Talk:Red Dead Redemption II: Difference between revisions
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Talk:Red Dead Redemption II: Difference between revisions
Could be I started this a little early since it won't be released until next fall. Based on the poster they released the only other discernible firearm is possibly a pair of Colt 1860's carried by the 2nd character from the right.--[[User:Eighteen98|Eighteen98]] ([[User talk:Eighteen98|talk]]) 21:16, 12 December 2016 (EST)
Could be I started this a little early since it won't be released until next fall. Based on the poster they released the only other discernible firearm is possibly a pair of Colt 1860's carried by the 2nd character from the right.--[[User:Eighteen98|Eighteen98]] ([[User talk:Eighteen98|talk]]) 21:16, 12 December 2016 (EST)
==Spring 2018==
So Rockstar just announced that the game is delayed until next year but they did drop some new [http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/60210/Red-Dead-Redemption-2-Is-Now-Coming-Spring-2018?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=newswire&utm_content=rdr2-05222017 images] including a good shot of some revolvers.--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 16:10, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
[[Smith & Wesson No. 3]]s, same as in the first one. Screenshots there also show a Single Action Army and Spencer 1860. I expect most of the weapons from RDR to return. I think the available screenshots are enough to start a ''proper'' page for this game, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:16, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
:My bad, S&W Model 3s ''are'' Schofields. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:19, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
:Oh man, some of those screenshots, especially of the forest, look gorgeous. They've seriously got some top notch environmental artists on their payroll.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 00:23, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
== New page ==
Since we have some ''actual'' guns to identify now, I've recreated the main page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:19, 14 June 2017 (EDT)
== Trailer 2 ==
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F63h3v9QV7w --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 13:21, 29 September 2017 (EDT)
== Rifle ID ==
Bill Williamson is holding a rifle in this cap, but it's hard to make out because of the lighting.
:More likely a Krag or some such, look at the cocking piece near his thumb. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 14:10, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
::Yeah, I think you're right. I was confused by what looked like a cleaning rod sticking out underneath the barrel (which none of the Krags pictured had), but looking more closely, it appears to be some kind of graphical error. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:09, 3 October 2017 (EDT)
== New revolver confirmed ==
The Double Action revolver from the first game is confirmed to be coming [http://www.eurogamer.net/amp/2017-12-18-you-can-already-unlock-a-gun-in-red-dead-redemption-2-by-playing-gta-online back] --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 11:08, 19 December 2017 (EST)
:Been bugging me, the Double Action Revolver would be the Colt New Army and Navy so why the link to the New Service? [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 16:55, 25 March 2018 (EDT)
::There's no page for the M1892.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:36, 25 March 2018 (EDT)
:::I didn't M1892 I said Colt New Army and Navy which the M1892 falls under as a government order which for the purposes of gameplay and story would be unnecessary because the commercial model of it is the New Army and Navy. The M1892 is just a military adoption of the Colt New Army and Navy, which does have a page. That's why I was wondering why the link is to a different revolver. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 17:42, 25 March 2018 (EDT)
== Trailer 3 + fresh articles with images ==
This is the site with the images, a few of which have the Jorg-Kraggson rifle from the first game, the spencer carbine, some sort of repeater (probably the henry) and some sort of shotgun
:I'm like 90% sure I saw a Winchester Model 1897 shotgun in that trailer. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 12:55, 3 May 2018 (EDT)
::They're reusing the preexisting properties from RDR so I don't think there'll be much in the way of new weapons probably just variations on existing ones to save resources. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 19:06, 3 May 2018 (EDT)
I have a repeater here.
[[File:RDR 2 First Look 36.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
I'm leaning toward a Henry, but I wanted to get some opinions. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:56, 23 May 2018 (EDT)
:It's a Henry, the lack of fore-end and the clear to see twist barrel prove it. Let's hope they figured out that that thing under the gun is the magazine follower and it moves. Also you see the receiver in the same picture that shows the Carcano, it's hanging muzzle down over the pommel of the saddle. I knew they were using the preexisting resources and properties, let's hope they re-skin that Carcano to something a bit more accurate to the time huh? [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 22:04, 25 May 2018 (EDT)
==New Gameplay video==
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw_oH5oiUSE
Those are some nicely detailed weapon animations.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 12:55, 9 August 2018 (EDT)
:I'm probably wrong but during the segment about the camp system I think a saw a cap and ball colt in Arthur's holster. There was also a browning auto 5 later on --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 16:53, 9 August 2018 (EDT)
:I haven't watched the trailer yet (I'm knee-deep in ''[[Sicario]]'' right at the moment), but I will later and if there's anything worth capping, I'll do so unless someone else wants to go ahead and do so. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:34, 11 August 2018 (EDT)
There's a new sniper rifle.
[[File:RDR2-Sniper-Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
Rolling Block Carbine?
[[File:Remington Model 1867 Rolling Block Carbine.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Remington Model 1867 Rolling Block Carbine - .50-45]]
[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 20:46, 13 August 2018 (EDT)
:Rolling Block Rifle same as the first game. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 21:54, 13 August 2018 (EDT)
::It seems that the all guns will just return from the first game. It is worth noting that in this case it will be more correct than there. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:23, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
== Best gun detail of any Rockstar game yet? ==
You can see the detail right down to the file marks here: https://i.imgur.com/wLeXIwv.jpg [[User:brasco|brasco]]
:From everything I've read online, this game seems like Rockstar's most detailed depiction of firearms in their history.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 21:17, 20 September 2018 (EDT)
::Maybe in terms of detail, but they're really foregoing the historical accuracy in this one. The Browning M1917 returns (so it would appear ALL (if not most) of Redemption's weapons are going to return.). Could have made it a Maxim 1895, but oh well. -[[User:1morey]] September 21, 2018 6:23 PM (EST)
:::Did you see the screenshot that is now on the game page? The machine gun has been re-modeled and it now has spade grips and what appears to be the fusee spring cover on the left side. Considering these details, the designers must intend it to be a Maxim and not a Browning.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:33, 22 September 2018 (EDT)
::The fact that they have weapons jamming, weapon degradation from mud and water exposure, and separate buttons for firing and recocking weapons just make me super excited. I hated how weak and unimpactful the guns in GTAV felt.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 02:36, 22 September 2018 (EDT)
:::It will be really cheap, if they just transfer all the weapons from the previous game. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:10, 21 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, some new weapons would be nice. I would like to see a couple different bolt actions instead of just the Krag.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 20:33, 22 September 2018 (EDT)
::::I just want a Burgess shotgun that I can whip out from under a duster and blast miscreants with.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 08:45, 21 September 2018 (EDT)
== Gameplay Trailer #2 ==
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb-tlY6ytk8
Finally get to see some first person perspective gameplay.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 23:56, 1 October 2018 (EDT)
== Is it a Browning or is it a Maxim? ==
The page states the Browning 1917 was replaced by the Maxim 1895 for the new game, however the models look almost identical unless I'm missing something?
--[[User:Brasco|Brasco]] ([[User talk:Brasco|talk]]) 14:19, 2 October 2018 (EDT)
:This is Maxim. But the tripod is from Browning. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 16:10, 2 October 2018 (EDT)
::The RDR2 model has the distinctive spring box of the Maxim. --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 17:59, 2 October 2018 (EDT)
:::The RDR2 model has the rotating cocking handle on the right side of the gun, whereas Browning is a straight pull.
==Borchardt C93 confirmed==
[[File:Red Dead Redemption II-Borchardt C93.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
== New weapon ==
One of the pre-order incentives includes a rifle dubbed ingame as the "Lancaster Varmint Rifle". (looks to be a small caliber muzzleloader): https://i.redd.it/m1thsegj01o11.jpg (Not the shotgun, but the other long gun on Arthur's back) - [[User:1morey]] October 3, 2018 3:48 PM (EST)
:Looks like some flavor of generic single shot .22 rifle that would've been more common than dirt in 1899 given everyone and their mother were making some subvariation of that basic idea. Given the name "Lancaster", I'll guess it's some ersatz version of Winchester and thus would be some variation of Winchester single shots you might be able to somewhat narrow down on. -- [[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 5 October, 2018 22:02 (EST)
== High Roller Double action revolver ==
[[File:Hiroller.jpg|thumb|none|500px||]]
A PS4 exclusive what model is this supposed to be?--[[User:Brasco|Brasco]] ([[User talk:Brasco|talk]]) 21:08, 5 October 2018 (EDT)
:It looks like just an engraved version of the same Colt M1892 New Army & Navy Revolver. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 21:24, 5 October 2018 (EDT)
--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 11:31, 12 October 2018 (EDT)
==Weapons speculation==
So it was announced there will be over 50 weapons in the game, which means there should be quite a large selection of new firearms to use. The interesting thing is that the available screenshots and video only show weapons that were already in the previous game. Other than the mention of the "Lancaster Varmint Rifle", Rockstar have given no indication what the new firearms will be. There are quite a few possibilities. Winchester 1887, Burgess, & Spenser shotguns. For rifles, Winchester 1895, Savage 1899, Remington-Keene, Remington-Lee, Winchester-Hotchkiss, Mauser, Winchester 1890 and Colt Lightning. I'm not sure which pistols could be added, but the Colt Lightning, Remington 1875/1890, and Browning 1899 are possible choices. Maybe we could even see the 1895 Colt Machine gun? Of course a portion of the new weapons will be for melee, but I would think the majority will be firearms. Anyway, I hope at least some of what I listed appear in the game.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 23:53, 18 October 2018 (EDT)
== Partial Weapons list leaked ==
Check it out while you can because this leak might disappear soon:
https://ibb.co/m4xvaq
--[[User:Brasco|Brasco]] ([[User talk:Brasco|talk]]) 19:06, 22 October 2018 (EDT)
:Mauser C96, what looks like a Winchester 1890, Springfield Trapdoor Rifle, Krag-Jorgensen Rifle, Spencer 1860 Carbine, Winchester Model 1866 Yellowboy Carbine, Henry Rifle, Double Barreled Hammer Shotguns and a Sawed off double. Looks like Lancaster is the in universe equivalent of Winchester and they're calling the Henry a Litchfield. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 20:43, 22 October 2018 (EDT)
::Those are all already confirmed weapons, not a big surprise here. --[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 20:50, 22 October 2018 (EDT)
:There was a video on YouTube(now since taken down) that appeared to show every weapon listed in the guide, and it was kind of disappointing. A large number of the 50 weapons are of the thrown or melee variety. Only two new firearms have been added, the Winchester 1890 & Winchester 1887. In fact, weapons from the previous game have been cut from RDR2. The Lemat, Evans, Sharps, & FN Pistol are gone. The FN getting axed isn't really a surprise but I thought the others would be carried over. The weapon count was also inflated by having 2 or 3 different versions of one gun, but classifying each one as a separate and unique. When I read there would be over 50 weapons I thought for sure there would be a wide array of firearms, but instead this is rather deceptive and there are actually less than before. Hopefully more will be added with DLC.-- [[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] ([[User talk:Phillb36|talk]]) 22:52, 23 October 2018 (EDT)
==Lackluster weapons==
I really wished there were more weapons like the Colt Double action Lightning, Remington revolvers, Mauser Rifles, Mosin Nagant, early Lee Enfields, Martini Henry, etc. All we got are every single weapon from the first game and 2 of them are now anachronistic. At least they made the C96 accurate and not a fully automatic pistol [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 18:17, 7 November 2018 (EST)
I would have liked a Marlin 1895. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 20:32, 30 December 2018 (EST)
== Weapons ==
So I saw a youtube video where a Old West enthusiast brought up seven different things he noticed in RDR II, and how accurate they were to the time (mainly focusing on clothing, the holster, weapons, and saddles.)
I brought up the fact that the Winchester 1866 seems to be an odd choice as the primary repeater in 1899. And I got a reply saying that actually, most repeaters were incredibly expensive for most people, and that people still carried percussion rifles or revolvers by the turn of the 20th century. I found that rather hard to believe. Not to say that no one did, but to say that the common person was carrying a percussion weapon by the time 1900 rolled through seems a bit of a stretch. - [[User:1morey]] November 24, 2018 9:06 PM (EST)
:First, thanks for sharing the video with us, very helpful. Second, nobody is gonna throw away a perfectly good weapon just because they have an opportunity to spent a months pay or more on a new one. Percussion caps, gunpowder and lead are cheaper than loaded cartridges and always have been, then there's the question of where to get more ammo when you need it. Just about any store dealing in firearms or general goods would stock lead, powder and caps not your new cartridge that might fail commercially or even stop being produced as did happen to a number of them over time. Lastly the percussion guns were readily available and cheap due to their continuous production since the 1830's, due to that unless you felt a need to own the latest thing and the financial means to do so you'd use what you had until it could not be used anymore.
:Cartridge firearms were introduced in the 1850's but weren't successful until the late 1860's early 1870's by 1900 most people could afford to have a cartridge gun, most not all, the poor generally had to use what was cheapest and easiest to get and supply ammunition for. The percussion guns were still around and being used because a bullet is a bullet and healthcare was still primitive enough that just about any bullet would kill. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 23:58, 24 November 2018 (EST)
::Thanks for the explanation. I was always under the impression that the common person (not necessarily the destitute) owned some kind of cartridge firearm. Don't know the economics of that time, but I have rarely (if ever) seen a photo taken in the 1880s-1890s of a person with a percussion firearm (On the flipside, I have seen a photo dated 1913 (I believe) with a sheriff of some unnamed town carrying a Luger in his holster). I understand the few surviving photos of that period aren't indicative of the entire population of the American west as a whole. - [[User:1morey]] November 25, 2018 9:43 AM (EST)
Do not forget that in many countries (such as the USSR), some poor people used percussion guns even in the 20th century. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 10:33, 25 November 2018 (EST)
Kind of ties in with this discussion. Many American ammo companies manufactured black powder cartridges into the 1930's! To include some old cartridges such as the 50 caliber Spencer and the Winchester 44 Rimfire. It was the demands of World War II that brought about the demise of those old cartridges. After the war ended shooters wanted newer calibers and black powder became the domain of hobbyists. But ,until then, there were still many older firearms being carried and used by everyday people. My gun safe is full of firearms that were made over sixty and seventy years ago. They are in great shape and are more than capable of doing the job if necessary. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] ([[User talk:Jcordell|talk]]) 22:39, 27 January 2019 (EST)
Actually, I just want to add that such a formulation is initially incorrect. It is expected that guns that have been manufactured for a long time will be found much more often than newer ones, especially introduced several years ago. Especially considering the reliable design of M1866 at a rather low price (if I remember correctly, its production constantly continued at the request of many, because of this). --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 18:18, 8 July 2020 (EDT)
==Pressing trigger again to cock gun==
I found it annoying really fast that your character no longer auto cocks a gun after every shot. This made me shoot twice during fights and actually has been throwing off my aim. I understand how in the real world, most of these guns are lever actions, and pump action that requires you to actually do it, but this is a game and I don't remember the previous Red Dead doing this. I also understand why long guns not chambered back in the day would be a standard practice but why in the hell is the bolt action, a very advanced rifle, of the period not already cocked when it has all 5 rounds loaded? They animate you working the bolt on the Krag every time you take it off your shoulder. The only gun that doesn't do that is the Auto-5 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:20, 25 November 2018 (EST)
I'm also calling bullshit on weapon progression. The lever action shotgun should not be unlocked after you get the Auto-5. It should be either before or after the pump action. Same with the Henry rifle because by the time you unlock it, you'd have gotten the bolt action Krag. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 17:33, 25 November 2018 (EST)
If anything, the Henry should be the second repeater unlocked after the Spencer, since the Winchester was designed to be an improvement over the Henry. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 20:34, 7 March 2019 (EST)
== Springfield Rifle ==
I think the Springfield Rifle is actually based on either the 1884 model or the 1888 model as it has the ramrod bayonet that appeared on those rifles. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 12:29, 6 December 2018 (EST)
== Quirks in the weapon animations ==
I'm not going to even mention the absurdly quick reloads, but I noticed some animation errors on first person view:
*The Mauser C96 having a double action trigger on the first trigger pull. As I am aware, this should not be possible.
*The animation for using the Spencer repeater seems reversed. I thought you had to cock the hammer before racking the lever, now it's vice versa.
*When operating the 1960 Henry the character must hold the carbine very gingerly, since he doesn't seem to really move his hand to make room for the follower.
*The double barrel shotguns, shortened or not, seem to have ejectors. (Anachronistic?)
*If the Auto-5 wasn't anachronistic enough, it has a push button safety on the rear of the trigger guard instead of the early suicide safety, the magazine cutoff is wrongly modeled, a ribbed barrel that was introduced in the 1920s is available as customization option and it has the speed-load mechanism from the 1950s and onwards.
*Somehow slowly turning the wheel won't fire the gatling gun, but once you crank it fast enough it starts firing.
:And it seems to me, or when Spencer reloading from the first person Morgan takes out a devastated magazine, changes it with a new one ... and inserts the old one again? --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 16:07, 11 December 2018 (EST)
::The thing that is pulled out of the Spencer stock is not a conventional tube magazine. It's more like a follower. The rounds are loaded into the stock individually, and then the follower would be inserted back into the stock in order to push the cartridges from the stock into the chamber. The game depicts the way that cavalrymen in the civil war would've loaded it. They carried several tubes full of seven rounds and they would remove the follower from the stock, dump the rounds from the tube into the stock and replace the follower. The empty tube would then be placed aside. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 12:39, 19 December 2018 (EST)
:::What was the civil watching? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:50, 25 February 2020 (EST)
::::Old reruns of Dateline NBC. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 11:23, 11 July 2020 (EDT)
:::::Why don't you have a seat right over there? --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 14:12, 11 July 2020 (EDT)
Not an animation, but something I wish Rockstar had taken into consideration was the common practice of loading only five rounds in the SAA due to its habit of discharging if pressure was applied to the hammer on a loaded chamber even when uncocked. If I'm not mistaken, this "quirk" wasn't corrected until some time in the 1990s. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 23:59, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
:I thought that was usually alleviated by carrying it half-cocked, or on one of the rest notches between chambers on the back of the cylinder (on the guns that had them). Besides, I can certainly see why the devs wouldn't implement something like that - it'd be rather annoying to see 6 available chambers but only have your character use 5. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 00:13, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
== High Roller and Ace Hanlon's SAA ==
I honestly don't see the resemblance at all. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:34, 18 March 2019 (EDT)
:I have to agree; the patterns don't resemble each other at all. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 18:28, 18 March 2019 (EDT)
== Left-handed animations ==
Interestingly, the game has [https://youtu.be/BKdBahNQ0WE left-handed animations] that appear under a very specific set of circumstances. They are all fully animated with no weapon mirroring magic (the bolt action rifle for example has Arthur move his right hand back to pull the bolt). Pretty cool for something that is almost never seen. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 04:29, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
:Hot damn, they even animated Arthur moving his trigger finger from the left trigger to the right trigger on the double barrel shotgun! Never noticed that before.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 05:08, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
== Elephant Rifle ==
A new gun was added in RDO a few months ago: the [https://reddead.fandom.com/wiki/Elephant_Rifle Elephant Rifle]. Although I'm surprised no one has even mentioned it or added it to the page, I'm not really surprised at the same time. RDO is kinda forsaken. --[[User:Dan San|Dan San]] ([[User talk:Dan San|talk]]) 18:20, 10 September 2020 (EDT)
:I mean, play RDO all the time with friends, it's one of my main games, but I don't have a clue what it really is, definitely outside my area of expertise. :P [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 19:11, 10 September 2020 (EDT)
::It looks like a scaled up Stevens 311 to me. [[File:Savage-Stevens-311-Shotgun.jpg|none|thumb|500px|]] [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 19:50, 10 September 2020 (EDT)
::Yeah, I agree with Paddy's ID. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 20:45, 10 September 2020 (EDT)
:::Undoubtedly, the gun that came out in 1940 (okay 1920, as the Springfield 5000) should be that, and be called a rifle.
:::(no)
::: --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 07:31, 11 September 2020 (EDT)
::::Maybe it's a [[Bentley and Playfair Double Rifle]], judging by the shape of the receiver and grip. It looks like one at least.<br>[[File:470 Bentley and Playfair double rifle.jpg|none|thumb|450px]] --[[User:Dan San|Dan San]] ([[User talk:Dan San|talk]]) 14:42, 18 September 2020 (EDT)
== Jonathan Ferguson of the Royal Armouries on RDR2's weapons ==
I just happened across [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB50Li6czys this video] that went up a few days ago, definitely figured everyone else around here would want to see it.
Latest revision as of 00:13, 18 November 2022
How do you edit titles? I'm asking because seeing "Red Dead Redemption" written as "Red dead redemption" irritates the living hell out of my OCD. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 20:18, 12 December 2016 (EST)
==Delete it and start again is the fastest way MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 20:21, 12 December 2016 (EST)
Yeah sorry about that, took me about 15 minutes to figure it out but I fixed it. Thanks for the heads up.
Is there even a trailer available? --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:53, 12 December 2016 (EST)
Yeah, a trailer dropped October 20. Blew up the internet. There weren't any super good shots of weapons, but here's what I saw:
A man walking a horse with a deer on its back is holding some kind of carbine (like a full size Spencer or Springfield Trapdoor that was cut down or something).
A man leaning against a stagecoach looking at vultures pecking at a coyote corpse is holding what looks like a double-barreled shotgun.
A gunfighter is holding a Winchester rifle.
A shot of seven riders shows them with Colt SAAs, one with a Henry rifle, and one with a sawed-off shotgun.
Could be I started this a little early since it won't be released until next fall. Based on the poster they released the only other discernible firearm is possibly a pair of Colt 1860's carried by the 2nd character from the right.--Eighteen98 (talk) 21:16, 12 December 2016 (EST)
So Rockstar just announced that the game is delayed until next year but they did drop some new images including a good shot of some revolvers.--SeanWolf (talk) 16:10, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
Smith & Wesson No. 3s, same as in the first one. Screenshots there also show a Single Action Army and Spencer 1860. I expect most of the weapons from RDR to return. I think the available screenshots are enough to start a proper page for this game, though. Spartan198 (talk) 17:16, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
My bad, S&W Model 3s are Schofields. Spartan198 (talk) 17:19, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
Oh man, some of those screenshots, especially of the forest, look gorgeous. They've seriously got some top notch environmental artists on their payroll.--Aidoru (talk) 00:23, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
New page
Since we have some actual guns to identify now, I've recreated the main page. Spartan198 (talk) 08:19, 14 June 2017 (EDT)
Carcano M91 Long? Spartan198 (talk) 13:34, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
More likely a Krag or some such, look at the cocking piece near his thumb. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 14:10, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
Yeah, I think you're right. I was confused by what looked like a cleaning rod sticking out underneath the barrel (which none of the Krags pictured had), but looking more closely, it appears to be some kind of graphical error. Spartan198 (talk) 09:09, 3 October 2017 (EDT)
New revolver confirmed
The Double Action revolver from the first game is confirmed to be coming back --Slemke1998 (talk) 11:08, 19 December 2017 (EST)
Been bugging me, the Double Action Revolver would be the Colt New Army and Navy so why the link to the New Service? Black Irish Paddy (talk) 16:55, 25 March 2018 (EDT)
There's no page for the M1892.--AgentGumby (talk) 17:36, 25 March 2018 (EDT)
I didn't M1892 I said Colt New Army and Navy which the M1892 falls under as a government order which for the purposes of gameplay and story would be unnecessary because the commercial model of it is the New Army and Navy. The M1892 is just a military adoption of the Colt New Army and Navy, which does have a page. That's why I was wondering why the link is to a different revolver. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 17:42, 25 March 2018 (EDT)
I'm like 90% sure I saw a Winchester Model 1897 shotgun in that trailer. --PyramidHead (talk) 12:55, 3 May 2018 (EDT)
They're reusing the preexisting properties from RDR so I don't think there'll be much in the way of new weapons probably just variations on existing ones to save resources. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 19:06, 3 May 2018 (EDT)
I'm leaning toward a Henry, but I wanted to get some opinions. Spartan198 (talk) 13:56, 23 May 2018 (EDT)
It's a Henry, the lack of fore-end and the clear to see twist barrel prove it. Let's hope they figured out that that thing under the gun is the magazine follower and it moves. Also you see the receiver in the same picture that shows the Carcano, it's hanging muzzle down over the pommel of the saddle. I knew they were using the preexisting resources and properties, let's hope they re-skin that Carcano to something a bit more accurate to the time huh? Black Irish Paddy (talk) 22:04, 25 May 2018 (EDT)
I'm probably wrong but during the segment about the camp system I think a saw a cap and ball colt in Arthur's holster. There was also a browning auto 5 later on --Slemke1998 (talk) 16:53, 9 August 2018 (EDT)
I haven't watched the trailer yet (I'm knee-deep in Sicario right at the moment), but I will later and if there's anything worth capping, I'll do so unless someone else wants to go ahead and do so. Spartan198 (talk) 19:34, 11 August 2018 (EDT)
Rolling Block Rifle same as the first game. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 21:54, 13 August 2018 (EDT)
It seems that the all guns will just return from the first game. It is worth noting that in this case it will be more correct than there. --Slon95 (talk) 08:23, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
From everything I've read online, this game seems like Rockstar's most detailed depiction of firearms in their history.--Aidoru (talk) 21:17, 20 September 2018 (EDT)
Maybe in terms of detail, but they're really foregoing the historical accuracy in this one. The Browning M1917 returns (so it would appear ALL (if not most) of Redemption's weapons are going to return.). Could have made it a Maxim 1895, but oh well. -User:1morey September 21, 2018 6:23 PM (EST)
Did you see the screenshot that is now on the game page? The machine gun has been re-modeled and it now has spade grips and what appears to be the fusee spring cover on the left side. Considering these details, the designers must intend it to be a Maxim and not a Browning.--Phillb36 (talk) 20:33, 22 September 2018 (EDT)
The fact that they have weapons jamming, weapon degradation from mud and water exposure, and separate buttons for firing and recocking weapons just make me super excited. I hated how weak and unimpactful the guns in GTAV felt.--Aidoru (talk) 02:36, 22 September 2018 (EDT)
It will be really cheap, if they just transfer all the weapons from the previous game. --Slon95 (talk) 08:10, 21 September 2018 (EDT)
Yeah, some new weapons would be nice. I would like to see a couple different bolt actions instead of just the Krag.--Phillb36 (talk) 20:33, 22 September 2018 (EDT)
I just want a Burgess shotgun that I can whip out from under a duster and blast miscreants with.--AgentGumby (talk) 08:45, 21 September 2018 (EDT)
The page states the Browning 1917 was replaced by the Maxim 1895 for the new game, however the models look almost identical unless I'm missing something?
One of the pre-order incentives includes a rifle dubbed ingame as the "Lancaster Varmint Rifle". (looks to be a small caliber muzzleloader): https://i.redd.it/m1thsegj01o11.jpg (Not the shotgun, but the other long gun on Arthur's back) - User:1morey October 3, 2018 3:48 PM (EST)
Looks like some flavor of generic single shot .22 rifle that would've been more common than dirt in 1899 given everyone and their mother were making some subvariation of that basic idea. Given the name "Lancaster", I'll guess it's some ersatz version of Winchester and thus would be some variation of Winchester single shots you might be able to somewhat narrow down on. -- PaperCake 5 October, 2018 22:02 (EST)
So it was announced there will be over 50 weapons in the game, which means there should be quite a large selection of new firearms to use. The interesting thing is that the available screenshots and video only show weapons that were already in the previous game. Other than the mention of the "Lancaster Varmint Rifle", Rockstar have given no indication what the new firearms will be. There are quite a few possibilities. Winchester 1887, Burgess, & Spenser shotguns. For rifles, Winchester 1895, Savage 1899, Remington-Keene, Remington-Lee, Winchester-Hotchkiss, Mauser, Winchester 1890 and Colt Lightning. I'm not sure which pistols could be added, but the Colt Lightning, Remington 1875/1890, and Browning 1899 are possible choices. Maybe we could even see the 1895 Colt Machine gun? Of course a portion of the new weapons will be for melee, but I would think the majority will be firearms. Anyway, I hope at least some of what I listed appear in the game.-- Phillb36 (talk) 23:53, 18 October 2018 (EDT)
Partial Weapons list leaked
Check it out while you can because this leak might disappear soon:
https://ibb.co/m4xvaq
Mauser C96, what looks like a Winchester 1890, Springfield Trapdoor Rifle, Krag-Jorgensen Rifle, Spencer 1860 Carbine, Winchester Model 1866 Yellowboy Carbine, Henry Rifle, Double Barreled Hammer Shotguns and a Sawed off double. Looks like Lancaster is the in universe equivalent of Winchester and they're calling the Henry a Litchfield. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 20:43, 22 October 2018 (EDT)
Those are all already confirmed weapons, not a big surprise here. --AgentGumby (talk) 20:50, 22 October 2018 (EDT)
There was a video on YouTube(now since taken down) that appeared to show every weapon listed in the guide, and it was kind of disappointing. A large number of the 50 weapons are of the thrown or melee variety. Only two new firearms have been added, the Winchester 1890 & Winchester 1887. In fact, weapons from the previous game have been cut from RDR2. The Lemat, Evans, Sharps, & FN Pistol are gone. The FN getting axed isn't really a surprise but I thought the others would be carried over. The weapon count was also inflated by having 2 or 3 different versions of one gun, but classifying each one as a separate and unique. When I read there would be over 50 weapons I thought for sure there would be a wide array of firearms, but instead this is rather deceptive and there are actually less than before. Hopefully more will be added with DLC.-- Phillb36 (talk) 22:52, 23 October 2018 (EDT)
Lackluster weapons
I really wished there were more weapons like the Colt Double action Lightning, Remington revolvers, Mauser Rifles, Mosin Nagant, early Lee Enfields, Martini Henry, etc. All we got are every single weapon from the first game and 2 of them are now anachronistic. At least they made the C96 accurate and not a fully automatic pistol Excalibur01 (talk) 18:17, 7 November 2018 (EST)
I would have liked a Marlin 1895. Spartan198 (talk) 20:32, 30 December 2018 (EST)
Weapons
So I saw a youtube video where a Old West enthusiast brought up seven different things he noticed in RDR II, and how accurate they were to the time (mainly focusing on clothing, the holster, weapons, and saddles.)
I brought up the fact that the Winchester 1866 seems to be an odd choice as the primary repeater in 1899. And I got a reply saying that actually, most repeaters were incredibly expensive for most people, and that people still carried percussion rifles or revolvers by the turn of the 20th century. I found that rather hard to believe. Not to say that no one did, but to say that the common person was carrying a percussion weapon by the time 1900 rolled through seems a bit of a stretch. - User:1morey November 24, 2018 9:06 PM (EST)
First, thanks for sharing the video with us, very helpful. Second, nobody is gonna throw away a perfectly good weapon just because they have an opportunity to spent a months pay or more on a new one. Percussion caps, gunpowder and lead are cheaper than loaded cartridges and always have been, then there's the question of where to get more ammo when you need it. Just about any store dealing in firearms or general goods would stock lead, powder and caps not your new cartridge that might fail commercially or even stop being produced as did happen to a number of them over time. Lastly the percussion guns were readily available and cheap due to their continuous production since the 1830's, due to that unless you felt a need to own the latest thing and the financial means to do so you'd use what you had until it could not be used anymore.
Cartridge firearms were introduced in the 1850's but weren't successful until the late 1860's early 1870's by 1900 most people could afford to have a cartridge gun, most not all, the poor generally had to use what was cheapest and easiest to get and supply ammunition for. The percussion guns were still around and being used because a bullet is a bullet and healthcare was still primitive enough that just about any bullet would kill. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 23:58, 24 November 2018 (EST)
Thanks for the explanation. I was always under the impression that the common person (not necessarily the destitute) owned some kind of cartridge firearm. Don't know the economics of that time, but I have rarely (if ever) seen a photo taken in the 1880s-1890s of a person with a percussion firearm (On the flipside, I have seen a photo dated 1913 (I believe) with a sheriff of some unnamed town carrying a Luger in his holster). I understand the few surviving photos of that period aren't indicative of the entire population of the American west as a whole. - User:1morey November 25, 2018 9:43 AM (EST)
Do not forget that in many countries (such as the USSR), some poor people used percussion guns even in the 20th century. --Slon95 (talk) 10:33, 25 November 2018 (EST)
Kind of ties in with this discussion. Many American ammo companies manufactured black powder cartridges into the 1930's! To include some old cartridges such as the 50 caliber Spencer and the Winchester 44 Rimfire. It was the demands of World War II that brought about the demise of those old cartridges. After the war ended shooters wanted newer calibers and black powder became the domain of hobbyists. But ,until then, there were still many older firearms being carried and used by everyday people. My gun safe is full of firearms that were made over sixty and seventy years ago. They are in great shape and are more than capable of doing the job if necessary. --Jcordell (talk) 22:39, 27 January 2019 (EST)
Actually, I just want to add that such a formulation is initially incorrect. It is expected that guns that have been manufactured for a long time will be found much more often than newer ones, especially introduced several years ago. Especially considering the reliable design of M1866 at a rather low price (if I remember correctly, its production constantly continued at the request of many, because of this). --Slon95 (talk) 18:18, 8 July 2020 (EDT)
Pressing trigger again to cock gun
I found it annoying really fast that your character no longer auto cocks a gun after every shot. This made me shoot twice during fights and actually has been throwing off my aim. I understand how in the real world, most of these guns are lever actions, and pump action that requires you to actually do it, but this is a game and I don't remember the previous Red Dead doing this. I also understand why long guns not chambered back in the day would be a standard practice but why in the hell is the bolt action, a very advanced rifle, of the period not already cocked when it has all 5 rounds loaded? They animate you working the bolt on the Krag every time you take it off your shoulder. The only gun that doesn't do that is the Auto-5 Excalibur01 (talk) 10:20, 25 November 2018 (EST)
I'm also calling bullshit on weapon progression. The lever action shotgun should not be unlocked after you get the Auto-5. It should be either before or after the pump action. Same with the Henry rifle because by the time you unlock it, you'd have gotten the bolt action Krag. Excalibur01 (talk) 17:33, 25 November 2018 (EST)
If anything, the Henry should be the second repeater unlocked after the Spencer, since the Winchester was designed to be an improvement over the Henry. Spartan198 (talk) 20:34, 7 March 2019 (EST)
Springfield Rifle
I think the Springfield Rifle is actually based on either the 1884 model or the 1888 model as it has the ramrod bayonet that appeared on those rifles. --SmithandWesson36 (talk) 12:29, 6 December 2018 (EST)
Quirks in the weapon animations
I'm not going to even mention the absurdly quick reloads, but I noticed some animation errors on first person view:
The Mauser C96 having a double action trigger on the first trigger pull. As I am aware, this should not be possible.
The animation for using the Spencer repeater seems reversed. I thought you had to cock the hammer before racking the lever, now it's vice versa.
When operating the 1960 Henry the character must hold the carbine very gingerly, since he doesn't seem to really move his hand to make room for the follower.
The double barrel shotguns, shortened or not, seem to have ejectors. (Anachronistic?)
If the Auto-5 wasn't anachronistic enough, it has a push button safety on the rear of the trigger guard instead of the early suicide safety, the magazine cutoff is wrongly modeled, a ribbed barrel that was introduced in the 1920s is available as customization option and it has the speed-load mechanism from the 1950s and onwards.
Somehow slowly turning the wheel won't fire the gatling gun, but once you crank it fast enough it starts firing.
And it seems to me, or when Spencer reloading from the first person Morgan takes out a devastated magazine, changes it with a new one ... and inserts the old one again? --Slon95 (talk) 16:07, 11 December 2018 (EST)
The thing that is pulled out of the Spencer stock is not a conventional tube magazine. It's more like a follower. The rounds are loaded into the stock individually, and then the follower would be inserted back into the stock in order to push the cartridges from the stock into the chamber. The game depicts the way that cavalrymen in the civil war would've loaded it. They carried several tubes full of seven rounds and they would remove the follower from the stock, dump the rounds from the tube into the stock and replace the follower. The empty tube would then be placed aside. --SmithandWesson36 (talk) 12:39, 19 December 2018 (EST)
What was the civil watching? Spartan198 (talk) 17:50, 25 February 2020 (EST)
Old reruns of Dateline NBC. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 11:23, 11 July 2020 (EDT)
Why don't you have a seat right over there? --PyramidHead (talk) 14:12, 11 July 2020 (EDT)
Not an animation, but something I wish Rockstar had taken into consideration was the common practice of loading only five rounds in the SAA due to its habit of discharging if pressure was applied to the hammer on a loaded chamber even when uncocked. If I'm not mistaken, this "quirk" wasn't corrected until some time in the 1990s. Spartan198 (talk) 23:59, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
I thought that was usually alleviated by carrying it half-cocked, or on one of the rest notches between chambers on the back of the cylinder (on the guns that had them). Besides, I can certainly see why the devs wouldn't implement something like that - it'd be rather annoying to see 6 available chambers but only have your character use 5. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 00:13, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
High Roller and Ace Hanlon's SAA
I honestly don't see the resemblance at all. Spartan198 (talk) 17:34, 18 March 2019 (EDT)
I have to agree; the patterns don't resemble each other at all. --Wuzh (talk) 18:28, 18 March 2019 (EDT)
Left-handed animations
Interestingly, the game has left-handed animations that appear under a very specific set of circumstances. They are all fully animated with no weapon mirroring magic (the bolt action rifle for example has Arthur move his right hand back to pull the bolt). Pretty cool for something that is almost never seen. --Wuzh (talk) 04:29, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
Hot damn, they even animated Arthur moving his trigger finger from the left trigger to the right trigger on the double barrel shotgun! Never noticed that before.--Aidoru (talk) 05:08, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
Elephant Rifle
A new gun was added in RDO a few months ago: the Elephant Rifle. Although I'm surprised no one has even mentioned it or added it to the page, I'm not really surprised at the same time. RDO is kinda forsaken. --Dan San (talk) 18:20, 10 September 2020 (EDT)
I mean, play RDO all the time with friends, it's one of my main games, but I don't have a clue what it really is, definitely outside my area of expertise. :P Alex T Snow (talk) 19:11, 10 September 2020 (EDT)
