Talk:Never Say Die: Difference between revisions
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(Created page with "==A Few corrections== #Is that Uzi meant to be the same gun? If so, I think there is a continuity error as I am pretty sure that the gun in the first shot is a Mini whilst the...")
#With the last unidentified rifle, I would probably suggest jsut calling it a chopped IMI Romat. The handguard, heatshield and charging handle all seem to match a Romat, and as for the magazine to me this looks like it is a straight 30 rounder and the slenderness is just an optical illusion caused by the lighting and extreme angle.
#With the last unidentified rifle, I would probably suggest jsut calling it a chopped IMI Romat. The handguard, heatshield and charging handle all seem to match a Romat, and as for the magazine to me this looks like it is a straight 30 rounder and the slenderness is just an optical illusion caused by the lighting and extreme angle.
--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:22, 29 January 2017 (EST)
--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:22, 29 January 2017 (EST)
:Thanks for help!
#The movie is filled with continuity errors, so it's very possible that the same character wield different versions of Uzi. I agree, the first gun is a Mini.
#Again I agree, as I recently came across a promo image of [[Billy Drago]] with "AK", and this is Vektor without any doubt. I'll add it to the page.
#Don't know if South African armourers could get a genuine USAF M16 so maybe it would be more safe to identify it as custom AR-15. As far as I know, upper and lower receivers are interchangeable, right? The second version of AR-15 could be Sporter II, it seems to have a heavy barrel that is also a sight of Sporter II.
#Just minutes before I read your comment, I came to same conclusion about supposed Romat. :)
- [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 06:35, 29 January 2017 (EST)
::With the first M16, the problem is that it has a slickside upper. The only full size rifles that have this are M16s and SP1s. If it is an SP1 upper, the problem is that the pin hole in the upper receiver is of a larger size with a slightly different centre, meaning that if you wanted to fit a SP1 upper onto a full fence lower you would have to use an offset bushing in the upper receiver hole, or weld the hole up and re drill it with the correct size and location. It is probably best to just call this gun an M16 and note that it has a full fence lower. Also, something to bear in mind with Colt is that the military model numbers like the 604 for the USAF M16 were not reused on export weapons, Colt used different model numbers for this. I believe the equivalent export model of a 604 would be the 614, like this one:[[File:Colt Model 614.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Colt Model 614 - 5.56x45mm. This is an export variant of the M16, and is equivalent to the Model 604 used by the USAF.]]This weapon was not used by the US military but was a commercial weapon designed only for export and is essentially identical to to later (post M16A1 introduction) Model 604s like [https://bpullignwolnet.dotster.com/retroblackrifle/sitebuilder/images/DF-ST-85-11719-453x367.jpg this one] with the exception of the markings which identify it as a Model 614 rather than an M16. Some Countries did actually buy this particular variant, I believe that Singapore was one and they also built them locally under license. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:47, 29 January 2017 (EST)
:::Thanks, I got it. Page fixed. If any rewording is needed, feel free to change the description. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 14:07, 29 January 2017 (EST) P.S. A new bit of knowledge on M16s, and really interesting! [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 14:07, 29 January 2017 (EST)
Latest revision as of 19:07, 29 January 2017
A Few corrections
Is that Uzi meant to be the same gun? If so, I think there is a continuity error as I am pretty sure that the gun in the first shot is a Mini whilst the other two are full size. If you look at the guys support hand his little finger is touching the trigger guard but the front of his hand is hanging off of the handguard onto the barrel nut, and if you compare this to the other two your will see that there is extra room on the handguard.
As for the AKs, I think that all of the guns labelled as AKMSs may be modded Vektors as well. In the first image it looks like it has the 5.56 magazine, and in the close-ups of it firing it looks like the bottom of the receiver has the Vektor shape (note the little bit of daylight that is visible ahead of the magazine which would be the receiver on a real AK). The last gun obviously has a 7.62 mag, but I think this may be a stunt gun as the magazine looks too long and skinny, and it looks like the whole weapon is curved like it is made of rubber.
With the ARs, the first one has a slickside upper with a full fence lower, and the only real gun that had this was the later model USAF M16s (Colt Model 604). As for the 2nd one, I'm not 100% but I assume that the lower on that is a Sporter rather than a military slabside, and with a forward assist this would be a AR-15A2 Sporter II (Colt Model R6500).
With the last unidentified rifle, I would probably suggest jsut calling it a chopped IMI Romat. The handguard, heatshield and charging handle all seem to match a Romat, and as for the magazine to me this looks like it is a straight 30 rounder and the slenderness is just an optical illusion caused by the lighting and extreme angle.
The movie is filled with continuity errors, so it's very possible that the same character wield different versions of Uzi. I agree, the first gun is a Mini.
Again I agree, as I recently came across a promo image of Billy Drago with "AK", and this is Vektor without any doubt. I'll add it to the page.
Don't know if South African armourers could get a genuine USAF M16 so maybe it would be more safe to identify it as custom AR-15. As far as I know, upper and lower receivers are interchangeable, right? The second version of AR-15 could be Sporter II, it seems to have a heavy barrel that is also a sight of Sporter II.
Just minutes before I read your comment, I came to same conclusion about supposed Romat. :)
With the first M16, the problem is that it has a slickside upper. The only full size rifles that have this are M16s and SP1s. If it is an SP1 upper, the problem is that the pin hole in the upper receiver is of a larger size with a slightly different centre, meaning that if you wanted to fit a SP1 upper onto a full fence lower you would have to use an offset bushing in the upper receiver hole, or weld the hole up and re drill it with the correct size and location. It is probably best to just call this gun an M16 and note that it has a full fence lower. Also, something to bear in mind with Colt is that the military model numbers like the 604 for the USAF M16 were not reused on export weapons, Colt used different model numbers for this. I believe the equivalent export model of a 604 would be the 614, like this one:Error creating thumbnail: File missingColt Model 614 - 5.56x45mm. This is an export variant of the M16, and is equivalent to the Model 604 used by the USAF.This weapon was not used by the US military but was a commercial weapon designed only for export and is essentially identical to to later (post M16A1 introduction) Model 604s like this one with the exception of the markings which identify it as a Model 614 rather than an M16. Some Countries did actually buy this particular variant, I believe that Singapore was one and they also built them locally under license. --commando552 (talk) 13:47, 29 January 2017 (EST)
Thanks, I got it. Page fixed. If any rewording is needed, feel free to change the description. Greg-Z (talk) 14:07, 29 January 2017 (EST) P.S. A new bit of knowledge on M16s, and really interesting! Greg-Z (talk) 14:07, 29 January 2017 (EST)
