Talk:The Fate of the Furious: Difference between revisions
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Talk:The Fate of the Furious: Difference between revisions
:UPDATE: here's the weapons used on set. Xtreme Props said that they used Yugo and Century Arms AKs outfitted with Magpul PMAGs, and indeed mentioned the MOE handguards and Zhukov stocks. I can tell that the two rifles at the bottom are actually Zastava M92s, and not AKMSUs as the page used to state, notably due to the length of the handguard (the AKMSU –likely a Yugoslavian one– does appear in the movie though, as seen in one of the screencaps). The second rifle and the third one's gotta be the Zastava M70B1 and M70AB2, respectively. Now the one at the top: if that's the Century Arms AK, which variant is it exactly? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 16:44, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
:UPDATE: here are the weapons used on set. Xtreme Props said that they used Yugo and Century Arms AKs outfitted with Magpul PMAGs, and indeed mentioned the MOE handguards and Zhukov stocks. I can tell that the two rifles at the bottom are actually Zastava M92s, and not AKMSUs as the page used to state, notably due to the length of the handguard (the AKMSU does appear in the movie though, as seen in one of the screencaps). The second rifle and the third one's gotta be the Zastava M70B1 and M70AB2, respectively. Now the one at the top: if that's the Century Arms AK, which variant is it exactly? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 16:44, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
::Don't know about the top one, but the second one isn't a Zastava, as it has the regular handguard, doesn't use the RPK style receiver and has the narrow front sight, so I would just class this one as an AKM. Similarly, for the sake of categorisation, I would just call the top one an AKM and ID the furniture. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:07, 4 August 2017 (EDT)
::Don't know about the top one, but the second one isn't a Zastava, as it has the regular handguard, doesn't use the RPK style receiver and has the narrow front sight, so I would just class this one as an AKM. Similarly, for the sake of categorisation, I would just call the top one an AKM and ID the furniture. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:07, 4 August 2017 (EDT)
:::Yeah, I was just gonna edit my comment and say that it isn't a Zastava due to the front sight, handguard, gas block, etc. It does match the AKM the most, but I was trying to look up what else it could be, since they said Yugo and Century Arms Kalashnikovs. By looking up the latter two, I didn't find yet an exact match to the second rifle (so obviously neither to the first). Should we go for AKMs regarding both rifles? (the second rifle has a different front sight, though, more akin to that of the Romanian AKM or something) Btw I updated the image above to a higher-res one; and here's another one:
:::Yeah, I was just gonna edit my comment and say that it isn't a Zastava due to the front sight, handguard, gas block, etc. It does match the AKM the most, but I was trying to look up what else it could be, since they said Yugo and Century Arms Kalashnikovs. By looking up the latter two, I didn't find yet an exact match to the second rifle (so obviously neither to the first). Are you sure that we should we go for AKMs regarding both rifles? Thing is, the second rifle has a different front sight. Btw I updated the image above to a higher-res one; and here's another one:
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:::--[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:24, 4 August 2017 (EDT)
:::--[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:24, 4 August 2017 (EDT)
::::The 1st and 2nd rifle seem to have the same front sight to me (maybe the cutout is slightly different shaped, but this may be the angle and it is also something that differs with when and where the rifle was made anyway), what do you think is different about them? All of the features match an AKM, so I have no problem with calling them that. Bear in mind, Century Arms is mainly an importer, so something can be called a "Century Arms AK" and is actually just an AK that has been imported or built up from imported parts. They do build their own 100% domestic AKs now (RAS 47), but these look different having a weird combination of a stamped AKM style receiver but with AK-47 type wide front sight and perforated gas tube so we can rule out these rifles being RAS 47s. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 14:42, 4 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::The cutout is clearly more rounded on the second one. But if it's just about when/where and nothing else, then alright, we'll go with it. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 15:51, 4 August 2017 (EDT)
::::::I think that the Romanian front sight tend to have a particularly round hole so it might be that, but without further proof it is best to just refer to them as AKMs. For reference, [https://www.mississippiautoarms.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/k/akfrontsight_1.jpg here] is a pile of Romanian AKM front sights and you will see the variation that there is between different ones. In some cases I would guess that they just milled them out by eye. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:06, 4 August 2017 (EDT)
While we're at it, during the "Number 11, my ass!" part, one of the pursuers uses a different AK carbine from the others. Here's an image in addition to the two that are on the page:
[[File:FF8 816.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
The weapon is only seen from such long distances; for now I've listed it as an AKS-74U, but I wouldn't eliminate the possibility of it being something else (such as custom Zastava M85, maybe). --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 18:45, 22 August 2017 (EDT)
==9mm Major?==
So, how do you chambered a handgun in 9mm major and why would you do it for a movie? 9mm Major is just regular 9x19 with way more powder than recommended. And is there some special reason for a movie about car-driving superheroes is full of mall ninja pistols?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 18:15, 3 January 2018 (EST)
:Is there a source for this claim about it being loaded to 9mm Major? Is it said in the dialogue or something? If not, the term 9mm Major is meaningless for a blank fire handgun, as the only definition is that it has a power factor (bullet weight multiplied by velocity) of over 165 to get into the "Major" division of some shooting sports. As there is no bullet, the round has a power factor of zero. As a general rule, I believe that blanks have way more powder than standard SAAMI spec round anyway in order to create a big flash and to make cycling more reliable so if you are just going by the amount of powder being the same as a 9mm Major, then a lot of movies have that. As for why all the Mall-Ninja guns, so they look cool to the general audience. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:36, 3 January 2018 (EST)
::The 9mm Major is stated [http://www.instagram.com/p/BTAZMopAqx2/ here]. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:26, 4 January 2018 (EST)
:::So, the gun isn't really 9mm major and they're throwing words out to look impressive? Also, I'd have slightly less issue with the mall ninja pistols if Taran Tactical wasn't catering to idiots with more money than brains. I mean, they actually call those upgrade packages "Fast 8" and "John Wick" like they're proud to associate competition shooting with well-dressed murderers. And we've all complained about the terrible weapon choices from Wick 2.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 12:41, 5 January 2018 (EST)
::::Well, it could sort of be 9mm Major. You have guns built that have 9mm Major in mind with stuff like heavier springs, a fully supported chamber, and the rifling cut back a bit to allow you to load your cases a little longer. None of these are necessarily 100% needed to shoot 9mm Major though, they are just a very good idea. Regardless, the cartridge is still a 9x19mm Parabellum, although it is out of SAAMI spec on pressure and can be loaded (although no necessarily) to a longer overall length. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:56, 5 January 2018 (EST)
:::::I suppose? Its utterly pointless, but then supposedly the amourer for [[Sniper (1993)|Sniper]] made sure the Remington 700s got all the work necessary to make them actual M40s, despite the fact that it didn't matter as its all blanks anyways--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 18:31, 5 January 2018 (EST)
Erm..I...Hm...I see the stock of a SCAR, the barrel of a AKS-74U...wow, talk about ugly.--SeanWolf (talk) 11:54, 12 December 2016 (EST)
That looks like a modified AKS-74U. The handguard and magazine looks like they're made by magpul. And i gotta say, the name of this movie is just painfully dumb.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 12:33, 12 December 2016 (EST)
Ditto, this makes it almost seem like a different film of the franchise; why didn't they simply stick to "Fast 8" or whatever. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 05:38, 13 December 2016 (EST)
I think it's an AKMSU with Magpul Zhukov stock and a Magpul MOE handguard - an attempt to make it look like a modernized Russian AK based on who is firing the weapon. --Markit (talk) 13:26, 12 December 2016 (EST)
I'd lean more to a modded 74 than an older AK, looks to be a 5.45 mag. StanTheMan (talk) 14:08, 12 December 2016 (EST)
It's a 7.62x39mm mag, as seen from a side angle; I'll upload a screencap regarding this later. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 14:36, 12 December 2016 (EST)
Moving it here for now, because it isn't an M4A1. It's a shorter carbine (source) with a drum magazine, likely an X Products X-15 50-rounder. Here we also see Tyrese with a Glock 17. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 10:04, 10 March 2017 (EST)
So, why does Taran keep sticking scopes on shorty CQB guns? Their AR-15 in John Wick 2 had a scope on it as well. Also, why the sudden explosion of custom AR-15 makers?--Mandolin (talk) 00:01, 21 April 2017 (EDT)
A lot of those scopes are 1-6x power (speaking specifically about the Trijicon used on the TTI AR seen in JW2), so they are used in various shooting competitions due to the versatility of having a scope that can be used in close and long ranges. --Aidoru (talk) 02:11, 21 April 2017 (EDT)
This could be the result of the "gun culture" becoming more widespread into media. Guns in movies used to be standard looking weapons and any custom gun is either a hero gun only the main character uses or a prop designed for the setting. I think this is good for the PR of customization that's becoming more widespread. The idea that we should be seeing guns that are slightly different from factory stock guns Excalibur01 (talk) 09:41, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
Seeing decked out (beyond the usual reddot/foregrip setup) guns in movies is always fun. BTW, found this on TTI's instagram.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 12:48, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
I think Mr Nobody presented this to Hobbs at the end of the movie Excalibur01 (talk) 18:09, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
Guns I saw in the movie
Well I saw a AKMSU used by Russian diplomats to shoot Dominic's shield,LTL Mossbergs XREP with ORANGE forniture, a Salient Arms (can be reconized by the yellow) M1911-style gun used by Shawn on the (very beautiful but that is just my personal opinion) Cypher'(Sharline Steron) s plane, various Kalashes, a vz,58 in Vladivov base used by a Chechen(?) separitist,a M2 on the Ripsaw (one of the charaters id it as a M153 CROWS),a SR-25 ECC-style rifle used by Connor in Russia.
I was in cinema, (watched the Original Voice version; not Italian dubbed so I m 100% of M153) so I can't make photo but I m pretty sure of the IDs (yeah I made them generic on pourpose for avoiding errors by my side).--Dannyguns (talk) 03:38, 18 April 2017 (EDT)
Fairly certain that Connor uses a LaRue Tactical OBR 5.56, specifically the new PredatAR. Rail covers are very distinct. He also used a suppressed Glock 19 briefly. Two Kimber 1911s are used, one is a tan-frame Warrior with threaded barrel and Surefire 310R flashlight. The other was black, looked like it could've been the SIS, not sure though. A Salient Arms Glock, looked like the 17, was used on the plane as well. Spotted what looked like a couple of two-tone Smith & Wesson M&Ps in the finale, could've been mistaken. The shotguns in the prison scene were fitted with orange Mapgul MOE furniture and fired rubber bullets. --LordOfTheLocusts (talk) 01:35, 19 April 2017 (EDT)
I'm pretty sure the 1911 used by Statham's character on board the airplane was some sort of SVI, a fact further corroborated by SVI's webssite touting their "Fate of the Furious" debut. At the very end, there is also a very prominent display of a Taran Tactical Glock presented to The Rock's character.-Aidoru (talk) 04:16, 19 April 2017 (EDT)
Tej indeed identified the mount system as an M153 CROWS, but it actually mounts an M3M/GAU-21 as currently stated on the page, not an M2. Is that a blank adaptor inside the muzzle brake? (there's an image of the weapon in idle on the main page) --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 19:33, 2 May 2017 (EDT)
Firstly, I don't think that this gun is actually an M3M, I think that it is an M2 Aircraft that has been mocked up to resemble an M3M as if you look at photos of the vehicle (such as this one, or the 1st cap on the main page for that matter) you can see that the MG has the regular buffer rather than the larger one from the M3M. As for the flash hider, I think that it is a custom machined mock up, as if nothing else the real one has 5 tines rather than 4 as seen here. I think that this could be the exact same machine gun used in G.I. Joe: Retaliation, also coincidentally mounted on top of a Ripsaw, with the carry handle removed and fitted into a CROWS type mount. --commando552 (talk) 12:44, 3 May 2017 (EDT)
Fair enough. Btw IMDB states that the MG's fired rounds are crimped at the end and thus blanks; the section in that site is obviously not the best reference since some statements are incorrect, but still. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 17:14, 3 May 2017 (EDT)
Can confirm, the ejected brass is crimped blanks (not that we expected anything else)--Mandolin (talk) 19:57, 3 May 2017 (EDT)
Gotta say, funny how it's the only Fast & Furious movie where Dom doesn't use a shotgun (bar his cameo in F3) and where Hobbs doesn't use his signature 629 Competitor Performance Center. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 06:14, 18 July 2017 (EDT)
It's only briefly seen; can't discern much of it besides being a full-sized AK in 7.62x39mm with an AK-74/AK-100 series flash hider and a Magpul Zhukov buttstock. I wouldn't directly say it's an AK-103, but it's one of the possibilities. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 18:42, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
UPDATE: here are the weapons used on set. Xtreme Props said that they used Yugo and Century Arms AKs outfitted with Magpul PMAGs, and indeed mentioned the MOE handguards and Zhukov stocks. I can tell that the two rifles at the bottom are actually Zastava M92s, and not AKMSUs as the page used to state, notably due to the length of the handguard (the AKMSU does appear in the movie though, as seen in one of the screencaps). The second rifle and the third one's gotta be the Zastava M70B1 and M70AB2, respectively. Now the one at the top: if that's the Century Arms AK, which variant is it exactly? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 16:44, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
Don't know about the top one, but the second one isn't a Zastava, as it has the regular handguard, doesn't use the RPK style receiver and has the narrow front sight, so I would just class this one as an AKM. Similarly, for the sake of categorisation, I would just call the top one an AKM and ID the furniture. --commando552 (talk) 07:07, 4 August 2017 (EDT)
Yeah, I was just gonna edit my comment and say that it isn't a Zastava due to the front sight, handguard, gas block, etc. It does match the AKM the most, but I was trying to look up what else it could be, since they said Yugo and Century Arms Kalashnikovs. By looking up the latter two, I didn't find yet an exact match to the second rifle (so obviously neither to the first). Are you sure that we should we go for AKMs regarding both rifles? Thing is, the second rifle has a different front sight. Btw I updated the image above to a higher-res one; and here's another one:
The 1st and 2nd rifle seem to have the same front sight to me (maybe the cutout is slightly different shaped, but this may be the angle and it is also something that differs with when and where the rifle was made anyway), what do you think is different about them? All of the features match an AKM, so I have no problem with calling them that. Bear in mind, Century Arms is mainly an importer, so something can be called a "Century Arms AK" and is actually just an AK that has been imported or built up from imported parts. They do build their own 100% domestic AKs now (RAS 47), but these look different having a weird combination of a stamped AKM style receiver but with AK-47 type wide front sight and perforated gas tube so we can rule out these rifles being RAS 47s. --commando552 (talk) 14:42, 4 August 2017 (EDT)
The cutout is clearly more rounded on the second one. But if it's just about when/where and nothing else, then alright, we'll go with it. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 15:51, 4 August 2017 (EDT)
I think that the Romanian front sight tend to have a particularly round hole so it might be that, but without further proof it is best to just refer to them as AKMs. For reference, here is a pile of Romanian AKM front sights and you will see the variation that there is between different ones. In some cases I would guess that they just milled them out by eye. --commando552 (talk) 16:06, 4 August 2017 (EDT)
While we're at it, during the "Number 11, my ass!" part, one of the pursuers uses a different AK carbine from the others. Here's an image in addition to the two that are on the page:
The weapon is only seen from such long distances; for now I've listed it as an AKS-74U, but I wouldn't eliminate the possibility of it being something else (such as custom Zastava M85, maybe). --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 18:45, 22 August 2017 (EDT)
9mm Major?
So, how do you chambered a handgun in 9mm major and why would you do it for a movie? 9mm Major is just regular 9x19 with way more powder than recommended. And is there some special reason for a movie about car-driving superheroes is full of mall ninja pistols?--Mandolin (talk) 18:15, 3 January 2018 (EST)
Is there a source for this claim about it being loaded to 9mm Major? Is it said in the dialogue or something? If not, the term 9mm Major is meaningless for a blank fire handgun, as the only definition is that it has a power factor (bullet weight multiplied by velocity) of over 165 to get into the "Major" division of some shooting sports. As there is no bullet, the round has a power factor of zero. As a general rule, I believe that blanks have way more powder than standard SAAMI spec round anyway in order to create a big flash and to make cycling more reliable so if you are just going by the amount of powder being the same as a 9mm Major, then a lot of movies have that. As for why all the Mall-Ninja guns, so they look cool to the general audience. --commando552 (talk) 18:36, 3 January 2018 (EST)
So, the gun isn't really 9mm major and they're throwing words out to look impressive? Also, I'd have slightly less issue with the mall ninja pistols if Taran Tactical wasn't catering to idiots with more money than brains. I mean, they actually call those upgrade packages "Fast 8" and "John Wick" like they're proud to associate competition shooting with well-dressed murderers. And we've all complained about the terrible weapon choices from Wick 2.--Mandolin (talk) 12:41, 5 January 2018 (EST)
Well, it could sort of be 9mm Major. You have guns built that have 9mm Major in mind with stuff like heavier springs, a fully supported chamber, and the rifling cut back a bit to allow you to load your cases a little longer. None of these are necessarily 100% needed to shoot 9mm Major though, they are just a very good idea. Regardless, the cartridge is still a 9x19mm Parabellum, although it is out of SAAMI spec on pressure and can be loaded (although no necessarily) to a longer overall length. --commando552 (talk) 12:56, 5 January 2018 (EST)
I suppose? Its utterly pointless, but then supposedly the amourer for Sniper made sure the Remington 700s got all the work necessary to make them actual M40s, despite the fact that it didn't matter as its all blanks anyways--Mandolin (talk) 18:31, 5 January 2018 (EST)
