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== Fake Thompsons == | |||
I'm not sure the Thompson is s real Thompson. There appears to be a magazine housing, which isn't found on a real Thompson. This looks like a great movie for obscure SMGs though. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:52, 19 October 2016 (EDT) | I'm not sure the Thompson is s real Thompson. There appears to be a magazine housing, which isn't found on a real Thompson. This looks like a great movie for obscure SMGs though. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:52, 19 October 2016 (EDT) | ||
:The Thompson looks like the Volunteer Carbine or the Spitfire fitted with a normal 1928A1 foregrip. This does seem like a gold mine of images of oddball SMG's, though I don't know how accurate most of them are to Batista's troops as well as Castro's guerrillas. --[[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 20:34, 19 October 2016 (EST) | :The Thompson looks like the Volunteer Carbine or the Spitfire fitted with a normal 1928A1 foregrip. This does seem like a gold mine of images of oddball SMG's, though I don't know how accurate most of them are to Batista's troops as well as Castro's guerrillas. --[[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 20:34, 19 October 2016 (EST) | ||
::So we have two different versions of fake Tommy Guns. The first one is mocked up in 1928A1 style with wooden handguard, and the trigger guard connects the pistol grip and the magazine housing. The second version has a foregrip, and the space between the pistol grip and magazine housing is significant. A possible source for the second version is Labora SMG. I'm not sure in this guess, the barrel with cooling fins, the distance between the pistol grip and housing and the shape and size of the housing itself allowed me to make such guess but it may be wrong. [[Parinco Model 3R]] is also a possible guess though it has a longer barrel than the one on the last screenshot. | |||
[[File:Parinco mod 3R.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Parinco Model 3R - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[File:Labora Fontbernat M1938.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Labora Fontbernat M1938 - 9x19mm Par or 9x23mm Largo]] | |||
[[File:Cuba-1979-SMG-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An unknown SMG at the right.]] | |||
[[File:Cuba-1979-SMG-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An unknown SMG is seen at the left.]] | |||
[[File:Cuba-1979-Thompson-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close view of the barrel of the same gun. Note that the cooling fins are different from a Thompson, and the barrel itself seems shorter.]] | |||
::What concerns the 1928A1-style version, I doubt that it's a Spitfire or Volunteer. Screen guns have longer magazine housings that both Spitfire or Volunteer; and these guns are nearly unheard of in Old World. | |||
[[Image:Spitfire Gun.jpg|thumb|none|401px|Spitfire Submachine Gun (a modified version of the carbine with a shortened barrel and converted to full-automatic) - .45 ACP]] | |||
[[File:Volunteer enterprises Commando III.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Volunteer Enterprises Commando Mark III - .45 ACP]] | |||
[[File:Cuba-1979-SMG-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A fake M1928A1 at the left]] | |||
[[File:Cuba-1979-Thompson-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A fake Thompson in the final scene in airport.]] | |||
::I think it's a modified Franchi LF-57. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 01:04, 9 April 2017 (EDT) | |||
::Some more fake Thompsons in Spanish-filmed movies: | |||
*With wooden handguard | |||
[[Image:TBD Thompson Mockup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''[[There Be Dragons]]'' - this one looks especially like Labora]] | |||
[[Image:Hell of the living dead Thompson 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''[[Hell of the Living Dead]]'']] | |||
[[Image:Hell of the living dead Thompson 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''[[Hell of the Living Dead]]'']] | |||
*With foregrip | |||
[[File:FHTV-SMG-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''[[From Hell to Victory]]'']] | |||
[[Image:Hell of the Living Dead Thompson magasine housing.JPG|thumb|none|600px|''[[Hell of the Living Dead]]'']] | |||
- [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:16, 20 October 2016 (EDT) | |||
Now I have a feeling that those that do look like Thompsons are also built from Labora M1938, or at least use barrels from them. If they really bothered to move the trigger group forward, that might explain why the distinctive M1938 round back cover is missing from them. The magazines are also very interesting - they are definitely not original, and have feeders (something in the spirit of Henry 1860), possibly for eliminating jams during feeding. Also interesting are these strange holes in the magwells - perhaps, again, to make it easier to take out these strange magazines in case of something. In any case, these guns seem to use more than just blanks, but something like a flashpaper rounds, given all these strange modifications, and the lack of waste shells, as far as I have seen from these films. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 20:42, 31 March 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Shermans == | |||
Just a bit of trivia about the Shermans in this film. They are fibreglass Sherman Firefly replica's built on landrover chasis, originally built for A Bridge Too Far. You can clearly see this (the landrover wheels inside the tracks) in the second screencap. The gun on one has been "sawn off" fairly crudely judging by the first screencap, its also fairly obvious the outer barrel is a simple pipe. I would imagine the "20mm gun" inside the barrel is probably a pyrotechnic firing device which would be hidden inside the full length 17 pdr barrel. --[[User:Maskedweasel|Maskedweasel]] ([[User talk:Maskedweasel|talk]]) 14:59, 8 January 2017 (EST) | |||
:A surprising info, thanks! I'll add it to the page. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:19, 8 January 2017 (EST) I guess the M10 Tank Destroyer is a more real vehicle? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:20, 8 January 2017 (EST) | |||
Latest revision as of 00:42, 1 April 2021
Fake Thompsons
I'm not sure the Thompson is s real Thompson. There appears to be a magazine housing, which isn't found on a real Thompson. This looks like a great movie for obscure SMGs though. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:52, 19 October 2016 (EDT)
- The Thompson looks like the Volunteer Carbine or the Spitfire fitted with a normal 1928A1 foregrip. This does seem like a gold mine of images of oddball SMG's, though I don't know how accurate most of them are to Batista's troops as well as Castro's guerrillas. --PaperCake 20:34, 19 October 2016 (EST)
- So we have two different versions of fake Tommy Guns. The first one is mocked up in 1928A1 style with wooden handguard, and the trigger guard connects the pistol grip and the magazine housing. The second version has a foregrip, and the space between the pistol grip and magazine housing is significant. A possible source for the second version is Labora SMG. I'm not sure in this guess, the barrel with cooling fins, the distance between the pistol grip and housing and the shape and size of the housing itself allowed me to make such guess but it may be wrong. Parinco Model 3R is also a possible guess though it has a longer barrel than the one on the last screenshot.
- What concerns the 1928A1-style version, I doubt that it's a Spitfire or Volunteer. Screen guns have longer magazine housings that both Spitfire or Volunteer; and these guns are nearly unheard of in Old World.
- I think it's a modified Franchi LF-57. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 01:04, 9 April 2017 (EDT)
- Some more fake Thompsons in Spanish-filmed movies:
- With wooden handguard
- With foregrip
- Greg-Z (talk) 03:16, 20 October 2016 (EDT)
Now I have a feeling that those that do look like Thompsons are also built from Labora M1938, or at least use barrels from them. If they really bothered to move the trigger group forward, that might explain why the distinctive M1938 round back cover is missing from them. The magazines are also very interesting - they are definitely not original, and have feeders (something in the spirit of Henry 1860), possibly for eliminating jams during feeding. Also interesting are these strange holes in the magwells - perhaps, again, to make it easier to take out these strange magazines in case of something. In any case, these guns seem to use more than just blanks, but something like a flashpaper rounds, given all these strange modifications, and the lack of waste shells, as far as I have seen from these films. --Slon95 (talk) 20:42, 31 March 2021 (EDT)
Shermans
Just a bit of trivia about the Shermans in this film. They are fibreglass Sherman Firefly replica's built on landrover chasis, originally built for A Bridge Too Far. You can clearly see this (the landrover wheels inside the tracks) in the second screencap. The gun on one has been "sawn off" fairly crudely judging by the first screencap, its also fairly obvious the outer barrel is a simple pipe. I would imagine the "20mm gun" inside the barrel is probably a pyrotechnic firing device which would be hidden inside the full length 17 pdr barrel. --Maskedweasel (talk) 14:59, 8 January 2017 (EST)