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| | ==Happy 2023== |
| | Happy New Year's to all. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 21:36, 1 January 2023 (UTC) |
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| ==2017== | | == I guess, I made ID of Thark Rifle in John Carter movie == |
| A Happy New Year to all! --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 18:44, 31 December 2016 (EST)
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| :Damn, looks like somebody beat me to it. Oh well. Here's to another year of letting people know about the guns they're seeing in popular media. It'll sure be fun for me (even if I did get my wisdom teeth removed last Friday), and I hope it will be for all of you, too. May your 2017 be free of Lyme Disease and Communism. Cheers! [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 23:48, 31 December 2016 (EST)
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| == Some question of rare gun in movie ==
| | At the ''[[John Carter (2012)|John Carter]]'' movie, most Tharks (Green Martian clan) use Thark Martian rifles. Of course, it was futurised guns, but, after closing inspection of the original movie props, I notice, that's this futusistic rifles were made from [[Tanegashima]]s (of course, a modern replicas). For proving this guess, I made a photoshoping compilation of the movie props and modern Tanegashima replica. So, I guess, that's useful to ID the gun as Tanegashma. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 13:42, 15 January 2023 (UTC) |
| | [[Image:Thark rifle photoshop.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A photoshoping compilation of the movie props and modern Tanegashima replica. The serpent for the match and closing powderbox (1), which is almost similar on the Tanegashima and Thark rifle. The pistol-grip buttstock (2) which is also almost similar. Of course, the movie prop is equipped with some part of other guns (percussion hammer) as well as some junks, to look more futuristic, as well, it's sawn in half, but the basing gun is Tanegashima.]] |
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| Hello! I'm sorry, I have some question: I know, that pages about media, that contain only tanegashima matchlock are ineligible. But, the movie Azumi contain not only standart arquebuse, but also contain very rare, but realy historical exist Japanese matchlock revolver [http://radikal.ru/fp/8c7lkxhkdkcvs 1], [http://radikal.ru/fp/7o2nzza4ekx9z 2], [http://radikal.ru/fp/1cckd5cfhfmde 3], [https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/d3/9a/08/d39a08d69a70a389fd84a2910726202e.jpg like this]. So, may I upload screenshots on discussion page to view it for Administrators.
| | ==Smiling Friends page?== |
| | The western animation series Smiling Friends has quite a few realistically-drawn firearms which I documented on my sandbox [[User:Dnkakusei/Sandbox#Smiling_Friends_.5B2022-ongoing.2C_USA.5D|here]]. I would just like to know if the show qualifies for a page on this site. --[[User:Dnkakusei|Dnkakusei]] ([[User talk:Dnkakusei|talk]]) 13:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC) |
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| [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0384819/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 Azumi page on imdb].
| | == Delete category backlog == |
| [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 14:48, 6 January 2017 (EST)
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| :I added screenshots to disscussion page: [[Talk:Azumi]]. What do you think about eligibility of this page? [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 13:02, 19 January 2017 (EST)
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| ::I vote for eligibility as the exact version of the gun is identified now. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:37, 19 January 2017 (EST)
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| :::Thank you very much! What will be the decision of other admins? [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 18:14, 22 January 2017 (EST)
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| ==Excess Gun Image(s)==
| | Just want to holler at the mod/s just in case. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 07:56, 12 February 2023 (UTC) |
| Most recent example - http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Remington_870_with_Hogue_pistol_grip.jpeg <BR>
| | : Got more screenshots from Detective Conan marked for deletion since Netflix Japan's able to get remastered episodes out and I'm slowly using them to update pages here. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 01:19, 3 March 2023 (UTC) |
| Straight-up, I'm not sure this is a worthy image for inclusion. It's clearly a jacked one of someone's personal gun and not even that good a pic, either. I've seen quite a few excess gun images of this speed around actually, many only used on just one particular page (if that). Forgive me but I'm of the strong opinion that just because one particular show or movie has a gun in a particular configuration doesn't mean we absolutely have to have an image - in this case, *any* image - of said gun in said particular configuration. As stated we're not a gun encyclopedia, and I think this kind of thing leans a bit too far that way, frankly. I'd start marking some of these for deletion review but before I do I wanted some additional input on this. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 02:25, 18 January 2017 (EST)
| | :: Got more stuff for deletion. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 06:52, 6 July 2023 (UTC) |
| :Makes sense to me. What page was that image used on btw?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 06:27, 18 January 2017 (EST)
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| :: "The following page links to this file: '''Talk:Remington Model 870'''" --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:05, 18 January 2017 (EST)
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| ::: It was uploaded by Ominae I believe for the Gotham S3 page, now it looks like on that page it's been replaced with what I still think is a superfluous but admittedly much better image by Ben. I had put it on the talk page before deciding on posting about it here - I'll take it off there and nuke-tag it. That aside, I still think we have quite a load more of one-off gun pics and I wonder if they're really necessary in many cases.. I doubt it, but again, I wanted some extra input before I started nuke-tagging anything much more. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 15:44, 18 January 2017 (EST) | |
| :::: I've deleted the original image, but I think it is worth keeping the newer one that Ben uploaded. It is different to all of the other pistol gripped 870 images we have, as all of them either have a shorter barrel or an extended tube. I wouldn't be surprised if there are actually other pages already that would benefit from this image, where this one is a closer match but people have used other images as there wasn't one like this available. As for the wider issue of when to stop adding gun images, my opinion on it is that we do not need pictures of every gun with every accessory that has been used. For example, we do not need a picture of an M4 with an Aimpoint T1 because it appears in one film. However, in this case it is actually the configuration of the gun itself that is unique rather than accessories attached to it, so I think that it is worth the image. Also, it isn't like this is some weird and esoteric custom build, it is a vanilla 870 that has had the stock replaced with a pistol grip, so a pretty common gun I would imagine. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:58, 18 January 2017 (EST)
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| ::::: Well most of the problem here was the chump image originally put up, which has been dealt with (thanks BTW, Ben). That said, I agree there are other some pages that could use this one and that's all right, great, even - If it can be spread out some, and/or is needed for reference or something I've no problem, but I still think there is something about some gun images again that are only used/meant for one particular page - To have a gun image for one page because it 'matches' in every respect seems a bit ridiculous (that's even if it's used on a page) - Yet people seem to do that quite a bit lately and there are already a fair number images like that it seems. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:42, 19 January 2017 (EST)
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| :::::: We used to have a serious problem with some users (and some mods) who had this weird fascination with putting as many screencaps as possible. This led to a change in the Rules and regulations. I remember one page that had 30 (!!!) screenshots of the same character firing or brandishing the same gun in nearly identical poses. It was silly, and thankfully, we don't have that problem any more. Many pages that were created a while ago, might still not be updated. Don't be alarmed if you see a ton of weird page formatting and photo discipline. Check the dates and they're usually OLDER pages, back when IMFDB was more of a 'wild west' ;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 04:47, 4 April 2017 (EDT) | |
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| == One Gun Pages == | | == Blue Muzzle Flashes == |
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| I somehow confused. Do correspond pages with only one gun (which there was a lot lately) to IMFDB standards, or not? --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 12:41, 20 January 2017 (EST) | | Something I have noticed with classic action films, mostly within the 80's era, is that a lot of muzzle flashes appear more blue than yellow. Did this have something to do with the type of blanks/props that were being used back then, or was this just a result of 1980's cinematography? --[[User:Theakker3|Theakker3]] ([[User talk:Theakker3|talk]]) 12:40, 28 March 2023 (UTC) |
| :[[Rules,_Standards_and_Principles#It_must_have_more_than_one_real_firearm_in_it|Rules, Standards and Principles]] say in what case such page qualify: "1) the firearm is identifiable, well seen and important to the story. A film where 'some character' wields an 'unknown revolver' means nothing. 2) it has enough screen time for any viewer to wonder what make or model it is. 3) it must drive the plot forward and not be an 'incidental' prop (like something hanging on the wall in the background).". [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:53, 20 January 2017 (EST)
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| ::I was actually wondering about that. There's a really cool game called "Receiver" that only has two guns, a commander sized 1911 and a snub-nosed revolver (really bad at IDing revolvers). I was thinking about making a page for it, but since there's only two guns, it would feel a little bit unnecessary.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 13:22, 20 January 2017 (EST)
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| :::Movies and games are quite different things. At least movies show real guns, not something drawn on computer. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:33, 20 January 2017 (EST)
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| ::::Well that guns are "real" in that they are based of actual firearms that exist (and function) in the real world.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:03, 20 January 2017 (EST)
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| :::::No, that's not always true. There are tons of Anime and VG examples where the gun is a fanciful part of some designer or artists' imagination. At least in Movies and TV, you KNOW that the item actually physically exists, even if it was built from scratch by some prop department. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 04:49, 4 April 2017 (EDT)
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| == Requesting a page for [[Mine (2016)]] ==
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| So i recently watched the new Armie Hammer's movie and i think it would be neat to include that movie, there are G3s and AK derivatives used by the insurgents as well as M4s, berettas and Armie's sniper rifle which i think its a McMillan Tac .338 but not so sure:https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OkOcVIR0CL4/maxresdefault.jpg
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| You can see the rifle very well and with better view in its movie trailer that you guys can watch though.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 17:36, 2 February 2017 (EST)
| | == Monsters vs Aliens? == |
| :Once it's out, you're more than welcome to complete the page. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:03, 2 February 2017 (EST)
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| ==Assessment==
| | Should we add a page about Monsters vs Aliens, the movie has some detailed guns like the M4 Carbine |
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| Having doubts that this is qualified, but need another set of eyes for this.
| | == Prodigal Son - Season 2, Unknown semi-auto pistol == |
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| http://postimg.org/image/45ppbm3sd/
| | I believe have a positive ID on the "unknown" semi-auto pistol listed for Prodigal Son - Season 2. |
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| | I requested an account specifically to help with this ID but I don't understand how to correctly add this info |
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| [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 22:16, 23 February 2017 (EST)
| | If someone could vet this and add it, I'd appreciate it! |
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| : Looks like a slightly crudely modeled Glock 19 to me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 01:22, 24 February 2017 (EST)
| | Prodigal Son - S02E10, "Exit Strategy". At approx 34m:30s, Felix (spoiler: Clayton Fielder's twin) climbs a staircase while brandishing, then racking, a silver-tone semi-auto I identify as a TriStar P-120 (CZ75 clone). It's later seen several times from virtually every conceivable angle starting around 38:10. |
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| ::Thought so too. I assume it's a no go? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 12:04, 24 February 2017 (EST) | | :I checked it and I think you're right, so I did make all the necessary changes. By the way, don't forget to put your nickname and time in all discussions using 4 "~" at the end of each post. [[User:Pustelga7|Pustelga7]] ([[User talk:Pustelga7|talk]]) 15:30, 4 June 2023 (UTC) |
| :::There are a lot of better pages you can be working on. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:20, 24 February 2017 (EST)
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| == Adjustments ==
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| I made some necessary changes to the Assault Rifles category. For some reason, it doesn't show up on the Main Page, so I'm posting here to let you know about it. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 18:58, 1 April 2017 (EDT)
| | Therealnecroscope, 06:35, 6 June 2023 |
| :I've been tempted to do a joke page for April Fools, like a page for ''Game of Thrones'' or ''Lord of the Rings'', but I didn't want to set a bad example. Although I suppose the best prank would be to just restore the page for that porno someone created last year. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:17, 1 April 2017 (EDT)
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| ::Okay, I know that it probably exists on the Internet (believe me, I've made more than a few poorly worded Google searches that I came to regret), but what kind of professionally/officially released porno has an eligible amount of guns in it? Actually, scratch that, I don't want to know... [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 20:33, 1 April 2017 (EDT)
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| ::: Honestly can't remember if it was an 'original' piece or some parody (probably the latter), but there's at least one more recently where in just embedded ad clips I've seen there were several firearms well displayed that, other elements notwithstanding, would make it quite worthy of inclusion. Technically I would think it would be possible to do films of that sort if the firearms are shown in SFW spots, but as pornographic titles have a non-explicitly stated but quite implied unilateral ban, well that's pretty much that. Would make for a good joke though, I agree. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 02:24, 2 April 2017 (EDT)
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| ::::They just have to start making parodies of the right films. ''This isn't Black Hawk Down'', or ''John Wick: A Porn Parody''. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:56, 3 April 2017 (EDT)
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| :::::You also need to bear in mind that in a lot of countries there are laws that prohibit "violent" pornography. Even if you made a porno with gunfights that were in SFW portions, I am not 100% sure how the law works with this and I doubt that companies would want to take the risk. As for whether we ban them or not, we don't explicitly (no pun intended) do so, and personally (assuming that the page could be made relatively tastefully) I would not necessarily be against including them. However I don not think that there are many made that would fit our current inclusion criteria in the RSP. Mainly, we state that "the title must be available to the general public through recognized channels of commerce (Amazon, Blockbuster, Netflix, etc.). Self distribution via Amazon, home distribution or micro distribution websites do not qualify". Although pornography is available on Amazon, I believe that it is only through other stores where Amazon handles the transaction so it is arguably inelligible. However, if there was a "pornographic" film which somehow got a wide theatrical release (the most recent example of this sort of thing that springs to mind is stuff like ''Nymphomaniac'') and it featured guns to our inclusion criteria, I would not have a problem with it getting a page. All thing considered though, it is unlikely to happen too much if at all. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:48, 3 April 2017 (EDT)
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| ::::::IIRC somebody tried making a page for some pirate porn movie. Also, LOL Blockbuster.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 08:37, 4 April 2017 (EDT)
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| == Am I the only one... ==
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| ...who is getting sick of seeing the ''The Fast and the Furious'' series in the Featured Article section?--[[User:Jake Stuckey|Jake Stuckey]] ([[User talk:Jake Stuckey|talk]]) 08:57, 21 April 2017 (EDT)
| | [[User:Therealnecroscope|Therealnecroscope]] ([[User talk:Therealnecroscope|talk]]) 10:35, 6 June 2023 (UTC) |
| :Every once and awhile, the featured articles have a theme. To commemorate the new F&F movie, it's currently all F&F movies. It'll change soon. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 09:07, 21 April 2017 (EDT)
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| == Call Of Duty: WWII Announced == | | ==White M18 grenade== |
| Well, Activision just confirmed the WW2 setting for this years COD. At least that means it'll be easier to make a page for now! Also, just simple hopes, but I HOPE they have the Battle For Castle Itter in this game.--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 13:51, 21 April 2017 (EDT)
| | Are white M18 smoke grenade only seen in TV/movies/games? Been seeing some of those. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 17:34, 12 October 2023 (UTC) |
| :Was the original title ''Call of Duty: We've Run Out of Ideas''? Since it's Sledgehammer, it looks like ''Advanced Warfare'' will joining ''Ghosts'' on the Island of Unresolved Storylines. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:00, 21 April 2017 (EDT)
| | :I don't think they come in white IRL. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:12, 12 October 2023 (UTC) |
| ::Well, given how those two games you mentioned were so hilariously unpopular, I think that it's pretty clear that they won't be getting a sequel, largely due to the reputation built up by their predecessors. Also, Sean, we all have our hopes and dreams. I, for one, just hope that they throw in some more obscure weapons (preferably those actually used, but I'm down for prototypes, too), and finally pick up on some of the age-old errors (like holding Stens by the magazines and whatnot). Not likely, but hey, a man can dream. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 17:30, 21 April 2017 (EDT)
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| :::Regarding the Sten part, Sledgehammer Games did it correctly in Advanced Warfare, so ya can sleep well. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 18:01, 21 April 2017 (EDT)
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| ::::Well, folks, get ready. The trailer's coming out this Wednesday. Prepare thine anus. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 16:00, 22 April 2017 (EDT) | |
| :::::What I do actually hope (but wouldn't be more than dreaming) is that when reloading a pump-action shotgun they finally learn to only cock it when empty. Still can't believe that it was done correctly in the 10-year old CoD3 but not in any of the later ones. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:43, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
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| ::::::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpUSL5rAP8Y&t=0s Trailer] dropped and I was able to spot a Grease Gun, M1 Garand, M1903, STG-44, and a Luger P08. --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 13:33, 26 April 2017 (EDT)
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| == Rifle IDs == | | ==Stunt/action choreography for a director's page== |
| | On the page for stunt choreographer and two-time film director [[Kensuke Sonomura]], I've added a list of films and games that he contributed stunt direction and choreography to. I'm planning on fully adding these productions to his category, but I was told to ask an admin first because stunt coordination is a pretty niche credit, however I believe that these productions should be added to his category as stunt and action sequences are vital and important parts of these films and games. Is it safe to add the pages? --[[User:Dnkakusei|Dnkakusei]] ([[User talk:Dnkakusei|talk]]) 12:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC) |
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| I can use some assistance with IDing a few commercial bolt-action rifles. The last one should be easy, with a very nice hsot of the bolt, but I just can't find anything that matches it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:33, 24 April 2017 (EDT) | | ==Firearm citations without screen grabs?== |
| | I am new here, and I have not seen any guidelines about whether it's okay to cite a firearm in a movie listing without an associated screen grab. Is it better to have a weapon identified, even without a photo? ... or is it really better to make sure that each citation includes corresponding screen grabs? --[[User:226X5-9-TAC|226X5-9-TAC]] ([[User talk:226X5-9-TAC|talk]]) 23:02, 15 December 2023 (UTC). |
| | :First off, welcome aboard. As for your question, if it's a pre-existing page, then pointing out a specific gun that doesn't already have a screencap is fine, as long as you're specific about when and where it appears (though having a screencap is always preferable). If it's for a page that doesn't exist yet, we'd prefer not - we have an excess of pages without screencaps as-is. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 23:43, 15 December 2023 (UTC) |
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| [[File:LongmireS4E01 14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the rifle in "Down by the River" (S4E01).]]
| | == Identifying revolver == |
| [[File:Longmire_0406_rifles_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mitch Dye (Keith Andreen) and Seth Buyers (Shane Woodson) with their rifles in "The Calling Back" (S04E06).]]
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| [[File:Longmire_0406_rifles_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Seth Buyers (Shane Woodson) takes aim with his rifle in "The Calling Back" (S04E06).]]
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| [[File:Longmire_0410_rifle_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Trot Smic ([[Aaron McPherson]]) with an unknown rifle in "What Happens on the Rez..." (S04E10).]]
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| [[File:LongmireS4E10 15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henry's rifle is seen in Season 4's finale "What Happens on the Rez..." (S4E10).]]
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| [[File:LongmireS4E10 18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The bolt action seen in the rifle in Season 4's finale "What Happens on the Rez..." (S4E10).]]
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| :I am fairly sure that the last one is a [[Mauser 98 Sporter]] of some sort, compare it to [http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii260/Fox1Hoodlum/Mauser%2098/IMG_7295.jpg~original this image at a similar angle] and you will see the resemblance of the shape of the bolt. Not sure about the rest, but is the rifle on the right of [[Media:Longmire 0406 rifles 01.jpg|this image]] also a Savage 99? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:02, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
| | What type of revolver is this? Film is from 1938. [[User:Theakker3|Theakker3]] ([[User talk:Theakker3|talk]]) 17:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC) |
| ::Yup, that looks like a [http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f24/112360d1405785047-mauser-98-safety-img_1521.jpg Mauser 98]. And nice catch with the other Savage 98. Thanks! --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:07, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
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| == CoD:WW2 again ==
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| | : Not really a detailed enough shot to tell much. Appears to be a mid-size, .38 or therabouts. Ejector rod looks rather long which makes me think it has a socket, which would make it a S&W. If so, likely a Military & Police model. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:30, 23 December 2023 (UTC) |
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| Here's the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4Q_XYVescc trailer]for the new CoD. Let's hope it's not only the European theatre with Americans and Germans, because that would be boring as hell.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:20, 26 April 2017 (EDT)
| | ==NCIS Sydney== |
| :Looks like they are going to mention the [http://mashable.com/2017/04/26/call-of-duty-wwii-holocaust-interview/?utm_cid=hp-n-1 Holocaust]. Curious to see how this pans out.--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 14:27, 26 April 2017 (EDT)
| | Should I wait until the episode/s airing in Australia in the last few weeks this month are accessible in Canada/US next month (January 2024) before screencapping, even though the show's backed by CBS and Paramount Plus? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 10:05, 23 December 2023 (UTC) |
| ::Oh man, that article is a disgrace. But this isn't the place for politics...--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 14:50, 26 April 2017 (EDT)
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| They should add more exotic WW2 guns like K-Pattern,Czech guns,Błyskawizas,Berettas...alongside all the repeating seen classic guns...
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| --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 15:10, 3 May 2017 (EDT)
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| == Creative Commons == | | == Happy New Year! (2024) == |
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| So, I was asking a member of another wiki (the Fallout Wiki, Nukapedia) if I could use some of their screenshots, as I'm unable to get my own. Well, he asked me this: "One quick question: I checked you site, and while its run on mediawiki, i could not find any creative commons license like wikia here has. Do younfolks operate under any of the creative commons licenses, or any other lisence for copyright and reuse?" Now, I'm not entirely sure what most of that means, so... how should I respond? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 02:08, 6 May 2017 (EDT)
| | Happy New Year to all IMFDB and may this year be prolific in page editing too!--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 08:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC) |
| :Seriously, what's the deal with our CC? Please help. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 10:56, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
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| ::You may need to take this directly to Bunni. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:34, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
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| :::I don't think screenshots on the Fallout wiki could be covered under a CC license, as they are derivative works of non-CC licensed material. This is the same with our site. We, and they, can still use these screenshots as they fall under the umbrella of fair use though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:30, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
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| ::::So... what should I tell the guy? Should I just tell him that neither of us have a CC license, or something else? If at all possible, formulate an answer to his original question that I can just sort of copy-paste over there, 'cause I don't really understand much of this. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 16:52, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
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| :::::I don't fully understand this topic either (unless there happen to be any IP or copywrite lawyers here I don't imagine anyone on this does) but what I do know is that in this case Creative Commons licenses are irrelevant as they would not be applicable to screenshots of somebody else's copywrited work. For the sake of argument though, lets say that it is a drawing of a weapon done by a user there who has posted it with a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License (which I think is what that site uses for stuff like graphics). Whether or not this site has a blanket CC policy is irrelevant, as the point of CC licenses is that you do not need to seek permission before using them, and all you need to do to reuse this material is to attribute the source and (in the case of this specific license) publish under the same type of CC license. As they are irrelevant in this case for screenshots, why is this person concerned about CC licenses anyway? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:14, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
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| ::::::I don't get any of this either; all I'm asking for is for someone to give me an idea of what I should say to him. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 16:31, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
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| == Female users ==
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| There are anyone here? --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 12:16, 6 May 2017 (EDT)
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| :Looking for a date, lol?--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 18:14, 6 May 2017 (EDT)
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| :::^ lel i waz gunna say dis too do i get a cookie? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 20:33, 6 May 2017 (EDT)
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| ::Now exactly why would you ask a question like that Danny? -[[User:SeptemberJack|SeptemberJack]] ([[User talk:SeptemberJack|talk]]) 18:42, 6 May 2017 (EDT)
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| Well, AgentGumby and Ultimate94Ninja guessed right. Yeah. And girls that love guns are rare, specially here in Europe. And in this site they can even be geeky ( I love geeky/nerdy girls, they are so pretty...). And if you are reading this and you are a GIRL, well just tell me...--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 07:35, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
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| :In the years I've been here, there have been few, if any, female users. Singling them out like this probably doesn't help. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:34, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
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| ::Women have better things to do...... [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 17:01, 15 May 2017 (EDT)
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| == The Rurouni Kenshin (2012) live-action movie page missing? ==
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| Whatever happened to the page? Did it get deleted, and if so was there a specific reason why? -- [[User:SSgt LuLZ|SSgt LuLZ]] 19:54, 7 May 2017 (GMT)
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| :I can't find any evidence of it. Do you know who created it? Did you ever make any edits on it? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 08:37, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
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| ::I did remember once flipping through the page; it mentioned the various period revolvers used by Kanryu's goons and the Gatling Gun. But that was some time ago when I wasn't a member. -- [[User:SSgt LuLZ|SSgt LuLZ]] 21:02, 7 May 2017 (GMT)
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| == Colt "Snake" revolvers "Differences" page ==
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| Should we make a page for determining the differences between the [[Colt Diamondback]], the [[Colt Python]], and the [[Colt Anaconda]]? -[[User:SeptemberJack|SeptemberJack]] ([[User talk:SeptemberJack|talk]]) 18:50, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
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| :The case of Python vs Anaconda is already covered on [[Talk:Colt_Python#How_to_distinguish_a_Colt_Python_from_a_Colt_Anaconda|Python talk page]]. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 01:10, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
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| :: I don't think so. There are clear distinctions between all three if you observe closely enough - the trigger guard size/shape, overall size of the frame and cylinder, placement of the 'prancing pony' and screw position above the trigger guard, as well as finish in the case of the Anaconda. That said, there aren't many Diamondbacks or Anacondas seen in comparison to Pythons, which themselves aren't featured as heavily in recent years. I think ID pages (which I'm a bit divided about personally) are only warranted if we're talking many versions/variants of very similar models or a series of models that are all quite identical looking in appearance; pages on ARs and 1911s make it there, even SIGs. Three revolvers don't. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 02:21, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
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| == Please Help! ==
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| I wanted to make all my gun galleries proper gun galleries but exept for the first two I made a mess. How can I solve? --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 14:46, 17 May 2017 (EDT)
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| :You have '''/Gallery''' opening tag instead of proper '''Gallery'''. /Gallery is closing tag. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 14:56, 17 May 2017 (EDT)
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| : Thanks [[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]]
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| == Weird question... ==
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| --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 13:57, 19 May 2017 (EDT)
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| :Possibly yes, if it would appear on screen. Until then, it's pointless. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:56, 19 May 2017 (EDT)
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| ::I don't know if it meets the requirement of being a firearm. But we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:08, 19 May 2017 (EDT)
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| :I m pretty sure we already crossed the bridge. I seen it, just dont remember where...--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 12:21, 20 May 2017 (EDT)
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| ::If it appeared in something then it would be worth mentioning it in the page if for no other reason that people might think it was a real gun. However, I don't think it should get its own page as it is essentially a glorified laser pointer with a peculiar power source. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:16, 20 May 2017 (EDT)
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| == Please help ID pistol from Andy Sidaris movies ==
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| Could somebody help me to identify this pistol? It appears in several [[Andy Sidaris]] movies; [[Picasso Trigger]], [[Hard Ticket to Hawaii]] and [[Savage Beach]].
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| This pistol (never seen fired) keeps bugging me ever since I started putting up pages for Andy Sidaris movies, any suggestions would be very much appreciated! Cheers, [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 11:41, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
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| I've been trying to find this pistol with no luck, so I'd thought I'd write down some things I noticed to assist anyone.
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| *Rounded Trigger Guard
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| *Open-Top slide
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| *Rounded trigger (like the [[Beretta 92S]] but unlike the [[Colt M1911A1]])
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| *Partially cut-away grip/thumb rest
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| *Exposed hammer with back similar to the [[USP]]
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| *No visible safety but a visible slide lock
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| *Very high-profile front sight
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| *Closer to a full-size pistol
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| *Frame and aspects of the slide similar to the [[Beretta M1934]]
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| With all these characteristics, it makes me feel as if this gun is either a custom piece or a relatively obscure "cheap" clone. Good luck! -[[User:SeptemberJack|SeptemberJack]] ([[User talk:SeptemberJack|talk]]) 23:09, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
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| :Thanks for your analysis, my initial idea was indeed Beretta M1934 but the receiver on this pistol looks way different. My best guess is that it is some kind of toy gun, after all a 'Star Wars Blaster' (pimped-up Sterling SMG) is used as well in the same movie, [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 04:52, 27 May 2017 (EDT)
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| == Billy Campbell ==
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| Theres an american tv series you missed starring Billy Campbell and it use to be on the Syfy channel its called Helix and Billy Campbell uses a Glock 17 and an M4A1 assault rifle in it.
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| Could someone please add the sci fi tv series Helix to the imfdb.
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| == Main Page not Working? ==
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| Is this happening for anyone else? I'm getting this:<br/>
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| MediaWiki internal error.
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| Original exception: exception 'DBQueryError' with message 'A database error has occurred. Did you forget to run maintenance/update.php after upgrading? See: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#Run_the_update_script
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| Query:
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| FROM `imfdb_page`
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| WHERE page_is_new!=1 AND page_namespace=0 AND page_is_redirect=0 AND page_id!=1
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| Error: 1317 Query execution was interrupted (173.255.217.6)
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| ' in /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/db/Database.php:918
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| Stack trace:
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| #0 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/db/Database.php(885): DatabaseBase->reportQueryError('Query execution...', 1317, '?????SELECT????...', '', false)
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| #1 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/extensions/DynamicArticleList.php(191): DatabaseBase->query('?????SELECT????...')
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| #2 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/extensions/DynamicArticleList.php(78): genSQL('update', 8, false)
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| #3 [internal function]: DynamicArticleList('?title=Recently...', Array, Object(Parser), Object(PPTemplateFrame_DOM))
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| #4 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/parser/Parser.php(3736): call_user_func_array('DynamicArticleL...', Array)
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| #5 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/parser/Preprocessor_DOM.php(1110): Parser->extensionSubstitution(Array, Object(PPTemplateFrame_DOM))
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| #6 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/parser/Parser.php(3344): PPFrame_DOM->expand(Object(PPNode_DOM))
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| #7 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/parser/Preprocessor_DOM.php(1043): Parser->braceSubstitution(Array, Object(PPFrame_DOM))
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| #8 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/parser/Parser.php(2978): PPFrame_DOM->expand(Object(PPNode_DOM), 0)
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| #9 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/parser/Parser.php(1094): Parser->replaceVariables('{{Nav}}?<br/>?{...')
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| #10 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/parser/Parser.php(345): Parser->internalParse('{{Nav}}?<br/>?{...')
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| #11 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/WikiPage.php(2914): Parser->parse('{{Nav}}?<br/>?{...', Object(Title), Object(ParserOptions), true, true, 911151)
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| #12 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/PoolCounter.php(187): PoolWorkArticleView->doWork()
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| #13 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/Article.php(587): PoolCounterWork->execute()
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| #14 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/actions/ViewAction.php(40): Article->view()
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| #15 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/Wiki.php(484): ViewAction->show()
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| #16 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/Wiki.php(278): MediaWiki->performAction(Object(Article))
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| #17 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/Wiki.php(593): MediaWiki->performRequest()
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| #18 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/Wiki.php(503): MediaWiki->main()
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| #19 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/index.php(58): MediaWiki->run()
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| #20 {main}
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| Exception caught inside exception handler: exception 'DBConnectionError' with message 'DB connection error: Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 111 (173.255.217.6)' in /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/db/Database.php:746
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| Stack trace:
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| #0 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/db/DatabaseMysql.php(146): DatabaseBase->reportConnectionError(' Lost connectio...')
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| #1 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/db/DatabaseMysql.php(469): DatabaseMysql->open('173.255.217.6', 'imfdb_imfdb', 'h0rLINE', 'imfdb_imfdb')
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| #2 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/db/Database.php(868): DatabaseMysql->ping()
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| #3 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/db/Database.php(1358): DatabaseBase->query('SELECT page_id...', 'LinkBatch::doQu...')
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| #4 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/cache/LinkBatch.php(172): DatabaseBase->select('page', Array, '(page_namespace...', 'LinkBatch::doQu...')
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| #5 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/cache/LinkBatch.php(106): LinkBatch->doQuery()
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| #6 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/cache/LinkBatch.php(94): LinkBatch->executeInto(Object(LinkCache))
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| #7 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/Skin.php(211): LinkBatch->execute()
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| #8 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/Skin.php(186): Skin->preloadExistence()
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| #9 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/skins/Vector.php(31): Skin->initPage(Object(OutputPage))
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| #10 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/SkinTemplate.php(161): SkinVector->initPage(Object(OutputPage))
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| #11 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/OutputPage.php(1982): SkinTemplate->outputPage()
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| #12 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/Exception.php(182): OutputPage->output()
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| #13 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/Exception.php(209): MWException->reportHTML()
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| #14 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/Exception.php(490): MWException->report()
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| #15 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/Exception.php(569): MWExceptionHandler::report(Object(DBQueryError))
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| #16 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/includes/Wiki.php(506): MWExceptionHandler::handle(Object(DBQueryError))
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| #17 /var/www/imfdb.org/public/w/index.php(58): MediaWiki->run()
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| #18 {main}
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| <br/> I have no idea what's happening, so if someone could enlighten me? -[[User:SeptemberJack|SeptemberJack]] ([[User talk:SeptemberJack|talk]]) 16:59, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
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| ::Never mind, it's working now. Dunno what happened. -[[User:SeptemberJack|SeptemberJack]] ([[User talk:SeptemberJack|talk]]) 17:00, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
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| ::: I daresay there was a glitch/temporary setback/slight SNAFU with the server. Just my guess. I'm sure bunni had a moderate heart attack and then squared it back away. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 11:54, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
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| :::: I'm still having this problem when I try to access the main page without logging in. I have to go to a different page in order to access the login. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 22:10, 17 June 2017 (EDT)
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| ::::: It's an error in the DynamicArticleList extension that creates the 'Recently Updated' table. I'll have to trouble shoot this over the next few days as SQL isn't one of the languages I speak. Thanks for posting the stack trace, that was a huge help. --[[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]]) 00:39, 18 June 2017 (EDT)
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| :I'm having a slightly different problem, in that the "Latest" list is just this jumble of random text:
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| <DynamicArticleList showeditor=0> title=Recently Updated Articles type=update count=8 </DynamicArticleList> <DynamicArticleList showeditor=0> title=New Articles type=new count=8 </DynamicArticleList> <DynamicArticleList showtimestamp=0> title=Latest Discussions type=discussion count=8 </DynamicArticleList>
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| There's also just an empty space where the featured article is supposed to go. Does anybody have any ideas? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 11:08, 18 June 2017 (EDT)
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| I'm getting the featured article, but no recent changes, discussions, or new articles. I get that "Dynamic Article" thing too. weird...--[[User:H3nry8adger1982|H3nry8adger1982]] ([[User talk:H3nry8adger1982|talk]]) 12:25, 18 June 2017 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982
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| :Analogically. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 06:55, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
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| ::Yup, I'm getting the same error as well. --[[User:SpectralNova|SpectralNova]] ([[User talk:SpectralNova|talk]]) 16:50, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
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| :::What the hell is going on with the latest lists, I've been going on this site for 3 days straight and keep seeing that error about it. [[User:I'mallaboutguns.1|I'mallaboutguns.1]] ([[User talk:I'mallaboutguns.1|talk]]) 17:14, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
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| :::: Bunni said he's working on this. Please be patient. Thanks for getting the main page mostly working, though. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 17:21, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
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| :::::Ah poor Bunni! LOL. I figure that he has to deal with all the crashes and outages. I was just screwed because THIS LAST WEEKEND was the FIRST time in a very long time I had to pull up IMFDB to show to some producers and film editors what guns were used where to prove a point and ....... no IMFDB. Alas, Murphy's Law strikes again. I hope Bunni gets it back up 100% and he has my total support :D best to all [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 21:37, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
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| ::::::Yeah, Dynamic Article list isn't working for me either.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:38, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
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| I probably sound like a broken record, but has any progress been made? Or have we figured out the cause of the problem yet?--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|One shot is all it takes.]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 02:16, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
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| :Have you tried using the Recent Changes page? It's much more useful. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:57, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
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| It's BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK! -[[User:SeptemberJack|SeptemberJack]] ([[User talk:SeptemberJack|talk]]) 11:47, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
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