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Is that a 18 or a 20 inch barrel? And is it just me, or did it seem like he was firing it full auto at several points?--[[User:Sasquatch the Reaper|Sasquatch the Reaper]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch the Reaper|talk]]) 19:18, 19 February 2017 (EST)
Is that a 18 or a 20 inch barrel? And is it just me, or did it seem like he was firing it full auto at several points?--[[User:Sasquatch the Reaper|Sasquatch the Reaper]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch the Reaper|talk]]) 19:18, 19 February 2017 (EST)
:Firstly with the barrel length, it appears to be much less. bear in mind that the thing on the front will be an attached muzzle device, and if you look at the image below it looks like it is probably actually a 14.5" barrel:[[File:Deadshot AR barrel length.jpg|thumb|500px|none|red lines added for size reference]]As for it appearing to be full auto, that's because it is. If you look at the lower receiver above the selector you will see a pin. This pin is only present on auto lowers as it holds the auto sear, and this pin hole in the lower is illegal to have even if an auto sear isn't installed. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:42, 19 February 2017 (EST)
It actually seemed to me like in the movie the barrel was longer than 14.5". Of course that could be because of the angles, right?--[[User:Sasquatch the Reaper|Sasquatch the Reaper]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch the Reaper|talk]]) 20:09, 19 February 2017 (EST)
== Glock 30? ==
This was the best shot I could get. All I can tell is that it's a Glock of some sort. How can anyone tell of it's a Glock 30? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 23:39, 29 March 2017 (EDT)
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: Certainly looks like a subcompact-size Glock. I suppose that particular ID was based on the muzzle diameter, which I'll grant looks a bit big here, but as we know that's been misleading in the past, that said, even then it doesn't look quite big enough to be a .45 to me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 01:15, 30 March 2017 (EDT)
A few things, firstly, is it just me or does the UMP used by "Baby Face" look like it could actually be a G36C? Secondly, to me it looked like the Batman one had a Galil ACE 21 with a Meprolight sight (you see a more side on view of it at another point of the trailer, just after the goat face guy). Also, why are we calling them robbers? Are they stealing anything? To me it seemed more like they were either breaking the Joker out of Arkham or they were breaking in with him. In the UMP picture the windows look like prison/asylum ones with the metal mesh over the front and the decor seems to match. Also, the Panda is just visible in the last scene with the Joker where he is giving someone ECT and it looks like some kind of treatment room with medicince cabbinets in the background. My assumption is that this is a flashback for the creation of Harley Quinn, with normal Harleen Quinzell being seen wrestling with the Joker (same shot with the side on view of the Galil ACE), and also tied down to a table with a leather strap in her mouth, presumably during the ECT. --commando552 (talk) 14:41, 14 July 2015 (EDT)
So it's confirmed that Deadshot's guns are not a CMMG rifle and a Glock 34 MOS? Excalibur01 (talk) 21:29, 28 October 2015 (EDT)
Having seen some on set photos, it appears that Deadshot also carries two Glock 18s, holstered on the small of his back. His wrist guns are also Glocks, possibly 17s with the butt cut off and what I presume is a specially customised magazine that would hold about three or four rounds I'd guess. Damn he likes his Glocks! Tad overkill with the two 18s as well but oh well. Statichunter (talk)
I can't decide if the wrist guns are based on something real or not. On the pro side, the slides really look like Glocks and there is that black plate with the logo that looks like it may be the base plate of a specially shortened magazine (I doubt this is depicted as the magazine in the film, but rather the whole section along side the slide is a magazine). However on the con side, the gun on his right wrist has the ejection port and extractor on the wrong side of the slide. I am not aware of any "left handed" Glocks, so either this is a custom built slide or it is a prop. Anyone know of anybody making slides like this? --commando552 (talk) 10:57, 27 November 2015 (EST)
I've seen a little something about these on a few sites around the web as the trailers come out. Here's a good page on ScreenRant, hope it helps. --Caldwellb734 (talk) 17:20, 14 April 2016 (EDT)
Deadshots two Glocks are actually Zev Technologies Z17s. Slides are hex cut, frames have been modified for grip and have ZEV magwells. They also compensated and fitted these 17s with RMRs. Slides and frames were coated by Metalcraft manufacturing, all accessories were done by Zev Technologies.--Babblemk77 (talk) 15:20, 26 August 2016 (PST)
Deadshot's PDW AR-15 and other stuff from new trailer
I do not think that the new rifle that Deadshot is seen with is an HK416C as the barrel is too long, the stock is slightly different, you can't see the gas block, and it has a normal height receiver rather than the taller HK416 one. I believe that the stock is a Troy PDW one, and my guess is that it has been attached to some other rifle, possibly a DD Mk18, like this one.--commando552 (talk) 17:24, 20 January 2016 (EST)
Just some things
Since my OCD is bugging me about this, I have a few questions.
Why do you think Deadshot doesn't have iron sights on his main rifle? I know he's supposed to be the worlds greatest marksman, but it doesn't hurt to backup sights.
Also, is there any particular advantage to Flagg holding his rifle sideways (He is shown doing so), instead of a more traditional stance?
--Sasquatch the Reaper (talk) 10:48, 27 February 2016 (EST)
Deadshot has a backup sight, it is the red dot on top of his ACOG. As for Flagg holding the rifle sideways, the only time when you might ever shoot like this is if you had a back up iron sight that was mounted on the side or at 45 degrees, but I don't think that this is the case here. Potentially you might tilt the gun to the side like this if you want to look at something to get your sights out of the way, but my guess is that this is done in this case so that the sight isn't obscuring the actors face as much. --commando552 (talk) 12:48, 27 February 2016 (EST)
I'd buy that. What do you think Deadshot chambered his rifle in? 5.56 or maybe something else, like 6.5 Grendel? --Sasquatch the Reaper (talk) 13:39, 27 February 2016 (EST)
I can pretty much guarantee you that the real gun in the movie will be in 5.56x45mm, as there is no purpose chambering it in anything else, along with the fact that i think that both 6.5mm Grendel and 6.8mm SPC require special magazines, so not the PMAGs shown here. As for what the "real" Deadshot would use, TBH I would assume it would be 5.56x45mm. 5.56x45mm has the advantages of being lighter to carry and fitting more rounds in a magazine, but more importantly for a criminal assassin it is far more available, cheaper, and harder to link to an individual. --commando552 (talk) 16:38, 27 February 2016 (EST)
Maybe it's just I kinda find it odd that a sniper would use 5.56 in his rifle. But that might just be me.--Sasquatch the Reaper (talk) 16:47, 27 February 2016 (EST)
Seeing as we never see him doing any sniping in any of the trailers, I don't think we can really assume that this is meant to be a sniping rifle. The optic choice is also wrong for a sniper rifle and he has no bipod. Maybe in this incarnation he isn't really a "sniper", or perhaps it is just that this mission doesn't call for a sniper rifle (there are fighting in streets and inside buildings in what we have seen after all).--commando552 (talk) 05:40, 28 February 2016 (EST)
Other than round count because the shape is a bit different, regular mags will fit 6.8. Though it hasn't been the "hotness round" ever since the .300 blackout took over and apparently staying strong. Also remember that Deadshot the character is a very versatile hitman who is known to never miss and can hit you from anywhere using anything, even his wrist guns and like a professional, he doesn't always hit people from far away with a sniper rifle, hence his wrist guns. Excalibur01 (talk) 22:36, 27 February 2016 (EST)
You can fit both 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel into a 5.56 magazine, but neither will reliably function. Due to the wider case width after loading about 8 rounds the magazine body will be forced apart to the point where it bulges and will not fit properly in the magazine well reliably. Also due to this you get a lot of binding on the cartridges and along with the incorrect feed lips you would get a lot of failures to feed. I think that the follower has to be different as well, with cartridges tending to nose dive with the original. Special 6.8 SPC magazines differ primarily in reshaped feed lips, a new anti tilt follower, and reducing the thickness of the metal and depth of the ribs to give enough room for the cartridges to stack well enough that they will not bind too badly. --commando552 (talk) 05:40, 28 February 2016 (EST)
Also remember, these are actors. No matter how much training you give them, sometimes during a scene, they forget to do certain things or they just do what they want because they are just pretending and not doing it in any real sense. Only a few actors ever fully took advantage of their training and was completely into the rules of how to handle a gun. I remember another recent movie, Furious 7, where Djimon Hounsou's character held an AK with a laser on the end and "aimed" it sideways almost like it's some kind of technique but it isn't any that I know of and I've trained with rifles. The first time I've seen a character do a sorta tilt was way back before there were angled sights in the game Metal Gear Solid 4 (At least at the time, I didn't see such a thing as angled sights. Excalibur01 (talk) 22:41, 27 February 2016 (EST)
Deadshot's wrist guns
Ok, my OCD is bugging me a bit about this too.
How exactly would something like Deadshot's wrist guns work? Does he have a controller or something to press when he wants to fire them? I know that they're magazine fed, and that he's got backup mags for them. But how would he eject the empty magazines? --Sasquatch the Reaper (talk) 18:27, 1 May 2016 (EDT)
I think in the comics it has been mentioned how they are fired on occasion, something like a button inside the glove. Aiming isn't a problem, he has an augmented reality type thing going on with the eyepiece. As for changing the magazines, firstly, in the comics I'm not sure if he has actually ever done this. They are always depicted as having a lot of ammo, in the more classic versions the magazine tended to wrap around his wrist. My theory about the movie guns is that they acould be real Glocks (or possibly only the left one) and have a short magazine for scenes where they want a real cycling/ejecting effect (if I'm correct, the base plate of the magazine is that black plate on the side of the guns with the logo on). The thing is though that I don't think this is meant to be the magazine, instead the long gold/red part parallel to gun is the magazine and it stores the rounds like a P90. He doesn't have any spares of this that I can see, so my guess is that they store enough rounds that he doesn't reload them. Or perhaps this reservoir can be topped up from the other Glock magazine he has. Also, why do you think ejecting magazine would be a problem, I imagine it would work much the same as changing the magazine on a pistol. In fact it would probably be easier as your hands are empty. --commando552 (talk) 20:14, 1 May 2016 (EDT)
Well, if they are actually Glocks, I'm not sure how he'd be able to press the ejecting button, since one of them (The one on his left hand) is facing downwards. With the one on his right hand, I could see how, since it's facing outwards. But my theory on that is that the same button or switch he uses to fire might also be used to eject the mags once he's empty.
Maybe they'll go into more details once the movie comes out. --Sasquatch the Reaper (talk) 21:56, 1 May 2016 (EDT)
If they are Glocks they could be Gen 4s which have reversible mag releases. Mr. Wolf (talk) 22:18, 1 May 2016 (EDT)
I think that what a standard Glock does is kind of irrelevant, as I think that the whole "frame" of these is custom. I think the "in universe" magazine release catch is meant to be that gold catch-looking thing on the side of the non-slide half, but am not sure if this would be the magazine release on a practical prop as it is slightly too far away form the slide to line up with a Glock magazine release. That being said, it would be relatively trivial to either have this exterior catch linked to an interior catch in a different position or to just cut a new notch in the magazines. Also, if you look at the Empire cover for Deadshot you can see that this gold catch appears to be flush on the right hand gun, but for the one on his left wrist the catch protrudes out looking more like an operational part. I think it may be possible that only the left gun is real, I think that this is the only one we see practically firing in the trailers and this is the one that doesn't have a mirrored slide. The only info I can find about these guns is the following quote by prop designer Taku Dazai: "One of the more involved projects I have worked on. We designed and built from the ground up the practical working wrist guns for Deadshot. All design work, CAD renderings, machining, assembly, finishing and powder coating was done between Walter Klassen FX and Movie Armaments Group. We also built the custom fore end on his carbine." This implies that they are practical blank firing, especially the fact that an armourer was involved. --commando552 (talk) 05:39, 2 May 2016 (EDT)
They just released a load of promo images for this film including this one:
The plate on the side of the guns has been replaced with a Glock magazine so I think we can assume that these are built from Glocks, or possibly replicas. If they are Glocks, that means that Deadshot is armed with 5 Glocks in total. --commando552 (talk) 19:49, 22 July 2016 (EDT)
I just noticed that in this image you can also see the Glock slide hold open notch. Something else that caught my eye in this picture, is it just me or does the pistol visible in the small of his back have a slide mounted fire selector making it a Glock 18? On the topic of Glocks, Waller also carries one. I also think that there may be some Tasers in the left side thigh holsters here, but not sure about that one. --commando552 (talk) 20:01, 22 July 2016 (EDT)
Yep, that's a Glock 18. I'd noticed him firing a full-auto handgun in one of the trailers/clips, but wasn't sure if it was just a FA Glock 17 or not. I'm really not sure how he's supposed to use 1 rifle, 3 handguns, and 2 wrist guns, but i'm going to find out.--Mandolin (talk) 22:07, 22 July 2016 (EDT)
Joker's 1911
The Joker's 1911 is being displayed as part of the ‘DC Universe: The Exhibit’ at the WB studio, and there are a couple of pics here (above view and side on view). Anybody want to venture an opinion as to what it might be? My thinking is that it is a Colt Gold Cup Trophy (earlier model gun with the "duckbill" grip safety tang rather than the extended grip safety with beavertail that is on the current production Trophies). Anyone else have an opinion? --commando552 (talk) 16:15, 19 May 2016 (EDT)
In what way do you think the slide and sights are wrong? To reiterate, I think that this is a Trophy, not a National Match. It could be a custom SA but a lot of parts would have to be changed, whereas the Trophy already has the correct sights, trigger, hammer, and flat mainspring housing. The only difference that I can see to this gun is the chequering on the back-strap is a different style, but firstly I believe that this changed over time, and secondly the pictured gun is likely a replica/stunt gun so this is the sort of thing that would be simplified. --commando552 (talk) 07:06, 20 May 2016 (EDT)
Okay, never seen a Gold Cup Trophy, mistook you saying a National Match, sorry. It matches 99%, even the thumb safety matches. Mr. Wolf (talk) 20:17, 20 May 2016 (EDT)
Deleted scenes
I might need to rewatch the movie, but I'm sure a lot of the trailer shots we have are now in deleted scenes Excalibur01 (talk) 17:52, 10 August 2016 (EDT)
Just from memory I think that most of them are still in the film, but there are a few exceptions that I remember. I think the shot where he is dual firing his Glock 18s is deleted, Joker showing up at the finale is deleted so the flashbang and the image of him holding his pistol are gone, and I might be wrong about this but I don't remember Common holding the Colt in the nightclub scene so that may be from a deleted/alternate take. I think the rest of the images are from the final cut though. --commando552 (talk) 19:35, 10 August 2016 (EDT)
Common definitely doesn't hold the Joker's pistol in the final cut.--Quarax (talk) 20:01, 10 August 2016 (EDT)
HK416s are A5s
The 416s used in the movie are A5s. There's a weapon featurette on the blu-ray and in one shot of a close-up of Flag's and one of the SEALs' HK416s, the slanted magwells and ambi bolt catches are clearly visible. In addition, I found a pic of Flag's 416 and in it you can see the longer receiver rail. Spartan198 (talk) 22:04, 21 December 2016 (EST)
Are we allowed to post those images here? Excalibur01 (talk) 14:37, 23 December 2016 (EST)
If the owners are putting them up on Instagram, so I figured they probably wouldn't have a problem with it. I put the 416 up to kind of "test the waters." I could always email them and ask permission, if you think that would be preferable. Spartan198 (talk) 18:19, 23 December 2016 (EST)
Deadshot's cheer leading tryout
I just watched this scene again and I noticed that Flag actually had his gun out the whole time, The moment they removed the restraints off Deadshot, he drew his gun (which he had his hand on the entire time) and had it hidden under his elbow the whole time when he crossed his arms together acting all cool. He kept it under there even when Deadshot threatened the warden. I think that's a nice touch for the character. Still a shitty movie but these little moments tell us that there's a good movie in here. Excalibur01 (talk) 18:09, 16 January 2017 (EST)
Deadshot's AR
Is that a 18 or a 20 inch barrel? And is it just me, or did it seem like he was firing it full auto at several points?--Sasquatch the Reaper (talk) 19:18, 19 February 2017 (EST)
Firstly with the barrel length, it appears to be much less. bear in mind that the thing on the front will be an attached muzzle device, and if you look at the image below it looks like it is probably actually a 14.5" barrel:Error creating thumbnail: File missingred lines added for size referenceAs for it appearing to be full auto, that's because it is. If you look at the lower receiver above the selector you will see a pin. This pin is only present on auto lowers as it holds the auto sear, and this pin hole in the lower is illegal to have even if an auto sear isn't installed. --commando552 (talk) 19:42, 19 February 2017 (EST)
It actually seemed to me like in the movie the barrel was longer than 14.5". Of course that could be because of the angles, right?--Sasquatch the Reaper (talk) 20:09, 19 February 2017 (EST)
Glock 30?
This was the best shot I could get. All I can tell is that it's a Glock of some sort. How can anyone tell of it's a Glock 30? --Funkychinaman (talk) 23:39, 29 March 2017 (EDT)
Certainly looks like a subcompact-size Glock. I suppose that particular ID was based on the muzzle diameter, which I'll grant looks a bit big here, but as we know that's been misleading in the past, that said, even then it doesn't look quite big enough to be a .45 to me. StanTheMan (talk) 01:15, 30 March 2017 (EDT)
