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==Additional== | |||
[[File:AlienCovenant-DanielswithAUGA3BTS.jpg|thumb|none|450px|In a behind-the-scenes picture released by ''Empire'', Ridley Scott gives direction to Daniels ([[Katherine Waterston]]), who's holding the modified Thales F90.]] | |||
[[File:AlienCovenant-DanielswithAUGA3Promo.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Daniels ([[Katherine Waterston]]) with an F90 in a picture released by ''Entertainment Weekly''.]] | |||
==Trailer== | ==Trailer== | ||
The trailer's out, but they released it at 12 a.m. for me, so I'm not watching it until tomorrow. I'll update the page with any new weapons/info if no one else does by the time I get around to watching it.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 04:20, 25 December 2016 (EST) | The trailer's out, but they released it at 12 a.m. for me, so I'm not watching it until tomorrow. I'll update the page with any new weapons/info if no one else does by the time I get around to watching it.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 04:20, 25 December 2016 (EST) | ||
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Im not expecting phased plasma rifles, then again, maybe im giving it much thought but i'll be enjoying the movie despite shortcomings like this.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 17:22, 25 December 2016 (EST) | Im not expecting phased plasma rifles, then again, maybe im giving it much thought but i'll be enjoying the movie despite shortcomings like this.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 17:22, 25 December 2016 (EST) | ||
:The AR-15 has worked well for the last 5 years why would it stop working well for the next 90 years?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:08, 25 December 2016 (EST) | :The AR-15 has worked well for the last 5 years why would it stop working well for the next 90 years?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:08, 25 December 2016 (EST) | ||
: Doesn't almost everything today get replaced eventually? We are humans that are programmed to evolve, though there's this saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it", while it is true i think ppl will have to move on and try new things. Look at what happened to (for example and in your honor) the AK-47, what happened with it? That it got replaced by the 74m within the russian military and subsequently; only third world insurgents make use of it because it's cheap, easy to use, easy to manufacture and reliable. And that's why Terrorists can't advance. But yeah, imo i think its better to make technological progress over the years than to get stuck in the past, using outdated guns and shit.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 18:55, 25 December 2016 (EST) | ::Doesn't almost everything today get replaced eventually? We are humans that are programmed to evolve, though there's this saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it", while it is true i think ppl will have to move on and try new things. Look at what happened to (for example and in your honor) the AK-47, what happened with it? That it got replaced by the 74m within the russian military and subsequently; only third world insurgents make use of it because it's cheap, easy to use, easy to manufacture and reliable. And that's why Terrorists can't advance. But yeah, imo i think its better to make technological progress over the years than to get stuck in the past, using outdated guns and shit.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 18:55, 25 December 2016 (EST) | ||
:::Is that AUG she's carrying around supposed to look like the Thales F90? Would be interesting to get some info on that.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 19:13, 25 December 2016 (EST) | :::Is that AUG she's carrying around supposed to look like the Thales F90? Would be interesting to get some info on that.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 19:13, 25 December 2016 (EST) | ||
::::I think that AUG is an actual Thales F90. Its got the trigger guard, rail system, and rectangular cutouts on the stock to match.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 13:32, 26 December 2016 (EST) | ::::I think that AUG is an actual Thales F90. Its got the trigger guard, rail system, and rectangular cutouts on the stock to match.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 13:32, 26 December 2016 (EST) | ||
:::I mean, there are lots of old guns that continue to be used despite their age. The Colt M1911, Browning M2 & M1919, and many bolt-action designs (Mauser 98, Lee-Enfield, Mosin-Nagant) have been in use for longer than 90 years and are still going strong. The Weyland Corporation isn't a national military force, so it's completely believable that they outfit their security units with older guns. Plus, we only see the AR-15 variants in a very brief and dark shot in the trailer, so it's possible they just used them as a background prop and not trying to imply they actually use them (in the same guise that the original Alien had tons of AR-15s and L85s in storage.) --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 15:30, 26 December 2016 (EST) | |||
Looking closer at it, the AUG looks like an actual Thales. Might want to wait until we get some better shots of it before we change the entry.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:41, 26 December 2016 (EST) | |||
== Please help ID == | |||
Please help with these weapons. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 15:41, 27 December 2016 (EST) | |||
[[File:AlienC 250.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A security officer at the right holds the rifle.]] | |||
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Looks like some kind of shotgun (remington 870 maybe) with an AR stock on pics 2,3,4 and 6. Nice to see that they're using mlok in the future.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:02, 27 December 2016 (EST) | |||
Definitely some kinda shotgun. And while I'm acutely aware of the 'requirement' for screenshots, I do believe there was some shot of a shotgun rack in the scene where Ledward's Neomorph rampages around the dropship. -Ft763 | |||
Found a better pic of the shotgun. | |||
[[File:Alien_covenant_shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px| ]] | |||
This one DEFINITELY makes it easier to recognise the weapon. | |||
[[File:Alien_covenant-shotgun1.jpg|thumb|none|600px| ]] | |||
== BTS video about the weapons == | |||
Tested just posted a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhJQSUwcHEs BTS video about the weapons] that is worth a watch. Firstly, it confirms that the rifles are actaully real EF88/F90 rifles as the armourer talks about how it is the future weapon of the Australian Army and how they were lucky enough to get them straight from the factory. He also states that the extended rail on them is a custom job made from 3D printed aluminium. The pistols are Tanfoglios, I believe [https://www.tanfoglio.com.au/c/121/gold-match.html Gold Match] models. Still not sure about what the ARs are specifically, and there is also another variant shown that is the one in the trailer with the green laser which is fitted with an Elcan Specter. I feel like I recognise this second one, I'm fairly sure it is piston gun based on the chunky gas block, possibly a DPMS? I think the handguard is a Leapers UTG PRO for this gun, not sure about the whitish one on the longer AR. Based on the fact that it appears to be bare aluminium I am tempted to say that it might be custom built. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:45, 3 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
== Just Saw It == | |||
Among the things I saw (that haven't already been discussed) are Berettas (I think that they were M9A1s, but I'm not sure), some UBGLs on a couple of the rifles (the one on one of the odd ARs was most likely one of those stubby KAC M203s, but the one on the F90 is a mystery), the shotguns seem to be Mossberg 500s, and there's Daniel's unidentified flare gun/grenade launcher. Thoughts? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 19:57, 21 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
Just saw it myself. In regards to the flair gun I'm pretty sure you meant used by David, Daniels is a completely different character. I agree about the berettas, though I feel like they were stainless. Also Daniels had a handgun of some kind (possibly another Beretta), you don't ever get to long of a look at it but I had a Smith & Wesson feeling, though I'm probably just imagining that. Beyond that I think you mentioned just about everything. There was mostly various forms of AR-15s, the Thales, various shotguns, and the Berettas. Tennessee used what I think was a shotgun at the end but not quite certain, don't remember if he ever ended up shooting it (don't think he did).--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|One shot is all it takes.]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 02:55, 22 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 21:53, 31 December 2018
Additional
Trailer
The trailer's out, but they released it at 12 a.m. for me, so I'm not watching it until tomorrow. I'll update the page with any new weapons/info if no one else does by the time I get around to watching it.--Quarax (talk) 04:20, 25 December 2016 (EST) It's the year 2104 and they still use "antique" weapons like AR-15s and AUGs, i don't know, it may seem lazy to me but Aliens had pretty much WAY more convincing weaponry that looked both cool-looking and realistically possible to manufacture, that and the fact that they were based over real WWII firearms plus fired caseless ammunition.
Im not expecting phased plasma rifles, then again, maybe im giving it much thought but i'll be enjoying the movie despite shortcomings like this.--Death Shadow20 (talk) 17:22, 25 December 2016 (EST)
- The AR-15 has worked well for the last 5 years why would it stop working well for the next 90 years?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 18:08, 25 December 2016 (EST)
- Doesn't almost everything today get replaced eventually? We are humans that are programmed to evolve, though there's this saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it", while it is true i think ppl will have to move on and try new things. Look at what happened to (for example and in your honor) the AK-47, what happened with it? That it got replaced by the 74m within the russian military and subsequently; only third world insurgents make use of it because it's cheap, easy to use, easy to manufacture and reliable. And that's why Terrorists can't advance. But yeah, imo i think its better to make technological progress over the years than to get stuck in the past, using outdated guns and shit.--Death Shadow20 (talk) 18:55, 25 December 2016 (EST)
- Is that AUG she's carrying around supposed to look like the Thales F90? Would be interesting to get some info on that.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 19:13, 25 December 2016 (EST)
- I mean, there are lots of old guns that continue to be used despite their age. The Colt M1911, Browning M2 & M1919, and many bolt-action designs (Mauser 98, Lee-Enfield, Mosin-Nagant) have been in use for longer than 90 years and are still going strong. The Weyland Corporation isn't a national military force, so it's completely believable that they outfit their security units with older guns. Plus, we only see the AR-15 variants in a very brief and dark shot in the trailer, so it's possible they just used them as a background prop and not trying to imply they actually use them (in the same guise that the original Alien had tons of AR-15s and L85s in storage.) --Sergeant Simpleton (talk) 15:30, 26 December 2016 (EST)
- Doesn't almost everything today get replaced eventually? We are humans that are programmed to evolve, though there's this saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it", while it is true i think ppl will have to move on and try new things. Look at what happened to (for example and in your honor) the AK-47, what happened with it? That it got replaced by the 74m within the russian military and subsequently; only third world insurgents make use of it because it's cheap, easy to use, easy to manufacture and reliable. And that's why Terrorists can't advance. But yeah, imo i think its better to make technological progress over the years than to get stuck in the past, using outdated guns and shit.--Death Shadow20 (talk) 18:55, 25 December 2016 (EST)
Looking closer at it, the AUG looks like an actual Thales. Might want to wait until we get some better shots of it before we change the entry.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 15:41, 26 December 2016 (EST)
Please help ID
Please help with these weapons. --Ben41 (talk) 15:41, 27 December 2016 (EST)
Looks like some kind of shotgun (remington 870 maybe) with an AR stock on pics 2,3,4 and 6. Nice to see that they're using mlok in the future.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 16:02, 27 December 2016 (EST)
Definitely some kinda shotgun. And while I'm acutely aware of the 'requirement' for screenshots, I do believe there was some shot of a shotgun rack in the scene where Ledward's Neomorph rampages around the dropship. -Ft763
Found a better pic of the shotgun.
This one DEFINITELY makes it easier to recognise the weapon.
BTS video about the weapons
Tested just posted a BTS video about the weapons that is worth a watch. Firstly, it confirms that the rifles are actaully real EF88/F90 rifles as the armourer talks about how it is the future weapon of the Australian Army and how they were lucky enough to get them straight from the factory. He also states that the extended rail on them is a custom job made from 3D printed aluminium. The pistols are Tanfoglios, I believe Gold Match models. Still not sure about what the ARs are specifically, and there is also another variant shown that is the one in the trailer with the green laser which is fitted with an Elcan Specter. I feel like I recognise this second one, I'm fairly sure it is piston gun based on the chunky gas block, possibly a DPMS? I think the handguard is a Leapers UTG PRO for this gun, not sure about the whitish one on the longer AR. Based on the fact that it appears to be bare aluminium I am tempted to say that it might be custom built. --commando552 (talk) 11:45, 3 May 2017 (EDT)
Just Saw It
Among the things I saw (that haven't already been discussed) are Berettas (I think that they were M9A1s, but I'm not sure), some UBGLs on a couple of the rifles (the one on one of the odd ARs was most likely one of those stubby KAC M203s, but the one on the F90 is a mystery), the shotguns seem to be Mossberg 500s, and there's Daniel's unidentified flare gun/grenade launcher. Thoughts? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 19:57, 21 May 2017 (EDT)
Just saw it myself. In regards to the flair gun I'm pretty sure you meant used by David, Daniels is a completely different character. I agree about the berettas, though I feel like they were stainless. Also Daniels had a handgun of some kind (possibly another Beretta), you don't ever get to long of a look at it but I had a Smith & Wesson feeling, though I'm probably just imagining that. Beyond that I think you mentioned just about everything. There was mostly various forms of AR-15s, the Thales, various shotguns, and the Berettas. Tennessee used what I think was a shotgun at the end but not quite certain, don't remember if he ever ended up shooting it (don't think he did).--One shot is all it takes. (talk) 02:55, 22 May 2017 (EDT)