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We Were Soldiers (2002)

We Were Soldiers is a 2002 Vietnam War film based on the book We Were Soldiers Once... And Young by Lieutenant General Hal Moore, US Army (ret.) and former UPI reporter Joe Galloway that chronicled the first major battle between the United States Army and the People's Army of Vietnam in the Ia Drang Valley in the Central Highlands of Vietnam. Gen. Moore, in the documentary seen on the DVD, states that this film is the only one which gets "[the Vietnam War] right". The film was directed by Randall Wallace (The Man in the Iron Mask) and stars Mel Gibson, Barry Pepper, and Sam Elliott.

The following weapons were used in the film We Were Soldiers:

Rifles / Carbines

XM16E1

The XM16E1 assault rifles are used by the soldiers of the 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry Regiment, including Lieutenant Colonel Hal Moore (Mel Gibson), First Lieutenant Charlie Hastings (Robert Bagnell), Second Lieutenant Jack Geoghegan (Chris Klein), Sergeant Ernie Savage (Ryan Hurst) and most US Army soldiers. Later on the film during the Battle of Landing Zone X-Ray, Joe Galloway (Barry Pepper) uses one as well. Many rifles used in this film were not actual XM16E1s. The historical XM16E1s had only a partial magazine fence. Many rifles were actually M16A1s mocked up to look like XM16E1s, modified with chromed bolt carriers and three-prong flash-hiders. Apparently there were a few original receiver marked XM16E1s in the mix.

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+'''''We Were Soldiers''''' is a 2002 Vietnam War film based on the book ''We Were Soldiers Once... And Young'' by Lieutenant General Hal Moore, US Army (ret.) and former UPI reporter Joe Galloway that chronicled the first major battle between the United States Army and the People's Army of Vietnam in the Ia Drang Valley in the Central Highlands of Vietnam. Gen. Moore, in the documentary seen on the DVD, states that this film is the only one which gets "[the Vietnam War] right". The film was directed by Randall Wallace (''[[The Man in the Iron Mask]]'') and stars [[Mel Gibson]], [[Barry Pepper]], and [[Sam Elliott]].
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+=Rifles / Carbines=
+==XM16E1==
+The [[M16 rifle series#XM16E1 Rifle|XM16E1 assault rifles]] are used by the soldiers of the 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry Regiment, including Lieutenant Colonel Hal Moore ([[Mel Gibson]]), First Lieutenant Charlie Hastings (Robert Bagnell), Second Lieutenant Jack Geoghegan ([[Chris Klein]]), Sergeant Ernie Savage ([[Ryan Hurst]]) and most US Army soldiers. Later on the film during the Battle of Landing Zone X-Ray, Joe Galloway ([[Barry Pepper]]) uses one as well. Many rifles used in this film were not actual XM16E1s. The historical XM16E1s had only a partial magazine fence. Many rifles were actually [[M16A1]]s mocked up to look like XM16E1s, modified with chromed bolt carriers and three-prong flash-hiders. Apparently there were a few original receiver marked XM16E1s in the mix.
+[[Image:XM16E1 WeWereSoldiers.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Screen-used XM16E1 rifle (Hero Gun) carried and used by [[Mel Gibson]] in the film - 5.56x45mm. This rifle was built from an M16A1 and modified with a chromed bolt carrier and 2nd pattern three prong flash-hider.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-82003.jpg|thumb|none|600px|LTC Hal Moore ([[Mel Gibson]]) lands on LZ X-Ray while carrying his XM16E1.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-83195.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore and another soldier can be seen carrying XM16E1s during the Battle of LZ X-Ray.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-92270.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SGT Ernie Savage ([[Ryan Hurst]]) and his men engage the enemy with their XM16E1s.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-91374.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Robert Ouellette (Josh Daugherty) holds his XM16E1.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-95915.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US Army Private fires his XM16E1 from Crandall's Huey helicopter.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-132650.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Joe Galloway ([[Barry Pepper]]) with his XM16E1 at the ready. Note that Galloway actually landed in the LZ with a rifle, as opposed to being handed one in the heat of battle.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-131762.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two wounded US Army Specialists with their XM16E1s at the ready.]]
+[[Image:WWS027.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore ([[Mel Gibson]]) opens fire with his XM16E1 during the final bayonet charge. In reality, this last-ditch assault on the Vietnamese reserve at LZ X-Ray did not happen; there was no heroic final charge in the battle, nor were the North Vietnamese Forces destroyed as in the film. In fact, combat continued at a neighboring landing zone where an entire US battalion was ambushed and virtually annihilated. Director Randall Wallace mentions this inaccuracy in the DVD commentary.]]
+==M16==
+Supplementing the large number of XM16E1 rifles built for the production by Cinema Weaponry are some slab side [[M16 rifle series#M16 Rifle|M16 rifles]] (or unaltered Colt SP1 rifles, which look the same). On the left of the stack (in the image) is a slab sided rifle with no forward assist on the upper receiver or magazine fencing on the lower receiver.
+[[Image:M16-SP1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Original M16 - 5.56x45mm]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-106476.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A stack of XM16s from the battle. Visible are unaltered M16/SP1 slab sided rifles.]]
+==M1 Carbine==
+A Korean War-era [[M1 Carbine]] is carried by the ARVN (Army of the Republic of Vietnam, the formal title of South Vietnam) interpreter dressed in tiger stripe fatigues. He appears in the scene in which the NVA scout is captured and interrogated. Viet Minh soldiers also use M1 Carbines against the French army during the intro.
+[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|M1 Carbine with bayonet lug and adjustable rear sight - .30 Carbine]]
+[[Image:WWS M1Carbine02a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier points an M1 Carbine at a French soldier.]]
+[[Image:WWS-M1CarbineHeloA.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|The South Vietnamese interpreter lands on the Ia Drang Valley with his M1 Carbine.]]
+[[Image:WWS-M1CarbineARVN01a.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|An NVA scout is apprehended. The ARVN translator points his M1 Carbine at the enemy soldier.]]
+[[Image:WWS-M1CarbineARVN03a.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|The South Vietnamese interpreter wielding an M1 Carbine interrogates the NVA soldier. Note that it is not an M2 Carbine due to the lack of a selector switch.]]
+[[Image:WWS-M1CarbineARVN04a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The South Vietnamese interpreter points his M1 Carbine at the captured NVA soldier. Note the bayonet lug.]]
+==AK-47==
+In the film, the NVA (North Vietnamese Army) aka the PAVN (People's Army of Vietnam) used [[AK-47]]s with milled receivers. As per the actual battle, we also see several Viet Cong units carrying the same rifle. Real Soviet AK-47s were impossible to get in the U.S. for many years. After the fall of communism, milled receiver AK-47 parts kits were available on the market, and authentic AK-47s were built for the film (using American-made milled receivers by using the proper markings) and the original Soviet built parts. The AK-47s used in the film were built by legendary film armorer [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0660143/ Mike Papac].
+[[Image:AK47WeWereSoldiersHeroGun.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Actual screen-used AK-47 from the film ''We Were Soldiers'' (built by Cinema Weaponry) - 7.62x39mm. The armorers ran out of time before they could fully finish the finish on the wood forearm, pistol grips and stocks for the film.]]
+[[Image:WWS AK47Hilla.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|NVA soldiers fire their AK-47s.]]
+[[Image:WWS-AK47NightA.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|An NVA soldier moves in the dark with an AK-47.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-128779.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A PAVN (People's Army of Vietnam) soldier reloads his AK-47.]]
+[[Image:Pavn.ak-47.bayonet.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same scared PAVN soldier rushes through the jungle and tries to bayonet LTC Moore.]]
+[[Image:pavn.soldier.shot.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same PAVN soldier gets hit in the head by a single round from Moore's XM16E1. Note the milled receiver.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-158010.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A pile of AK-47s.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-106465.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of the receiver of the AK-47 carried by an NVA soldier who gets killed by the charging Americans. Note how the safety is on.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-158182.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An NVA soldier aims his AK-47 at the US Army soldiers when they charge on the NVA position.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-113810.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An NVA soldier gets killed by the Huey helicopters and their M134 Miniguns.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-114077.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same NVA soldier from the above image gets thrown across a wagon.]]
+==MAS-36==
+In the opening scene where a French convoy is ambushed during the First Indochina War, various French soldiers use [[MAS-36]] rifles.
+[[Image:MAS36.jpg|thumb|none|450px|MAS-36 - 7.5x54mm French]]
+[[Image:WWS-MASRifle01a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The French convoy gets ambushed.]]
+[[Image:WWS-MAS36Fireball.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Two French soldiers armed with MAS-36 rifles.]]
+[[Image:WWS-MASRifle02a.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Two French soldiers fire their MAS-36 rifles.]]
+[[Image:WWS-MAS36Shot.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A French soldier gets shot while reloading his MAS-36 rifle.]]
+==SKS==
+Several Viet Minh soldiers and NVA soldiers use [[SKS rifle]]s during the intro sequence and during the Battle of Ia Drang.
+[[Image:Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SKS rifle - 7.62x39mm]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-26996.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet Minh soldiers rush the French army in the intro of the film. Note how you can see a Kar98k in the background.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-23999.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier rushes the French army with his SKS rifle.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-25555.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier with his SKS.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-28285.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier before being blown up by a French grenade.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-28497.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier is armed with an SKS rifle.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-49825.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier rushes the French army during the intro.]]
+[[Image:WWS-SKSVietMinh.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier points his SKS at a French soldier.]]
+[[Image:WWS-SKS01a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet Minh officer picks up a French trumpet during the intro.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-77472.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An NVA soldier comes out of an underground base armed with an SKS rifle.]]
+[[Image:Sks.124564367.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An NVA or Viet Cong soldier runs around with his SKS while the Ia Drang Valley burns in the background by the napalm bombs dropped by U.S. Air Force planes.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-99460.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An NVA soldier armed with an SKS creeps through the dark.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-92508.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two NVA soldiers tending after their DShK, which is in reality an American Browning M2HB. The soldier on the left has an SKS. The one on the right has an AK-47 like the rest of the NVA soldiers in the background.]]
+==Mosin Nagant M44==
+During the intro sequence, a Viet Minh soldier can be seen with a [[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine]].
+[[Image:M44Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine - 7.62x54mmR]]
+[[Image:WWS-M44Carbine.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|The Viet Minh soldier in the center has a Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine while another soldier has a Kar98k.]]
+==Karabiner 98k==
+A Viet Minh soldier during the intro sequence and a Viet Cong soldier later on can be seen using [[Karabiner 98k]] rifles. It should be noted that according to one of the armorers of the film, [[User:Phoenixent|Steve Karnes]], the Kar98ks used in the film came from Israel and were chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO.
+[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Karabiner 98k - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
+[[Image:WWS-K98Rifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A Kar98k is carried by one of Viet Minh soldiers.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-70352.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the right, a Viet Cong soldier has a Kar98k.]]
+=Machine Guns=
+==M60==
+The [[M60 machine gun]] is used by several US soldiers. Various door gunners of Huey helicopters use them as well. Specialist 4 Russell Adams (Erik MacArthur) and his assistant gunner Specialist 4 Bill Beck ([[Desmond Harrington]]) also use an M60 in a deleted scene.
+[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M60 machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
+[[Image:WWS-M60FiresA.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|An M60 team lays down fire.]]
+[[Image:WWS-M60FiringRangeA.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|US soldiers train with their M60s.]]
+[[Image:WWS-M60FiringRangeBlanksA.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of the M60 during the training. The filmmakers cleverly lay real 7.62x51mm casings in the foreground, which is a testament for their eye to detail. During filming, however, brass from the expended 'star crimped' blanks unavoidably flies out of the weapon.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-39994.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An FPS view of an M60 firing in training.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-75605.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US soldier can be seen holding an M60 on the left.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-91127.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M60 is seen with the bipod down as the platoon spots an enemy scout.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-102263.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A door gunner gets shot inside the helicopter while holding an M60 machine gun.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-106362.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A door gunner fires the M60.]]
+==Browning M1919A4==
+Two [[Browning M1919A4]]s are mounted on two French jeeps during the intro sequence.
+[[File:M1919A4 pintle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning M1919A4 on an M31C pedestal mount - .30-06]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-23377.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Browning M1919A4 is mounted on the French jeep.]]
+[[Image:WWS-Browning30Cal.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A French soldier fires the Browning M1919A4 at Viet Minh soldiers.]]
+==GE M134 Minigun==
+A pair of [[GE M134 Minigun]]s are seen as part of the M21 Armament Subsystem mounted on the Huey helicopter gunships that rip apart PAVN soldiers in the climax of the film, and another one is also on display on a table near the beginning of the film.
+[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|400px|GE M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-38494.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The AirCav officers admire the M134 Minigun before Moore briefs them on their mission.]]
+[[Image:Armament.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M134 Minigun mounted on M21 Armament Subsystem (which also includes huge M158 rocket launcher) used on Huey gunships.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-114448.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Huey helicopter fires its mounted M134 Minigun.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-117926.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of an M134 Minigun mounted on an UH-1 helicopter, showing the complete M21 Armament Subsystem which includes the aforementioned Minigun as well as pod of 2.75-inch unguided rockets.]]
-== XM16E1==
+==Degtyaryov DP-28==
+In the scene where the soldiers of the 1st Cavalry Division perform a bayonet charge against the NVA position (an event which actually didn't happen in real life), a small crew of PAVN soldiers man a DP-28, a variant of the Soviet [[Degtyaryov DP Series Machine Gun|Degtyaryov light machine gun]].
+[[Image:DP-28.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Degtyaryov DP-28 - 7.62x54mmR]]
+[[Image:WWS-DP28.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|The Degtyaryov DP-28 light machine gun is glimpsed as Moore's troops advance.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-163052.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A DP-28 is seen among the fallen NVA soldiers as the Huey gunship continues to fire.]]
-The [[M16 rifle series#M16 Rifle|XM16E1]] assault rifle are used by the soldiers of the 1st Cavalry Division including Lt. Colonel Hal Moore([[Mel Gibson]]). Later on the film during the Ia Drang battle Joe Galloway ([[Barry Pepper]]) uses one as well. These were actual XM16E1's used on the film for the heroes.
+==RPD==
+During the Battle of Ia Drang, one PAVN soldier can be seen carrying an [[RPD]] light machine gun.
+[[Image:RPD-Light-Machine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|450px|RPD - 7.62x39mm]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-72255.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An NVA soldier carries an RPD.]]
-[[Image:XM16E1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|XM16E1 with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]
+==ZB26==
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-82003.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lt.Colonel Hal Moore ([[Mel Gibson]]) Lands on the Ia Drang Valey.]]
+A [[ZB26 Machine Gun]] is used by a Viet Minh machine gunner during the opening sequence of the film set during the Indochina War. According to Steve Karnes, the film's armorer, the ZB26 used in the film was sold to the Chinese and converted to 7.62x39mm later in its life. It also has Chinese characters on the side of the receiver.
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-83078.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A soldier holds his XM16E1. Note the forward assist. He has pretty crappy stance too. Maybe all the "training" they did that Moore loved so much didn't help.]]
+[[Image:ZB-26.jpg|thumb|none|450px|ZB26 - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-90584.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A specialist holds a XM16E1.]]
+[[Image:WWS-ZB26-01a.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of the ZB26 in the hands of a Viet Minh soldier.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-83195.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lt.Col. Hal Moore and another soldier can be seen carryng XM16E1s during the Battle of Ia Drang.]]
+[[Image:WWS-ZB26 02a.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the same scene.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-92633.jpg|thumb|none|500px||A soldier fires his XM16E1 rifle at NVA soldiers.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-91374.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A radio operator holds a XM16E1.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-92336.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Soldiers run from enemy fire while holding their XM16E1s.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-91319.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A soldier holds a XM16E1 while receiving orders.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-95915.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A United States Army Private fires his XM16E1 from a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UH-1_Iroquois/ UH-1 Iroquois].]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-101337.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lieutenent Colonel Hal Moore([[Mel Gibson]]) with his XM16E1 at the ready.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-96165.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A specialist radio operator holds with his XM16E1 at the ready behind [[Mel Gibson]] and another soldier.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-132650.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Joe Galloway([[Barry Pepper]]) with his XM16E1 at the ready. He has a pretty good grip for someone that is not a soldier.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-99262.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A soldier to left of the screencap with his XM16E1 at the ready.]]
-== M1 Carbine ==
-A Korean war era [[M1 Carbine]] is carried by the South Vietnamese (ARVN) advisor dressed in Tigerstripe fatigues. He appears in the scene in which the NVA scout is caught and interrogated. Viet Minh soldiers also use them against the french during the intro.
+==MG34==
+When the American soldiers charge the NVA position, a two man crew of NVA soldiers man an [[MG34]] machine gun before being killed by the Huey helicopters. One NVA soldier also mans another MG34 in the same scene.
+[[Image:mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|450px|MG34 with front and rear sights folded down - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-158234.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two NVA soldiers with an MG34 machine gun.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-158338.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A different NVA machine gunner with the MG34, awaiting the oncoming American forces.]]
-[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|M1 Carbine with Bayonet Lug and Adjustable rear sight - .30 Carbine]]
+==Fake DShK==
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-33726.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Viet Minh soldier holds a M1 Carbine to a french soldier.]]
+A fake [[DShK heavy machine gun]] is manned by an NVA machine gun team in the final sequence before being wasted by the Huey helicopters. The DShK in the film is actually a [[Browning M2HB]] heavy machine gun mocked up to look like a DShK.
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-82336.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The South Vietnamese advisor lands on the Ia Drang Valley with his [[M1 Carbine]].]]
+[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|450px|DShK on tripod - 12.7x108mm]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-91624.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The South Vietnamese advisor wielding a [[M1 Carbine]] and a very cool mustache, interrogates the NVA soldier.]]
+[[Image:Browning-M2-Heavy-Barrel-w-Tripod.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning M2HB on M3 tripod - .50 BMG]]
-== M60 machine gun ==
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-157072.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A PAVN soldier cocks the fake DShK in the final sequence of the film. Note the M2 charging handle on the right side of the receiver, showing that the DShK is actually a Browning M2HB.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-158101.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The NVA machine gun team from the above image aims the fake DShK.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-119805.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The fake DShK after the machine gun team gets killed by the UH-1 Iroquois helicopters.]]
-The [[M60 machine gun]] is are used  by US soldiers. Various Door gunners use them as well.
+=Handguns=
-[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60 in 7.62x51mm NATO]]
+==Colt M1911==
-[[Image:M60 WWS.JPG|thumb|none|500px|U.S. soldiers open up with an M60 in ''We Were Soldiers'']]
+A [[Colt M1911]] is used by Command Sergeant Major Basil Plumley ([[Sam Elliott]]) as his main weapon since he prefers the .45 over the M16. When Moore praises the latter, Plumley says: ''"Bah, it's plastic... feels like a bb gun to me. I think I'll stick with my pistol"''. It is not common to see the first model of the M1911 being used by Plumley, since the M1911 was replaced in 1924 by the improved [[Colt M1911A1]] which was the sidearm of the US Military in the Vietnam War, World War II and the Korean War, however they did appear on occasion, usually under special circumstances. Of note is that in real life, Plumley also carried an [[M14 Rifle|M14]].
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-39931.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Variuous soldiers fire their M60s in training before the Battle of Ia Drang.]]
+[[Image:M1911WeWereSoldiers.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Screen-used Colt M1911 pistol (Hero Gun) carried and used by [[Sam Elliott]] in the film - .45 ACP]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-82893.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A door gunner fires a M60 during the Battle of Ia Drang.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-99097.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"Gentlemen, prepare to defend yourselves!"'' - Command Sergeant Major Basil Plumley ([[Sam Elliott]]) cocks his M1911.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-40045.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A close-up of a M60 during training.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-137131.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Plumley reloads his M1911.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-39994.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A FPS view of a M60 firing in training.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-155397.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Plumley fires his M1911.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-75605.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A soldier can be seen holding a M60 on the left.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-91127.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A M60 can be seen behind the soldier on the left-centre of the screencap.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-102263.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A door gunner gets shoot while holding a [[M60 machine gun]].]]
-== Colt M1911 pistol ==
-A Colt [[M1911 pistol#M1911A1|M1911]] is fired by Sgt. Maj. Basil Plumley ([[Sam Elliott]]) during a close combat sequence and is also seen in the holsters of his fellow soldiers.
+==Colt M1911A1==
+A [[Colt M1911A1]] is seen in the holster of LTC Hal Moore and most of the soldiers of the 1st Cavalry Division. Some US soldiers use M1911A1s.
+[[Image:M1911A1WeWereSoldiers.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Screen-used Colt M1911A1 pistol (Hero Gun) carried and used by [[Mel Gibson]] in the film - .45 ACP. Weapons provided by Cinema Weaponry.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-133597.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US soldier with his M1911A1.]]
-[[Image:COLTM1911 1913.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 1911 .45 ACP]]
+==Smith & Wesson Model 15 Snub Nose==
-:I read somewhere (I think LMO) that Sam Elliot used an older M1911 not an A1. Gibson on the other hand did use an A1. I'm sure [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]] would know something about it, since he worked on the film. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
+The .38 caliber revolver pulled out by Major Bruce "Snake Shit" Crandall ([[Greg Kinnear]]) appears to be a [[Smith & Wesson Model 15 Snub]]. In 2007, the real Crandall was awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions in the Battle of Ia Drang Valley.
-Sam Elliot did indeed used a Colt 1911 rebuilt for World War II and Mel Gibson used a Colt 1911A1 pre-war commercial issued to the military during World War II. -[[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]
+[[Image:M15M07.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 15 with 2" barrel - .38 Special]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-113243.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Model 15 in Snake Shit's holster when he gets out of his Huey helicopter at Regiment Headquarters.]]
+[[Image:Revolver WWS.JPG|thumb|none|600px|''"You have the balls to face me and not the balls to face the enemy?!"'' - Crandall pulls his Model 15 after he gets reprimanded by a medevac pilot.]]
+[[Image:WWS 442.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The .38 caliber revolver pulled out by MAJ Bruce "Snake Shit" Crandall ([[Greg Kinnear]]).]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-113651.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the same scene.]]
-== Colt M1911A1 pistol ==
+==Browning Hi-Power==
+During the intro of the film set in the Indochina War (1946-1954), a French officer (Foreign Legionnaire) uses his sidearm, a [[Browning Hi-Power]], to kill several Viet Minh soldiers before being killed. The use of a Browning Hi-Power pistol by a member of the French Army at the time of the battle (1954) was not common, as either the [[French M1935 Pistols|Mle 1935]] or [[MAC Mle 1950]] were the official French military sidearms used during that period. The armorers couldn't get an appropriate French military pistol and since Hi-Powers were in the region, they opted for those instead.
+[[Image:BrowningHiPowerPistol9mm.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Browning Hi-Power - 9x19mm Parabellum]]
+[[Image:WWS-BrowningHiPowerFires.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A French Army (Foreign Legionnaire) officer fires his Browning Hi-Power at a Viet Minh soldier.]]
+[[Image:WWS-BrowningHiPowerBayo.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|The French officer (Foreign Legionnaire) gets stabbed by a Viet Minh soldier while holding his Browning Hi-Power. Note in the actual ambush(es), they were not Legionnaires, and successfully withdrew from the area, though suffering severe casualties.]]
-A Colt [[M1911 pistol#M1911A1|M1911A1]] is seen in the holster of Lt. Col. Hal Moore ([[Mel Gibson]]) during a close combat sequence, shooting an NVA soldier attempting to bayonet him while he's on the radio.
+=Submachine Guns=
+==M1928A1 Thompson==
+As the American soldiers are heading off for battle, you can see an ARVN soldier holding up an [[M1928A1 Thompson]] with a 20-round magazine.
+[[Image:M1928-A1 T.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine - .45 ACP]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-79844.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"Garry Owen!"'' - An ARVN soldier with an M1928A1 Thompson as well as other U.S. soldiers cheer the rest of the 1st Cavalry Division as they prepare to enter the Ia Drang Valley.]]
-[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 1911A1 .45 ACP]]
+==PPSh-41==
+The NVA and the Viet Cong use [[PPSh-41]] submachine guns during the intro sequence and the rest of the film, with both the standard 71-round drum magazines and 35-round magazines.
+[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PPSh-41 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
+[[Image:WWS-PPsh41DrumRunA.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier gets shot by the French officer while holding a PPSh-41.]]
+[[Image:WWS-PPSH41KillShota.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier gets shot while holding a PPSh-41.]]
+[[Image:Ppsh41-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PPSh-41 with 35-round magazine - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
+[[Image:WWS-PPS41RunHill02a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier holds a PPSh-41 with a 35-round magazine.]]
-== M26 Hand Grenades ==
+==PPS-43==
+Viet Minh soldiers use [[PPS-43]] submachine guns alongside their SKS rifles and PPSh-41s to kill the French soldiers in the intro sequence that takes place in 1954 in the Indochina War. During the rest of the film, the PAVN (People's Army of Vietnam, the formal name of the PAVN. Also known as the North Vietnamese Army or NVA.) and Viet Cong (Informal name for the National Liberation Front or NLF.) also use PPS-43 submachine guns against US Army soldiers in the Battle of Ia Drang.
+[[Image:PPSh-43-Submachine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PPS-43 submachine gun - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
+[[Image:WWS-PPS43RunHilla.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier carrying a PPS-43 during the opening scene.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-26359.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier carrying a PPS-43 gets shot during the opening scene.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-31089.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier gets blown up by a French grenade while his PPS-43 falls to the ground.]]
-In several scenes, U.S. soldiers can be seen with [[M26 hand grenade]]s strapped to their pouches.
+==MAT-49==
+Various French soldiers use [[MAT-49]] submachine guns during the opening scene. Various NVA and Viet Cong soldiers also use them during the rest of the film, surely captured from the French army during the Indochina War.
+[[Image:MAT-49.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Screen-used MAT-49 submachine gun from the film (provided by Cinema Weaponry) - 9x19mm Parabellum]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-22831.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French soldier in the center is seen with a MAT-49.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-72625.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Cong fighter gets shot while holding his MAT-49.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-165653.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A MAT-49 lies on the top of the pile of guns while US soldiers pile up dead NVA soldiers in the background.]]
-[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M26 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
+=Shotguns=
-[[Image:WWSM26Frag.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Captain Nadal and another soldier patrol the battlefield with M16's in hand and M26 hand grenades strapped to their pouches]]
+==Winchester Model 1912 Field Gun==
+In a deleted scene, Specialist Galen Bungum ([[Blake Heron]]) and his wife are seen using a [[Winchester Model 1912|Winchester Model 1912 Field Gun]] to shoot skeet.
+[[Image:WinchesterM1912FieldGun.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester Model 1912 Field Gun (last production model) - 12 Gauge]]
+[[Image:WWS-FieldGunA.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Galen Bungum ([[Blake Heron]]) is seen firing the Winchester Model 1912 Field Gun.]]
+[[Image:WWS-FieldGun2a.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Bungum's wife firing the Winchester Model 1912 Field Gun.]]
-== PPSh-41 ==
+=Others=
+==M26 Hand Grenade==
+In several scenes, U.S. soldiers are seen with [[M26 hand grenade]]s strapped to their pouches.
+[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|M26 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
+[[Image:WWSM26Frag.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A production image of Captain Tony Nadal ([[Jsu Garcia]]) and his RTO patrol the battlefield with M16s in hand and M26 hand grenades strapped to their pouches. Note the trigger discipline - fingers resting alongside the trigger guard.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-93047.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Members of Sgt. Savage's squad drag a wounded soldier to cover. Four M26 grenades can be seen attached to webbing.]]
-The NVA and the Vietcong use [[PPSh-41 / PPSh-43|PPSh-41]]s submachine guns during the intro sequence and the rest of the movie.
+==M79 Grenade Launcher==
+Various US soldiers can be seen carrying [[M79 grenade launcher]]s in a few scenes. Specialist Galen Bungum ([[Blake Heron]]) uses one since he is the grenadier of Sergeant Savage's squad.
+[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M79 grenade launcher - 40x46mm]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-41883.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US soldier jumps from a chopper during the training while carrying an M79 grenade launcher.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-93589.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American soldier fires his M79 grenade launcher.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-93116.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American grenadier gets shot while holding his M79.]]
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-40534.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bungum's M79 slung over his back.]]
-[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A PPSh-41 submachine gun.]]
+==RPG-2==
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-30728.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Viet Minh soldier gets shot while holding a PPSh-41.]]
+An NVA soldier is seen firing an [[RPG-2]] (Vietnamese-made model was known as the B-40) against the American forces.
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-31305.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Viet Minh soldier holds a PPSh-41 with a 35 round stick magazine.]]
+[[Image:Rpg-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|RPG-2 with PG-2 rocket - 40mm]]
+[[Image:WWS.rpg-2.shot.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An NVA soldier carrying the RPG-2 prepares to engage the American forces. He is wearing a protective hood and goggles worn to protect himself from the blast when firing the rocket.]]
-== Genuine AK-47s ==
+==M1A1 "Bazooka"==
-During the movie the North Vietnamise Army (NVA) use Genuine [[AK-47]]s with Milled Receivers.
+A Viet Minh soldier uses an [[M1A1 "Bazooka"]] with a modified rear sight to destroy a French jeep during the intro sequence. While it seems that a Viet Minh soldier using a Bazooka could be an anachronism, the French army widely used the M1A1, [[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M9A1 "Bazooka" (2.36" Rocket)|M9A1 "Bazooka"]] and [[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M20 "Super Bazooka" (3.5" Rocket)|M20 "Super Bazooka"]] during the Indochina War. The Viet Minh widely used captured French weapons during the Indochina War, and the PAVN and Viet Cong also widely used them during the Vietnam War.
+[[Image:M1A1 Bazooka.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1A1 "Bazooka" - 2.36 inch]]
+[[Image:WWS-RocketLauncherA.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier fires an M1A1 "Bazooka" at a French jeep. Note the modified rear sight and how it has only one grip.]]
-[[Image:Ak 54.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-47 with a milled receiver.]]
+==Hispano-Suiza HS.404 (M2 Autocannon)==
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-103898.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NVA soldiers fire their AK-47s.]]
+The M2 autocannon, the American license-built model of the [[Hispano-Suiza HS.404]] appears in the film as the gun armament of US Air Force A-1H "Sandy" ground-attack planes that respond to the "Broken Arrow" call, making strafing runs on advancing Vietnamese infantry.
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-123086.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A NVA soldier moves in the dark with a AK-47.]]
+[[Image:Hispano Suiza HS404.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Hispano-Suiza HS.404 with ammo drum - 20x110mm USN]]
-== M79 grenade launcher ==
+[[File:WWS 433.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M2 autocannon, the American license-built model of the Hispano-Suiza HS.404 appears in the film as the gun armament of US Air Force A-1H "Sandy" ground-attack plane.]]
-Various US soldiers can be seen carrying [[M79 grenade launcher]]s in a few scenes.
+==Colt Mk 12 Cannon==
+The [[Colt Mk 12 cannon]] can be seen as the gun armament of a US Navy A-4 Skyhawk responding to the "Broken Arrow" call, strafing Vietnamese infantry during low-level passes.
+[[Image:ColtMk12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Mk 12 cannon with ammo belt - 20x110mm USN]]
+[[File:WWS 456.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US Navy A-4 Skyhawk strafes the NVA soldiers with its twin Colt Mk 12 cannons.]]
-[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M79 grenade launcher - 40mm]]
+==M34 White Phosphorous Grenade==
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-41883.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A soldier jumps from a chopper during training while carryng a [[M79 grenade launcher]].]]
+A wounded NVA soldier is seen throwing an [[M34 White Phosphorous grenade]] (known as "Willie Pete" during the war) at Sergeant Forrester, severely wounding him.
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-93589.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A american soldier fires his [[M79 grenade launcher]].]]
+[[Image:M34 2-1-.jpg|thumb|none|150px|M34 White Phosphorous grenade]]
-== MAS-36 Rifle ==
+[[Image:Vlcsnap-93657.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The NVA soldier, covered in blood and burn marks, prepares to toss the M34 grenade.]]
-In the opening scene where the french soldiers are ambushed during the Indochina War, various french soldiers use [[MAS-36 rifle]]s.
-[[Image:MAS36.jpg|thumb|none|400px|French MAS-36 Rifle.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-23252.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The French convoy gets ambushed.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-23792.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Two french soldiers armed with [[MAS-36 rifle]]s.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-25677.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Two french soldiers fire their [[MAS-36 rifle]]s.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-31354.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A french soldier gets shot while holding a [[MAS-36 rifle]].]]
-== Smith & Wesson M-13 Aircrewman ==
-The .38 caliber revolver pulled out by Maj. Bruce "Snake S!@#" Crandall ([[Greg Kinnear]]) is most likely a Smith & Wesson M-13 Aircrewman, an unsuccessful lightweight aluminium-cylindered revolver designed for US military flyers.
+==Type 67 Stick Grenade==
+Chinese [[Type 67 stick grenade]]s (aka Chinese Type II grenades) are seen in chest pouches on NVA soldiers. In one scene, one grenade is thrown near wounded American soldiers, and a brave soldier jumps on it to save his comrades.
+[[Image:Type67Grenade.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Type 67 High-Explosive Fragmentation stick grenade]]
+[[Image:WWS-ChicomGrenadePouch.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Seen on the dead NVA soldier is a chest pouch with Type 67 stick grenades.]]
+[[Image:WWS-ChicomType2a.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A US soldier sees a Type 67 stick grenade as it hits the ground nearby.]]
-[[Image:Revolver WWS.JPG|thumb|none|550px|Maj. Crandall pulls a revolver during an arguement in Vietnam]]
+=Notes=
+==French Uniform Errors==
+There are several errors also in the uniforms of French troops:
+# No lieutenant from "troupes de Marine" (2 golden horizontal stripes on bleu) would have a white kepi (Kepi blanc for Foreign Legion soldiers only, excluding NCOs and officers)
+# The red berets are worn the wrong way (Insignia on the right in France for all the Army. Only exception French Navy Commando green berets)
+# Insignia on the red berets are wrong (infantry instead of paratroopers)
-[[Image:Skt239.jpg|thumb|none|350px|A S&W M-13, demonstarting WHY the aluminium cylinder was unsuccessful.]]
+==The actual battle and its effect on the war==
+Although the battle would last more than 300 days, the film covers only the initial engagement, the first time the US used the Air Mobile Infantry (called "the helicopter soldiers" by a Vietnamese officer) in combat. Over three days, Moore's regiment suffered the loss of 72 out of his 395 men and were responsible for over 1800 enemy soldiers KIA out of 4,000. The utterly lop-sided casualty figures helped to convince Defense Secretary Robert McNamara and Vietnam theater commander General William Westmoreland that the communist North Vietnamese could be persuaded to give up their attempt to conquer the South using attrition tactics. Events, of course, would prove this strategy disastrous.
-== GE M134 Minigun ==
-A pair each of [[GE M134 Minigun]]s are seen mounted on the gunship Hueys at the climax of the film, and one is also on display on a table in the beginning of the movie.
-[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|400px|General Electric M134 - 7.62x51mm]]
-[[Image:GE 134 WWS.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Soldiers inspect an M134 Minigun on display]]
-== M1928A1 Thompson ==
-As the American soldiers are heading off for battle you can see a South Vietnamese soldier holding up an [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928/M1928A1 Thompson|M1928A1 Thompson]] with a 20-round magazine.
-[[Image:M1928-A1 T.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1928A1 Thompson .45 ACP with 30-round box magazine]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-79844.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A ARVN soldier holds an M1928A1 Thompson]]
-== Browning M1919A4 ==
-Two [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4]]s can be seen mounted on French jeeps on the intro sequence.
-[[Image:BrowningM37MG.jpg|thumb|none|325px|A variant of the Browning M1919 developed during World War 2, this model is designated the M37, with the ability to feed from either the left or the right of the weapon - 30-06. This example is shown without a tripod, only the pintle mount. This the MOST likely .30 cal machine gun to be seen firing from armored vehicles.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-30185.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A french soldier fires the [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4]] at Viet Minh forces.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-23377.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4]] can be seen mounted on the jeep on the left.]]
-== MAT-49 ==
-Various French Soldiers use [[MAT-49]] submachine guns during the opening Scene. Various North Vietnam soldiers and Vietcong soldiers use them as well during the Battle of Ia Drang.
-[[Image:MAT-49.jpg|thumb|none|325px|A MAT-49 submachine gun.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-22831.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A french soldier can be seen with a [[MAT-49]] in the center of the screencap.]]
-[[Image:Vlcsnap-165653.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A MAT-49 sits on the top of the pile of guns while US soldiers pile up dead NVA soldiers in the background.]]
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Rifles / Carbines

XM16E1

M16

M1 Carbine

AK-47

MAS-36

SKS

Mosin Nagant M44

Karabiner 98k

Machine Guns

M60

Browning M1919A4

GE M134 Minigun

Degtyaryov DP-28

RPD

ZB26

MG34

Fake DShK

Handguns

Colt M1911

Colt M1911A1

Smith & Wesson Model 15 Snub Nose

Browning Hi-Power

Submachine Guns

M1928A1 Thompson

PPSh-41

PPS-43

MAT-49

Shotguns

Winchester Model 1912 Field Gun

Others

M26 Hand Grenade

M79 Grenade Launcher

RPG-2

M1A1 "Bazooka"

Hispano-Suiza HS.404 (M2 Autocannon)

Colt Mk 12 Cannon

M34 White Phosphorous Grenade

Type 67 Stick Grenade

Notes

French Uniform Errors

The actual battle and its effect on the war

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