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Looks more like a Walther PP fullsize to me. I went frame-by-frame a while ago and the slide looked a bit too long for it to be a PPK. - Cyber 14 | Looks more like a Walther PP fullsize to me. I went frame-by-frame a while ago and the slide looked a bit too long for it to be a PPK. - Cyber 14 | ||
::Magazine. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] | ::Magazine. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] | ||
I've read that the Walther PP was actually issued to Mali Soldiers according to a citation from "Janes Infantry Weapons" --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:51, 10 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
==Kazims gun collection== | |||
[[Image:Saharabrowning.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Baby Browning?]] --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 23:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
Anyone else think the gun handling is very well-done? Not only do Al Giordino and everyone else re-load often, but when Al firt picks up the AK, he checks the magazine and chamber before firing. Of course, there ''was'' the whole anti-helecopter cannon scene but still.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 01:59, 14 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
I agree, the gun handling in the movie is exceptional. One bit that immediatly comes to mind is the shootout at the well in which Steve Zahn flips his rifle from his right to left hand in order to maximise the over at hand. And he does it seemlessly. | |||
-Double Agent M | |||
::It's SEAMLESSLY | |||
Any of you notice the major error by MoviePropMaster2008 on the revolver used by Kazim to kill Hopper? He states it was a S&W .44 that belonged to a General Sir Henry Watkins/Watkis (the accent the actor uses makes it hard to tell). An S&W .44 would have been used by a US General perhaps, but no US General would have been knighted, so MoviePropMaster2008 didn't do his research properly. General Sir Henry Watkis (1860-1931) was a General in the Indian Army (under British Colonial Rule) and would have had the standard British Military issue revolver, a Webley Revolver, which in some of it's variations look virtually identical to Kazim's revolver, which takes the exact calibre round Kazim states his revolver takes, .455 (also known as a Webley Round). Hopefully this little bit of proper research by a gun novice highlights that just because you think you know something, you might want to thouroughly check your facts before publishing things! | |||
-Taliesin79 | |||
:I'm confused, what exactly are you saying the problem is? Are you saying that the quoted dialogue is wrong? If so, what does he actually say (I do not own the film and have never seen it). And where are you getting the idea that the general is American, I can't see that anywhere. It is also not the case that all officers would use Webleys, they were allowed to purchase and use their own side-arms during this time period and many did. As for you calling somebody else out on not doing the research, this gun description wasn't written by MPM2008, it was written 7 years ago by GunnutHk with the wrong gun ID, the different ID was put forward by two anonymous users, and all MPM2008 did was replace the gun name with the other one. Lastly, sign your posts with the signature button on the edit window (or just type in <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) rather than just typing your name. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:35, 11 October 2016 (EDT) | |||
==UMP-9== | |||
I was watching the movie today, and it appears that one of Massarde's guards (the one patrolling the tunnel to the waste dump) carries a UMP-9 in some shots, in a possible continuity error as it looked like he was carrying a G36 in other shots. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 20:12, 26 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
== AK47 in Sahara (2005) == | |||
The AK47 rifle that Al Giordino uses in the desert battle looks similar to a WASR-3, but I believe it to actually be a Hungarian [[NGM-81]] in 5.56mm NATO. | |||
[[File:FEG-NGM 81.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Hungarian FEG NGM-81 with original PKM style flash hider - 5.56x45mm]] | |||
The "blonde" style furniture is much closer in appearance to Hungarian stocks than Romanian. Its generally grainless and yellow in color. Also, Hungarian AKs have a distinctive flair at the bottom back of the grip which is sometimes visible in the movie. - [[User:Lumpy196]]([[User talk:Lumpy196|Talk]]) 19:06, 13 July 2011 (UTC) | |||
== S&W or Webley? == | |||
==Smith & Wesson .44 Double Action?== | |||
Someone mentioned on Facebook that this revolver could be a [[Webley Revolver]]? Possible? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 19:07, 20 November 2016 (EST) | |||
[[File:MKIII.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Webley Mk III]] | |||
General Kazim ([[Lennie James]]) uses his ".455 caliber" [[Smith & Wesson .44 Double Action]] revolver to shoot W.H.O. Doctor Frank Hopper ([[Glynn Turman]]), Eva Roja's boss, with it. It is a Silver Smith & Wesson .44 Double Action with ornate engraving all over the pistol. Kazim mentions that the pistol was previously owned by "General Sir Henry Watkins" and that he must purchase custom loaded ammunition from Holland & Holland of England since the .455 rounds are so rare. Note that this model was not produced in .455 calibre. | |||
[[Image:Sw44da.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson .44 Double Action - .44 Russian]] | |||
[[Image:Sahara Webley 01A.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kazim ([[Lennie James]]) pulls out a pistol from a case and shoots Dr. Hopper. It is a Silver custom engraved Smith & Wesson Frontier Double Action chambered in .455 Webley.]] | |||
:Would be nice to have a better pic but that said, nah. The overall style and appearance of the gun, from the frame countours, break hinge, and top-strap - to the barrel, front sight, and hammer - all match the S&W and ''don't'' match the Webley. It should be noted however the notation about the caliber is a bit inaccurate; There were Euro-made copies that were chambered in .455 - Brits in fact used some of 'em back around WWI. Those guns do sport a bit of a different overall look though, which doesn't match this piece either - This is still a standard Smith-made post-Model 3 .44 DA. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 02:01, 21 November 2016 (EST) | |||
Latest revision as of 07:04, 21 November 2016
Walther
It is very unrealistic that he would have found a Walther PPK from a Malian soldier, and in reality it would probably have either been a Makarov PM or a PSM. I have heard other people say that the gun is a Makarov PM, but it doesn't look at all like it. As A PSM is Russian made, he could have gotten one in Mali, but look how he ejects the clip. The magazine release is on the side of the grip, while on the PSM it's on the butt. This pretty much proves that it's a PPK.--User: Colt Revolver Fan. Looks more like a Walther PP fullsize to me. I went frame-by-frame a while ago and the slide looked a bit too long for it to be a PPK. - Cyber 14
- Magazine. - Gunmaster45
I've read that the Walther PP was actually issued to Mali Soldiers according to a citation from "Janes Infantry Weapons" --AdAstra2009 02:51, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Kazims gun collection
--AdAstra2009 23:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Anyone else think the gun handling is very well-done? Not only do Al Giordino and everyone else re-load often, but when Al firt picks up the AK, he checks the magazine and chamber before firing. Of course, there was the whole anti-helecopter cannon scene but still.--Mandolin 01:59, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
I agree, the gun handling in the movie is exceptional. One bit that immediatly comes to mind is the shootout at the well in which Steve Zahn flips his rifle from his right to left hand in order to maximise the over at hand. And he does it seemlessly. -Double Agent M
- It's SEAMLESSLY
Any of you notice the major error by MoviePropMaster2008 on the revolver used by Kazim to kill Hopper? He states it was a S&W .44 that belonged to a General Sir Henry Watkins/Watkis (the accent the actor uses makes it hard to tell). An S&W .44 would have been used by a US General perhaps, but no US General would have been knighted, so MoviePropMaster2008 didn't do his research properly. General Sir Henry Watkis (1860-1931) was a General in the Indian Army (under British Colonial Rule) and would have had the standard British Military issue revolver, a Webley Revolver, which in some of it's variations look virtually identical to Kazim's revolver, which takes the exact calibre round Kazim states his revolver takes, .455 (also known as a Webley Round). Hopefully this little bit of proper research by a gun novice highlights that just because you think you know something, you might want to thouroughly check your facts before publishing things! -Taliesin79
- I'm confused, what exactly are you saying the problem is? Are you saying that the quoted dialogue is wrong? If so, what does he actually say (I do not own the film and have never seen it). And where are you getting the idea that the general is American, I can't see that anywhere. It is also not the case that all officers would use Webleys, they were allowed to purchase and use their own side-arms during this time period and many did. As for you calling somebody else out on not doing the research, this gun description wasn't written by MPM2008, it was written 7 years ago by GunnutHk with the wrong gun ID, the different ID was put forward by two anonymous users, and all MPM2008 did was replace the gun name with the other one. Lastly, sign your posts with the signature button on the edit window (or just type in ~~~~) rather than just typing your name. --commando552 (talk) 13:35, 11 October 2016 (EDT)
UMP-9
I was watching the movie today, and it appears that one of Massarde's guards (the one patrolling the tunnel to the waste dump) carries a UMP-9 in some shots, in a possible continuity error as it looked like he was carrying a G36 in other shots. -- K 98.118.59.151 20:12, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
AK47 in Sahara (2005)
The AK47 rifle that Al Giordino uses in the desert battle looks similar to a WASR-3, but I believe it to actually be a Hungarian NGM-81 in 5.56mm NATO.
The "blonde" style furniture is much closer in appearance to Hungarian stocks than Romanian. Its generally grainless and yellow in color. Also, Hungarian AKs have a distinctive flair at the bottom back of the grip which is sometimes visible in the movie. - User:Lumpy196(Talk) 19:06, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
S&W or Webley?
Smith & Wesson .44 Double Action?
Someone mentioned on Facebook that this revolver could be a Webley Revolver? Possible? --Ben41 (talk) 19:07, 20 November 2016 (EST)
General Kazim (Lennie James) uses his ".455 caliber" Smith & Wesson .44 Double Action revolver to shoot W.H.O. Doctor Frank Hopper (Glynn Turman), Eva Roja's boss, with it. It is a Silver Smith & Wesson .44 Double Action with ornate engraving all over the pistol. Kazim mentions that the pistol was previously owned by "General Sir Henry Watkins" and that he must purchase custom loaded ammunition from Holland & Holland of England since the .455 rounds are so rare. Note that this model was not produced in .455 calibre.
- Would be nice to have a better pic but that said, nah. The overall style and appearance of the gun, from the frame countours, break hinge, and top-strap - to the barrel, front sight, and hammer - all match the S&W and don't match the Webley. It should be noted however the notation about the caliber is a bit inaccurate; There were Euro-made copies that were chambered in .455 - Brits in fact used some of 'em back around WWI. Those guns do sport a bit of a different overall look though, which doesn't match this piece either - This is still a standard Smith-made post-Model 3 .44 DA. StanTheMan (talk) 02:01, 21 November 2016 (EST)