mortar, I guess. Greg-Z (talk) 03:43, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
- I complitely forgot about it, sorry. Now, I corrected the ID. Pyramid Silent (talk) 08:39, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
Artillery
Field cannons are 105 mm M2A1 (redesignating M101A1) howitzers. Heavy cannons on second and third screenshots need more research, but I think that these are mockups, resembling WW1 era siege mortars. Greg-Z (talk) 03:43, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
- I think that I found the heavy guns. These are 12-inch M1890M1 mortars of Battery Way, located on the island of Corregidor, Philippines. Currently this is a museum. Greg-Z (talk) 08:03, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
- Many thanks for the help! I uploads a few more screenshots. Pyramid Silent (talk) 08:36, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
]
Armor
The vehicle doesn't seem to have a large turret so it is possibly tracked APC, not a tank. Greg-Z (talk) 03:43, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
- According to IMCDB, this is FMC LVT-P5. Greg-Z (talk) 06:56, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
- Thanks a lot! I add this information. Pyramid Silent (talk) 08:41, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
Total Road Warrior wannabe
Just saying. Spartan198 (talk) 12:33, 16 August 2017 (EDT)