Talk:Ghost in the Shell (2017): Difference between revisions
Talk:Ghost in the Shell (2017): Difference between revisions - Internet Movie Firearms Database - Guns in Movies, TV and Video Games
Talk:Ghost in the Shell (2017): Difference between revisions
I think for this movie, we should just call the Major just "The Major" since behind the scene and on IMDB, they've eliminated the Japanese name of the character. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 17:45, 15 November 2016 (EST)
:Mamoru Oshii does refer to her as "Motoko" in [https://youtu.be/E9Tlz8DKyNM?t=44s this video], but [https://youtu.be/E9Tlz8DKyNM?t=29s earlier] they use a nameplate that just says "The Major", so I dunno. I just did what we usually do with superhero names.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 23:20, 15 November 2016 (EST)
That pistol that johansson racks in the trailer, is it some kinda glock mockup?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 13:52, 15 November 2016 (EST)
That pistol that johansson racks in the trailer, is it some kinda glock mockup?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 13:52, 15 November 2016 (EST)
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::Looks like a Glock 17 --[[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]] ([[User talk:Swordfish941|talk]]) 17:34, 15 November 2016 (EST)
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:This one's hard to ID. Maybe they're TDI Vectors, but the barrels look a little high (that could just be the angle, though).--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 23:22, 15 November 2016 (EST)
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:Batou's shotgun is a [[Crye Precision Six12]], and the gun in the orange shell in the last cap is another Mini Uzi. I only know this as there are some photos of various props floating around from the press event in Tokyo:[[File:Ghost-in-the-shell-thermoptic-pistol-the-major-scarlett-johansoon.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]][[File:Ghost-in-the-shell-skinny-mans-uzi-prop.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]][[File:Ghost-in-the-shell-majors-police-bike-tavor-smg.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]][[File:Ghost-in-the-shell-batou-shotgun-prop.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]][[File:Ghost-in-the-shell-hanka-pistol-prop.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]][[File:Ghost-in-the-shell-gunman-shotgun-prop.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]][[File:Ghost-in-the-shell-gunman-uzi-prop.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]][[File:Ghost-in-the-shell-gunmen-uzi-briefcase.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]It also looks like the pistol used by the guy in the mask is the "Hanka Pistol" listed above. I don't think this is a real gun though, if nothing else the way the stock is attached (which his a real stock for a Glock made by FAB Defence) means it couldn't accept a magazine. Or maybe it is soemthing real like a GLock that is totally hidden inside a shell. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:21, 15 November 2016 (EST)
:Batou's shotgun is a [[Crye Precision Six12]], and the gun in the orange shell in the last cap is another Mini Uzi. I only know this as there are some photos of various props floating around from the press event in Tokyo:[[File:Ghost-in-the-shell-thermoptic-pistol-the-major-scarlett-johansoon.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
It also looks like the pistol used by the guy in the mask is the "Hanka Pistol" listed above. I don't think this is a real gun though, if nothing else the way the stock is attached (which his a real stock for a Glock made by FAB Defence) means it couldn't accept a magazine. Or maybe it is soemthing real like a GLock that is totally hidden inside a shell. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:21, 15 November 2016 (EST)
The '870' is actually a Norinco clone. They were produced as both 12 and 14 inch barreled guns. Not sure if this page would like to pursue that kind of specificity.--[[User:Gwhysow|Gwhysow]] ([[User talk:Gwhysow|talk]]) 14:11, 3 September 2018 (EDT)
== Weapon Designs ==
Is anyone else sort of disappointed with the weapons shown so far? I know this is just a trailer, but the utter lack of anything resembling a Seburo firearm (like the M5) is just offputting for a GiTS movie. The weapon mockups we've seen so far just seem sort of lazy, like the extra blocky Tavor and the see through Glock. I do like the inclusion of the Crye Six12 though, I've always thought that was a pretty cyberpunk looking gun. --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 01:11, 17 November 2016 (EST)
:IMO, unless the armorers/weapon manufacturers can get to make a working one done, that's kinda moot. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 01:59, 17 November 2016 (EST)
::SO far it looks like they are going more for the aesthetic of the 1995 movie, where there were no Seburo guns. Closest thing in that is the CZN-M22, which has a much more realistic look than Seburo guns tend to have. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 03:59, 17 November 2016 (EST)
::The problem is that they are taking elements from Stand Alone Complex like the teahouse scene from season 1 and Kuze from season 2 and the behind the scenes state they aren't using the 1995 movie story here but adapting a modified story from Kuze's Individual Eleven story arc...sorta. The backdrop of the city looks like less from the Anime or Manga and more like Blade Runner meets Judge Dredd (Stallone) with too much distracting holographic advertisements. They could have modded F2000s and those would look more like Seburo C26A or kept the general frame of the X95 and jut put a carrying handle on top of it and it'd look more like the CZN-M22 since that was a very basic looking gun instead of this blocky thing we see in the new movie. A lot of the guns used in the 1995 movie and tv shows were almost unaltered real guns for the most part, even the fictional guns look like they can be real world guns with very simple practical designs and some flair. This movie tried to make the guns too stylized which wasn't what Ghost in the Shell is about when it came to weapons. I really didn't like the "Skinny Man's" Uzi in this movie since in the original 1995 movie, it was drawn as a slightly modified Uzi you can still tell what it is. I couldn't even tell this new one is an Uzi if the label didn't tell me. The attention to weapon details on any of the anime series were really good, even brass checking weapons. This adaptation doesn't seem to understand that concept like the opening scene that takes from the 1995 movie but under the original, the Major was brass checking her weapon. This one The Major was chambering her weapon and its implied she's left handed at some point. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:33, 17 November 2016 (EST)
:::I'll defend the Skinny Man's Uzi, the first thing that jumped to my mind on seeing this is that it has been reinforced with s fibreglass-like shell to give it additional strength to handle those weird hyper velocity rounds. If this is the case, I think that is a kind of good idea, as I feel that you would need to make some kind of modification to a weapon the fire vastly over-pressured round otherwise it would just instantly blow up. The more stupid thing about it is that this guy has a belt of AK mags, although it may be the case that he is also using an AK earlier and we just haven't seen it yet. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:37, 17 November 2016 (EST)
::Hollywood has a real boner (or wood heyehye) for actors racking the slide.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 13:55, 17 November 2016 (EST)
Sorry but the Skinny mans uzi is the most hideous weapon i have seen since Beverley Hills Cop! Unsure why they haven't been a bit more adventurous with their weapon choices, but guess its what armourer can get their hands on.--[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 12:43, 19 November 2016 (EST)
:I'm sticking with the idea that it is meant to be hideous. They would have actually had to put effort in to make the shell conform so much to the shape of the Uzi rather than just dressing it up in a box, so I am of the opinion that it is meant to be an Uzi that has been strengthened with back-alley methods to allow it to fire hyper velocity ammo (assuming they take this part from the 1995 anime).
== Huge hologram things ==
What's the deal with them? They are seriously distracting and just weird. Are they from the anime?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:00, 17 November 2016 (EST)
::If you had to ask, it means you haven't seen the anime and you should. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 16:04, 17 November 2016 (EST)
:::Seriously since all that is CGI anyway, I'd pay for a version of that background without the stupid looking hologram displays [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 16:24, 17 November 2016 (EST)
::::Maybe i will, should i watch the show or the movie(s)?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 03:13, 18 November 2016 (EST)
::I think for this adaptation, you should watch the 1995 movie first to familiarize yourself with the upcoming obvious differences between the two, but since the adaptation takes elements from the series as well, you should watch as both the Stand Alone Complex seasons. I can point you to a website that has all of it but it's best you have ad block.
[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:00, 18 November 2016 (EST)
I'll check it out someday....--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 11:54, 18 November 2016 (EST)
==The Firearm Blog==
Looks like we've been plugged http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/11/30/ghost-shell-movie/ [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 16:24, 1 December 2016 (EST)
: They misspelled 'IMFDB' in the article blurb. For fuck sake. :P At least the links have the letters arranged right though. Bah. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 18:30, 1 December 2016 (EST)
== Jericho? ==
This image is from a recent Total Film article so it may not actually be in the film anyway, but does this look like a Jericho to anybody else:[[File:GITS Jericho Total Film.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]All the pistols that Section 9 use in the trailers (apart from the Chief's revolver) are Glocks though, but I suppose it could have been picked up from somebody else.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:58, 6 February 2017 (EST)
== Propstore Auction ==
Propstore Auction had a Ghost in the Shell [https://us.propstoreauction.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/126/?page=2&items=100 auction] with a number of stunt weapon props. It might be worth looking over for weapon IDs. For example, Aramaki's revolver may actually be a Taurus, if the [https://us.propstoreauction.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/126/lot/24550/?url=%2Fview-auctions%2Fcatalog%2Fid%2F126%2F%3Fpage%3D2%26items%3D100 stunt gun] is any indication. I'm assuming these are largely authentic. --[[User:Clonehunter|Clonehunter]] ([[User talk:Clonehunter|talk]]) 22:46, 28 June 2018 (EDT)
I think for this movie, we should just call the Major just "The Major" since behind the scene and on IMDB, they've eliminated the Japanese name of the character. Excalibur01 (talk) 17:45, 15 November 2016 (EST)
Mamoru Oshii does refer to her as "Motoko" in this video, but earlier they use a nameplate that just says "The Major", so I dunno. I just did what we usually do with superhero names.--Quarax (talk) 23:20, 15 November 2016 (EST)
That pistol that johansson racks in the trailer, is it some kinda glock mockup?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 13:52, 15 November 2016 (EST)
Yep. There's a few more fictional guns based on real firearms too.--Quarax (talk) 15:43, 15 November 2016 (EST)
Please help ID
Please help ID these weapons. --Ben41 (talk) 16:56, 15 November 2016 (EST)
This one's hard to ID. Maybe they're TDI Vectors, but the barrels look a little high (that could just be the angle, though).--Quarax (talk) 23:22, 15 November 2016 (EST)
Batou's shotgun is a Crye Precision Six12, and the gun in the orange shell in the last cap is another Mini Uzi. I only know this as there are some photos of various props floating around from the press event in Tokyo:Error creating thumbnail: File missing
It also looks like the pistol used by the guy in the mask is the "Hanka Pistol" listed above. I don't think this is a real gun though, if nothing else the way the stock is attached (which his a real stock for a Glock made by FAB Defence) means it couldn't accept a magazine. Or maybe it is soemthing real like a GLock that is totally hidden inside a shell. --commando552 (talk) 17:21, 15 November 2016 (EST)
The '870' is actually a Norinco clone. They were produced as both 12 and 14 inch barreled guns. Not sure if this page would like to pursue that kind of specificity.--Gwhysow (talk) 14:11, 3 September 2018 (EDT)
Weapon Designs
Is anyone else sort of disappointed with the weapons shown so far? I know this is just a trailer, but the utter lack of anything resembling a Seburo firearm (like the M5) is just offputting for a GiTS movie. The weapon mockups we've seen so far just seem sort of lazy, like the extra blocky Tavor and the see through Glock. I do like the inclusion of the Crye Six12 though, I've always thought that was a pretty cyberpunk looking gun. --Aidoru (talk) 01:11, 17 November 2016 (EST)
IMO, unless the armorers/weapon manufacturers can get to make a working one done, that's kinda moot. Ominae (talk) 01:59, 17 November 2016 (EST)
SO far it looks like they are going more for the aesthetic of the 1995 movie, where there were no Seburo guns. Closest thing in that is the CZN-M22, which has a much more realistic look than Seburo guns tend to have. --commando552 (talk) 03:59, 17 November 2016 (EST)
The problem is that they are taking elements from Stand Alone Complex like the teahouse scene from season 1 and Kuze from season 2 and the behind the scenes state they aren't using the 1995 movie story here but adapting a modified story from Kuze's Individual Eleven story arc...sorta. The backdrop of the city looks like less from the Anime or Manga and more like Blade Runner meets Judge Dredd (Stallone) with too much distracting holographic advertisements. They could have modded F2000s and those would look more like Seburo C26A or kept the general frame of the X95 and jut put a carrying handle on top of it and it'd look more like the CZN-M22 since that was a very basic looking gun instead of this blocky thing we see in the new movie. A lot of the guns used in the 1995 movie and tv shows were almost unaltered real guns for the most part, even the fictional guns look like they can be real world guns with very simple practical designs and some flair. This movie tried to make the guns too stylized which wasn't what Ghost in the Shell is about when it came to weapons. I really didn't like the "Skinny Man's" Uzi in this movie since in the original 1995 movie, it was drawn as a slightly modified Uzi you can still tell what it is. I couldn't even tell this new one is an Uzi if the label didn't tell me. The attention to weapon details on any of the anime series were really good, even brass checking weapons. This adaptation doesn't seem to understand that concept like the opening scene that takes from the 1995 movie but under the original, the Major was brass checking her weapon. This one The Major was chambering her weapon and its implied she's left handed at some point. Excalibur01 (talk) 11:33, 17 November 2016 (EST)
I'll defend the Skinny Man's Uzi, the first thing that jumped to my mind on seeing this is that it has been reinforced with s fibreglass-like shell to give it additional strength to handle those weird hyper velocity rounds. If this is the case, I think that is a kind of good idea, as I feel that you would need to make some kind of modification to a weapon the fire vastly over-pressured round otherwise it would just instantly blow up. The more stupid thing about it is that this guy has a belt of AK mags, although it may be the case that he is also using an AK earlier and we just haven't seen it yet. --commando552 (talk) 18:37, 17 November 2016 (EST)
Hollywood has a real boner (or wood heyehye) for actors racking the slide.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 13:55, 17 November 2016 (EST)
Sorry but the Skinny mans uzi is the most hideous weapon i have seen since Beverley Hills Cop! Unsure why they haven't been a bit more adventurous with their weapon choices, but guess its what armourer can get their hands on.--Forrest1985 (talk) 12:43, 19 November 2016 (EST)
I'm sticking with the idea that it is meant to be hideous. They would have actually had to put effort in to make the shell conform so much to the shape of the Uzi rather than just dressing it up in a box, so I am of the opinion that it is meant to be an Uzi that has been strengthened with back-alley methods to allow it to fire hyper velocity ammo (assuming they take this part from the 1995 anime).
Huge hologram things
What's the deal with them? They are seriously distracting and just weird. Are they from the anime?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 14:00, 17 November 2016 (EST)
If you had to ask, it means you haven't seen the anime and you should. Excalibur01 (talk) 16:04, 17 November 2016 (EST)
Seriously since all that is CGI anyway, I'd pay for a version of that background without the stupid looking hologram displays Excalibur01 (talk) 16:24, 17 November 2016 (EST)
Maybe i will, should i watch the show or the movie(s)?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 03:13, 18 November 2016 (EST)
I think for this adaptation, you should watch the 1995 movie first to familiarize yourself with the upcoming obvious differences between the two, but since the adaptation takes elements from the series as well, you should watch as both the Stand Alone Complex seasons. I can point you to a website that has all of it but it's best you have ad block.
They misspelled 'IMFDB' in the article blurb. For fuck sake. :P At least the links have the letters arranged right though. Bah. StanTheMan (talk) 18:30, 1 December 2016 (EST)
Jericho?
This image is from a recent Total Film article so it may not actually be in the film anyway, but does this look like a Jericho to anybody else:
All the pistols that Section 9 use in the trailers (apart from the Chief's revolver) are Glocks though, but I suppose it could have been picked up from somebody else.--commando552 (talk) 12:58, 6 February 2017 (EST)
Propstore Auction
Propstore Auction had a Ghost in the Shell auction with a number of stunt weapon props. It might be worth looking over for weapon IDs. For example, Aramaki's revolver may actually be a Taurus, if the stunt gun is any indication. I'm assuming these are largely authentic. --Clonehunter (talk) 22:46, 28 June 2018 (EDT)
