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=Additional Images= | =Additional Images= | ||
==Screen Used== | ==Screen Used== | ||
[[File:Jamesgeorgopoulosthedarkknightjoker.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 with shortened barrel and shortened stock - 12 gauge. This is the screen-used firearm seen handled by [[Heath Ledger]] and [[William Fichtner]] in ''[[The Dark Knight]]''. '''Thanks to [[User:Jimmygcreative|James Georgopoulos]]'''.]] | |||
[[File:Jamesgeorgopoulosthedarkknightjoker.jpg|thumb|none| | [[Image:Remingt870WitProt Eli.jpg |thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 "Witness Protection" Short Shotgun - 12 gauge. This is the actual screen gun used by [[Denzel Washington]] in ''[[The Book of Eli]]''.]] | ||
[[Image:Remingt870WitProt Eli. | [[File:SBS4E5REM 870.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Remington Model 870 with Aimtec Warhammer rail system, FAB Defense stock and pump, MAGPUL Back-Up Sights, and 1st generation Bushnell Holosight - 12 gauge. This is the screen-used gun from ''[[Strike Back - Season 4]]'']] | ||
[[File:SBS4E5REM 870.jpg|thumb| | [[Image:Natural Born Killers Shotgun.jpg|500px|thumb|none|A prop photo of the Hero Customized Remington Model 870 used in ''[[Natural Born Killers]]''. Note it's misidentified as a Winchester Model 12.]] | ||
[[Image:Natural Born Killers Shotgun.jpg| | [[File:Rem 870 breacher barrel.JPG|thumb|none|500px|A screen used Remington Model 870 with an extended magazine tube, a rear pistol grip and a breacher barrel used on the show '''''[[Dark Blue (TV Series)|Dark Blue]]''''' - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[File:Remington870 F8 1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 fitted with orange Magpul furniture - 12 gauge, used in ''[[The Fate of the Furious]]''. Image courtesy of '''Xtreme Props'''.]] | |||
[[File:Remington870 F8 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another angle of the gun, but without the full visibility of the Magpul SGA stock.]] | |||
[[File:Route666-Remington870.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Screen used Remington Model 870 Police Magnum with black synthetic furniture - 12 gauge. This is the hero gun used by [[L.Q. Jones]] and [[Steven Williams]] in ''[[Route 666]]''. ]] | |||
[[File:Ghost-in-the-shell-gunman-shotgun-prop.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Short Remington Model 870 as used in ''[[Ghost in the Shell (2017)]]''.]] | |||
==Additional Variants== | ==Additional Variants== | ||
[[ | [[File:Remington-870-WIngmaster-Field-Gun-no-Ribbing.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Wingmaster with non ribbed barrel - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:Custom870wMossbergGhostRing.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Custom Remington Model 870 combat shotgun with Mossberg Ghost Ring sights - this shotgun was built to resemble the shotgun used by [[Ving Rhames]] in 2004's ''[[Dawn of the Dead (2004)|Dawn of the Dead]]''.]] | ||
[[ | [[File:870 Express Magpul.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Express Tactical Magpul - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[ | [[File:Remington 870 Tac-14 shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 TAC-14 - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[ | [[File:Remington 870 black pistol gripped.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 with black furniture and pistol grip - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[ | [[File:REMINGTON 870 EXPRESS TACTICAL PISTOL GRIP.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Express with TacStar pistol grip - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[ | [[Image:Black870folder.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Police Magnum with Folding Stock - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[File:Rem870short.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Field with sawed-off stock and barrel - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[ | [[Image:Rem870rail.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Shorted Remington Model 870 with a Pachmayr Vindicator pistol grip, receiver attached tri-rail, and tri-railed foregrip - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:Rem870entry.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Entry Gun - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:Remington 870 Defender.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 with TacStar front and rear pistol grips - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image:Remington 870 | [[Image:Aow9723.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 with a sawed-off barrel and stock - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:870 shorty.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Short barreled Remington Model 870 with TacStar front and rear pistol grips - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:Model870P Speedfeed RS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870P with rifle sights and SpeedFeed Standard Stock - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:Remington 870 Express Tactical (factory).jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Express Synthetic Tactical with factory 7-shot extended tube magazine - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image:Remington 870 Express Tactical.jpg|thumb|none| | [[Image:Rem870 Express Tactical.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Express Tactical - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:Remington 870 MCS CQB Breacher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Police Breacher System - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:Remington870MarineMag.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Marine Magnum - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:Rem870w618Surefire.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 with Surefire dedicated forend weaponlight - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[ | [[Image:Remington870NewTacticalModel.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 New Police Tactical Model with Magpul CTR telescoping stock - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[File:Remington 870PM Gunmetal finish.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Police Magnum with Gunmetal finish - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[File:Remington | [[Image:Remington 870 Express Tactical.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Express Tactical - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:Remington 870 Knoxx Tactical A.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Express Tactical with KNOXX SpecOps NRS stock - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[ | [[Image:Rem870M4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 fitted with a pistol grip, Surefire light, and M4-type stock - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:Remington 870 police marine ma 640.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Marine Magnum with a pistol grip and M4-type stock - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:P1010021.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Short barreled Remington Model 870 with AR-15 stock and pistol grip adapter and full-length picatinny rail system - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[File:Remington Model 870 pistol grip and breacher muzzle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 with pistol grip and breacher muzzle - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[ | [[File:Remington870Breach.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 with TacStar pistol grip and Breacher Muzzle - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[ | [[File:Remington 870P NFA shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870P NFA 14" shotgun with Tamer pistol grip - 12 gauge.]] | ||
[[ | [[File:Remington 870PM NFA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870P Magnum NFA 14" shotgun with Pachmayr pistol grip - 12 gauge.]] | ||
[[ | [[Image:Wilson 870.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Wilson Customized Remington Model 870 shotgun with synthetic furniture, sling, weaponlight, rifle sights and a laser sight - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:Wilson2shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Wilson Customized Remington Model 870 shotgun with synthetic furniture, sling, weaponlight, rifle sights and a laser sight - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[File:Remington 870 Police.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Police with extended magazine tube and Surefire dedicated forend weaponlight - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[ | [[Image:Rem870extmag.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Police Magnum with a 20" barrel, extended magazine tube, wood furniture and blued finish - 12 gauge (credit to [[User:Predator20|Predator 20]])]] | ||
[[Image: | [[File:Rem870PoliceBlack.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Police Magnum with black furniture and extended magazine tube - 12 gauge (credit to [[User:Predator20|Predator 20]])]] | ||
[[ | [[Image:4087239650 3fc96e1b79 o.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Express Synthetic with a SpecterGear SOP sling and shell carrier - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:Rem870shortM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 shotgun with shortened barrel and M4 stock - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:Rem870 twotone.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Remington Model 870 Two Tone - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:RemingtonMod.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 with a heatshield, Surefire light - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[ | [[Image:870trench.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Trench Shotgun - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:USMC870.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 with USMC configuration - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:Rem870Express.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Remington Model 870 Express - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[ | [[Image:Remington-870-lefthand.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Remington Model 870 Express Left-Hand, 28" vent-rib barrel - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:REM870exp_combo.jpeg|500px|thumb|none|Remington Model 870 Express Combo - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[ | [[Image:Remington-870Express-Camo-Trky.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Remington Model 870 Express Turkey Camo - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[ | [[Image:Remington870PistolGrip-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 with a synthetic fore-end and a TacStar pistol grip - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image:870-exp-ss-syn-cls-prod.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Express ShurShot Synthetic Cantilever - 12 gauge. Image from Remington's website.]] | |||
[[Image:Rem870Butler.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 fitted with Butler Creek Tactical foregrip - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:870wngmstr16-prod.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Wingmaster - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[Image:Rem870WingAP.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Wingmaster AP - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[Image:RemingtonModel870Wingmaster.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Current Remington Model 870 Wingmaster - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:870marine mag-prod.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Special Purpose Marine - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[Image:870MM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Marine Magnum with extended mag tube, rifle sights, and pistol gripped stock - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[Image:Shorty870.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Short barreled Remington Model 870 with raised vented sight rib, Hogue Tamer pistol grip, and Pachmayr Vindicator foregrip - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Remington 870 Hogue.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870P with Hogue pistol grip - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Rem870Magpul.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 with Magpul MOE handguard and SGA Stock - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Remington 870 Harris Tactical.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 with Harris Tactical Full Rail System - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Remington 870 shotgun short barrel.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 with short barrel - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Remington Model 870 Wingmaster with breach muzzle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Wingmaster with breacher muzzle - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Remington Model 870 Magnum heat shield and pistol grip.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Magnum with Hogue Tamer pistol grip, 18” barrel and ATI heat shield - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Remington 870 Bullpup Unlimited.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 with Unlimited Bullpup conversion - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Model-870-Extended-Tube-With-Rifle-Sights.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 Police Magnum with extended tube and rifle sights - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Wilson_Combat_CQB.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Wilson Combat CQB - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Wilson_Combat_Less_Lethal_CQB.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Wilson Combat Less Lethal CQB - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Salient Arms International Remington M870.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Salient Arms International Remington M870 - 12 gauge]] | |||
===Detachable Magazine Variants=== | |||
[[File:Remington 870 TAC-14 DM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 TAC-14 DM - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Remington Model 870 DM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 870 DM - 12 gauge]] | |||
===Airsoft Variants=== | |||
[[File:M870.jpg|thumb|500px|none|'''Airsoft''' G&P M870 RAS.]] | |||
[[File:JAG Arms Scattergun TSS model with side saddle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jag Arms Scattergun TSS Model with Side Saddle and M4 stock.]] | |||
[[File:Cyma_CM353LM.JPG|thumb|none|500px|CYMA CM353LM]] | |||
[[File:S&T Model 870 Super Magnum.jpg|thumb|none|500px|S&T Model 870 Super Magnum]] | |||
===Photoshopped Variants=== | |||
[[File:Remington870Heatshield.JPG|thumb|none|500px|'''Photoshopped''' image of a Remington Model 870 with a heatshield - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Remiongton Heatshield.jpg |thumb|none|500px|'''Photoshopped''' image of a Remington Model 870 with a heatshield - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:CustomShorty870.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'''Photoshopped''' Custom Remington Model 870 shotgun with Hogue Tamer pistol grip and vertical foregrip - 12 gauge]] | |||
===Non-Gun Variants=== | |||
[[Image:Non-Gun-Shotgun-Pistol-Grip-Black.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington Model 870 "Non Gun" (long barrel).]] | |||
[[Image:Non-Gun-Shotgun-Full-Wood.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington Model 870 "Non Gun" (full sized wooden stock).]] | |||
=Discussion= | =Discussion= | ||
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1969 production, general refits around the mid '80s (the DoD ordered new bayo mounts around this time)for the Mk1. The MCS kit was introduced around 2004 IIRC.--[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] ([[User talk:Ranger01|talk]]) | 1969 production, general refits around the mid '80s (the DoD ordered new bayo mounts around this time)for the Mk1. The MCS kit was introduced around 2004 IIRC.--[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] ([[User talk:Ranger01|talk]]) | ||
How is Field Gun different from Wingmaster, and did it exist as a separate grade in general? The current Remington catalog lists them simply as "Express." --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 10:17, 4 December 2019 (EST) | |||
:I will raise this question again. Field Gun primarily refers to long-barreled guns (hence the name), to call a short gun with a vent rib "field gun" is ridiculous. Slugster is also quite speculative, as it just might be a smooth barrel with rifle sights. In short, I do not see the point in these categories, otherwise we must then do a separate one for everyone, including trenchguns and etc. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:41, 16 April 2020 (EDT) | |||
==Make Less Lethal section?== | |||
The uses of the green furniture variant picture show its appeared in at least 8 separate TV shows. Given how distinctive the appearance is and how unusual it is to people unfamiliar with law enforcement tactics, it seems worth a section. I tried, but gave up when trying to format the table. Here's a description I wrote <br> | |||
Due to the extreme dangers of mixing-up normal and "less-lethal" ammo, many (if most) police departments designate specific shotguns to be used '''only''' with less-lethal ammo. These shotguns are typically marked with brightly colored furniture or paint. As the 870 is by far the most commonly used shotgun among United States law enforcement, these variants regularly appear in the hands of fictional law-enforcement. | |||
--[[User:VladVladson|VladVladson]] ([[User talk:VladVladson|talk]]) 02:28, 22 April 2021 (EDT) | |||
:The issue with that is that that logic could apply to just about any shotgun barring autoloaders. Yes, the 870 is more common than most in this role, but that's mostly just because the 870 is one of the most common pump-action shotguns in existence - plenty of different pump-action shotguns have been, are, and will be used by police departments as less-lethal weapons (especially if you apply a rather loose definition of "less-lethal" - some early riot control officers would just fire birdshot at the ground to ricochet it into people's legs, IIRC). It'd be a slippery slope of Antarctic proportions - you'd essentially be opening the door to any shotgun that anyone could think of, because one or two movies featured someone firing rock salt out of one. I understand that that isn't the intention, but establishing any sort of precedent like that just isn't a very good idea - if we start categorizing guns based on what they ''can'' do with specific types of ammo, rather than what they generally/normally are, we're going to have a very large mess on our hands - for example, every single 40x46mm grenade launcher would now be a shotgun because you can fire M576 buckshot out of it, and also a less-lethal weapon because you can fire tear gas out of it, and so on. The less-lethal category is best reserved for dedicated/exclusively less-lethal weaponry. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 07:42, 22 April 2021 (EDT) | |||
::I'm pretty sure he means just having a section for the less-lethal 870 on the page (based on multiple show appearances), not a whole new category. As for formatting the table, just copy one from another section and edit + preview it until you get it right.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 10:03, 22 April 2021 (EDT) | |||
:::Correct. I was proposing a section like Remington 870 Slug Gun currently has. The normal tables aren't too bad, but trying to figure how the formatting for multiple characters/episodes had me stumped. --[[User:VladVladson|VladVladson]] ([[User talk:VladVladson|talk]]) 23:12, 22 April 2021 (EDT) | |||
::::My bad, I didn't realize that that was what you were talking about - in my defense, I'd just woken up. In that case, go right on ahead; like AgentGumby said, the solution to something you don't understand how to do (especially with regards to table formatting) is just to find another instance of that bit of formatting, and cargo-cult carbon-copy it, filling in new info as needed. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 23:21, 22 April 2021 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 09:50, 16 May 2023
Additional Images
Screen Used
Additional Variants
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Detachable Magazine Variants
Airsoft Variants
Photoshopped Variants
Non-Gun Variants
Discussion
Remington wingmaster
Should we have a section for the Remington wingmaster?Oliveira 20:15, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Images
I'm removing some of the images on this page because it's starting to get ridiculous how users are adding so many images to this page, especially when they are images that don't need to be here, or are very low quality. I'm sorry if I removed anyone's images, but this page is starting to become a cluttered mess, plus if one image was added in the Remington 870 section, it would have went into the Slug Gun section.--Alienqueen11 18:31, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Please stop putting the different tipes of guns on the main page.--Dillinger 20:14, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Can a Remington 870 be modified to accept a detachable box magazine?
I saw an airsoft gun the other day modeled after a Remington 870 with a receiver cover with picatinny rails, an M4 pistol grip, a telescoping stock, and a detatchable box magazine. Now I know it probably had the magazine just because it would work a lot better for an airsoft gun, but it got me thinking, can an 870 be adjusted to accept a box magazine?
- It could be based on the Valtro shotgun (which kind of looks like a Remington 870) or it might be able to be modified that way. For instance, there are pictures showing the Mossberg 500 can accept mags, so maybe it can. Not sure:
http://www.dreadgazebo.com/gunporn/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/sidewinder.jpg
Nah I'm pretty sure it wasn't a Valtro. Thanks for the Mossberg pic. That's One Angry Duck 16:22, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- Could the weapon you are looking for be a pump action HAWK Tactical shotgun?Rockwolf66 04:28, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Those airsoft ones only have the box magazines as the little plastic pellets don't work well in shells, and I'd expect for something reusable, that a non ejecting, higher capacity magazine would be more efficient than having to catch shells and re load them. As for the real one, I have never seen one. Maybe some vague conversion, but I have only seen 870's tube fed.--Fnlover 00:48, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Airsoft shotgun shells are re-usable, most of them aren't shell ejecting either. The spring shotgun shells are fantastic, you get 10 shots out of them as they fire 3 shots at the same time on the tri-shot versions. Having a magazine loaded one is just to make it cheaper to manufacture. --cool-breeze 02:35, 12 January 2012 (CST)
Well the Chinese make a Remington 870 Knockoff that does take fiver round magazines. They can't be imported to the US but they are available in Canada with barrel lenghts between 12.5 and 18.5 inches. Rockwolf66 (talk) 17:32, 18 November 2012 (EST)
- Chinese shotguns are exempt from the ban, but must still comply with SBS laws. The Dominion Arms Grizzly is available with barrels as short as 8.5" in Canada (manual action rifles and shotguns can have any factory-length barrel so long as the overall length is at least 26"). They also made an 1100 with a four round detachable box magazine. --Maxman (talk) 23:34, 8 July 2016 (EDT)
Custom 870
Is there still no ID Image of this configuration? The 870 looks sweet with the heat shield and bayonet mount! I also realised this gun has no stock whereas Terminator 3 does.- 89.241.9.74
- We have one image with the heat shield and another with the bayonet mount. So I used those two images. One with a full stock was also used in Natural Born Killers. Not that I would ever run around with a bayonet on mine, I would love to configure one of my 870's with the heat shield and bayonet mount. It looks so tough and rugged. But I think those bayonet mounts are hard to find.--Predator20 17:29, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
There is no 'off the shelf' configuration for this item. The heat-shield would come and go, but the bayonet lug was standard on a lot of old Army/Navy 870's. If you search 'Navy 870 bayonet lug', you will probably find a little info. You can find them for sale on some of the larger 'gun exchange' site, but they're up around $250 now. A shame. --Gwhysow 22:31, 11 January 2012 (CST)
It's either a mid 80's refit of a USMC gun that's had the Air Force heat shield added on, or a gun modified with the Air Force/ USMC Refit/ Police bayonet mount/ barrel band and a heat shield. In the mid '80s refit of the Mk 1s the DoD replaced the 21" Imp Cyl Rifle sighted barrel with a non iron sight barrel, and replaced the blade sight bayonet mount/ barrel band with a bead sight model. The gun can be differentiated from the Air Force issued models due to it having a 21" Marine Corps barrel vs the 20" barrel that the Air Force specified (20" barrels are flush with the front of the mount.--Ranger01 (talk)
Witness Protection?
Why is the sawn-off version of the 870 called that?
First off sign your posts.
The model with the "dogbone" pistol grip and the 12 inch barrel was origionally created by Wilson Arms for the US Marshals service for their witness protection teams. Since then Remington shotguns in that configuration have been called "Witness protection" models. Rockwolf66 (talk) 17:29, 18 November 2012 (EST)
Magazine Tubes
Is there a difference between an "extended" magazine tube and a "high capacity" magazine tube, or are they different terms for the same feature? - User: 2wingo
- I believe they're the same thing. Normal capacity on an 870 is 4+1. --Funkychinaman (talk) 01:17, 15 December 2012 (EST)
- And what is the capacity for the extended magazine? Is it 7+1 or 8+1? (or both are possible?) --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 04:35, 31 August 2013 (EDT)
- Hi there...usually we just talk about "magazine tube extensions", but especially Mossberg like to use the term "high capacity" for the same parts; then the confusion is perfect! Otherwise the term "high capacity" is used too to describe larger magazine types like the Beta C-Mag or related systems (Drum-, Pan- and Helical-Magazines). There are also larger box-magazines for M4/M16/AR-15 variants from Surefire, 60-& 100rds...Surefire called them "High Capacity Magazines" too! There are several tubes with different capacities for shotguns. It goes from 1 to 9 (Benelli); it just depends of the barrel length. --Biskaya (talk) 17:18, 3 March 2015 (EST)
Remington 870 MCS
The original Remington 870 was produced in 1951, but in what year was the MCS variant produced? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 04:35, 31 August 2013 (EDT)
1969 production, general refits around the mid '80s (the DoD ordered new bayo mounts around this time)for the Mk1. The MCS kit was introduced around 2004 IIRC.--Ranger01 (talk)
How is Field Gun different from Wingmaster, and did it exist as a separate grade in general? The current Remington catalog lists them simply as "Express." --Slon95 (talk) 10:17, 4 December 2019 (EST)
- I will raise this question again. Field Gun primarily refers to long-barreled guns (hence the name), to call a short gun with a vent rib "field gun" is ridiculous. Slugster is also quite speculative, as it just might be a smooth barrel with rifle sights. In short, I do not see the point in these categories, otherwise we must then do a separate one for everyone, including trenchguns and etc. --Slon95 (talk) 14:41, 16 April 2020 (EDT)
Make Less Lethal section?
The uses of the green furniture variant picture show its appeared in at least 8 separate TV shows. Given how distinctive the appearance is and how unusual it is to people unfamiliar with law enforcement tactics, it seems worth a section. I tried, but gave up when trying to format the table. Here's a description I wrote
Due to the extreme dangers of mixing-up normal and "less-lethal" ammo, many (if most) police departments designate specific shotguns to be used only with less-lethal ammo. These shotguns are typically marked with brightly colored furniture or paint. As the 870 is by far the most commonly used shotgun among United States law enforcement, these variants regularly appear in the hands of fictional law-enforcement.
--VladVladson (talk) 02:28, 22 April 2021 (EDT)
- The issue with that is that that logic could apply to just about any shotgun barring autoloaders. Yes, the 870 is more common than most in this role, but that's mostly just because the 870 is one of the most common pump-action shotguns in existence - plenty of different pump-action shotguns have been, are, and will be used by police departments as less-lethal weapons (especially if you apply a rather loose definition of "less-lethal" - some early riot control officers would just fire birdshot at the ground to ricochet it into people's legs, IIRC). It'd be a slippery slope of Antarctic proportions - you'd essentially be opening the door to any shotgun that anyone could think of, because one or two movies featured someone firing rock salt out of one. I understand that that isn't the intention, but establishing any sort of precedent like that just isn't a very good idea - if we start categorizing guns based on what they can do with specific types of ammo, rather than what they generally/normally are, we're going to have a very large mess on our hands - for example, every single 40x46mm grenade launcher would now be a shotgun because you can fire M576 buckshot out of it, and also a less-lethal weapon because you can fire tear gas out of it, and so on. The less-lethal category is best reserved for dedicated/exclusively less-lethal weaponry. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 07:42, 22 April 2021 (EDT)
- I'm pretty sure he means just having a section for the less-lethal 870 on the page (based on multiple show appearances), not a whole new category. As for formatting the table, just copy one from another section and edit + preview it until you get it right.--AgentGumby (talk) 10:03, 22 April 2021 (EDT)
- Correct. I was proposing a section like Remington 870 Slug Gun currently has. The normal tables aren't too bad, but trying to figure how the formatting for multiple characters/episodes had me stumped. --VladVladson (talk) 23:12, 22 April 2021 (EDT)
- My bad, I didn't realize that that was what you were talking about - in my defense, I'd just woken up. In that case, go right on ahead; like AgentGumby said, the solution to something you don't understand how to do (especially with regards to table formatting) is just to find another instance of that bit of formatting, and cargo-cult carbon-copy it, filling in new info as needed. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 23:21, 22 April 2021 (EDT)
- Correct. I was proposing a section like Remington 870 Slug Gun currently has. The normal tables aren't too bad, but trying to figure how the formatting for multiple characters/episodes had me stumped. --VladVladson (talk) 23:12, 22 April 2021 (EDT)
- I'm pretty sure he means just having a section for the less-lethal 870 on the page (based on multiple show appearances), not a whole new category. As for formatting the table, just copy one from another section and edit + preview it until you get it right.--AgentGumby (talk) 10:03, 22 April 2021 (EDT)