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In episode three (Bastille Day), Starbuck goes with the marine strike team because of some ridiculous reason. Anyway, she is not using a P-90 like the rest of the marines. She appears to have a rifle that I have been unable to identify, due to there being no clear shots. There are only two clues: first, when she boards the raptor to go to the Astral Queen, the rifle is slung on her back, and you get a brief glimpse of the back of the butt. Later, when she failed to kill Tom Zarek with her shot, you see the underside of the front of the rifle. Interestingly, it almost appears to use the same flash hider as the Cx4's used in the late reasons. But I still cannot identify this rifle. Thoughts?--[[User:Fidget|Fidget]] ([[User talk:Fidget|talk]]) 05:10, 16 October 2016 (EDT) | In episode three (Bastille Day), Starbuck goes with the marine strike team because of some ridiculous reason. Anyway, she is not using a P-90 like the rest of the marines. She appears to have a rifle that I have been unable to identify, due to there being no clear shots. There are only two clues: first, when she boards the raptor to go to the Astral Queen, the rifle is slung on her back, and you get a brief glimpse of the back of the butt. Later, when she failed to kill Tom Zarek with her shot, you see the underside of the front of the rifle. Interestingly, it almost appears to use the same flash hider as the Cx4's used in the late reasons. But I still cannot identify this rifle. Thoughts?--[[User:Fidget|Fidget]] ([[User talk:Fidget|talk]]) 05:10, 16 October 2016 (EDT) | ||
== Is the futuristic pistol really a 686? It looks a LOT more like a Colt Python. == | |||
[[Image:Oldpistolv2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Futuristic Pistol]] | |||
[[Image:ColtPythonStdBarrel.jpg|thumb|500px|none|REFERENCE IMAGE 1 - Colt Python]] | |||
[[Image:800px-SW686.jpg|thumb|none|500px|REFERENCE IMAGE 2 - S&W 686]] | |||
[[Image:Pythstainless6.jpg|thumb|500px|none|REFERENCE IMAGE 3 - Colt Python (2)]] | |||
[[Image:CombatPython.jpg|thumb|500px|none|REFERENCE IMAGE 4 - Colt Python (3)]] | |||
[[Image:S&W Mod586.jpg|500px|thumb|none|REFERENCE IMAGE 5 - S&W 586]] | |||
I'd like to compare certain parts of the visible trigger guard as well as the frame above it. | |||
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*First off, the hump right above the trigger. That is clearly visible on the Python (1) as well as the futuristic pistol. The 686 DOES NOT have a hump. | |||
*Second, the frame screw and seam. Both, again, are clearly visible on the Python (2) as well as the futuristic gun but not on the 686. | |||
*Third, the trigger. The trigger of the futuristic pistol is very similar in shape - note the flat cut before the trigger curve - to the trigger of a Colt Python (2) than the 686. | |||
*Fourth, the frame curve. The curve behind the cylinder where the hammer normally is visible, on the futuristic pistol, shallows out and ends in a rounded hump. Comparing the frame curve of the 686, it does shallow out, BUT the end of the frame is sharper and angular compared to the futuristic revolver. If we take a look at a Python (3) the curve matches exactly to the one in the futuristic pistol. | |||
*Fifth, and last, the logo. If you look at the 686, the S&W logo is right next to the edge of the grip. However, taking a look at the Futuristic revolver, no logo is seen - where did it go if it was a 686? If you take a look at the Python (3), although, the Colt "Bucking Horse" logo is placed very close to the cylinder and cylinder latch - where it can be and it is covered up by shell. | |||
*Oh, also, the S&W 686 is only available in a stainless finish. However, even if you compare the blued 586 (which I have included above), the same reasons still apply. | |||
<br/> I rest my case. -[[User:SeptemberJack|SeptemberJack]] ([[User talk:SeptemberJack|talk]]) 15:27, 24 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
<br/>P.S. It can be noted, however, that it necessarily isn't a Colt Python - to that I say that it IS a Colt manufactured revolver, and NOT a Smith & Wesson one. | |||
:You have made one big assumption in that reasoning, and that is that you are basing it off of that gun image rather than looking at the screen used guns. I'm not 100% but I believe that that image is a prop replica made by Matsuo which uses a Colt Python as a base. If you look at screenshots of the guns from both season 1 and the miniseries, you will see that they do not match the shape of the Python (or any other Colt revolver) but do match the 586 or 686. You are right that the 686 is only stainless, however the whole gun could have just been painted once it was assembled (in order to give the whole thing a consistent finish), or the whole thing could be a resin casting made from a 686. Compare [http://www.weaponreplica.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/BATTLESTAR-GALACTICA-Season-1-Blaster.jpg this] image of the gun used on screen to that of the replica and you will see that they are different. It is widely known in the replica prop making world that basing these guns off of Pythons is wrong, but people still seem to do it because they prefer the look. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:55, 24 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
:: Lol, I just wanna add that I think you could have done just one comparo set of images - that is, one 686 and one Python and that would have done (just a notation about the blued vs stainless would have been enough there). That said, I would agree that - solely in regards to that above gun image - you are right that it appears a Colt wheelgun due to the profile of the rear frame, lower frame-trigger guard and trigger itself. However it doesn't match with the guns in the screenshots, which C552 goes over nicely. I agree with him that it is ultimately more likely a prop piece entirely, and NOT with a Colt as the base there. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:33, 24 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
::: Hah, ok. Didn't notice the screen gun wasn't the same as the prop gun :P. -[[User:SeptemberJack|SeptemberJack]] ([[User talk:SeptemberJack|talk]]) 17:41, 24 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 21:41, 24 September 2017
Starbuck's "sniper" rifle in episode 3
In episode three (Bastille Day), Starbuck goes with the marine strike team because of some ridiculous reason. Anyway, she is not using a P-90 like the rest of the marines. She appears to have a rifle that I have been unable to identify, due to there being no clear shots. There are only two clues: first, when she boards the raptor to go to the Astral Queen, the rifle is slung on her back, and you get a brief glimpse of the back of the butt. Later, when she failed to kill Tom Zarek with her shot, you see the underside of the front of the rifle. Interestingly, it almost appears to use the same flash hider as the Cx4's used in the late reasons. But I still cannot identify this rifle. Thoughts?--Fidget (talk) 05:10, 16 October 2016 (EDT)
Is the futuristic pistol really a 686? It looks a LOT more like a Colt Python.
I'd like to compare certain parts of the visible trigger guard as well as the frame above it.
- First off, the hump right above the trigger. That is clearly visible on the Python (1) as well as the futuristic pistol. The 686 DOES NOT have a hump.
- Second, the frame screw and seam. Both, again, are clearly visible on the Python (2) as well as the futuristic gun but not on the 686.
- Third, the trigger. The trigger of the futuristic pistol is very similar in shape - note the flat cut before the trigger curve - to the trigger of a Colt Python (2) than the 686.
- Fourth, the frame curve. The curve behind the cylinder where the hammer normally is visible, on the futuristic pistol, shallows out and ends in a rounded hump. Comparing the frame curve of the 686, it does shallow out, BUT the end of the frame is sharper and angular compared to the futuristic revolver. If we take a look at a Python (3) the curve matches exactly to the one in the futuristic pistol.
- Fifth, and last, the logo. If you look at the 686, the S&W logo is right next to the edge of the grip. However, taking a look at the Futuristic revolver, no logo is seen - where did it go if it was a 686? If you take a look at the Python (3), although, the Colt "Bucking Horse" logo is placed very close to the cylinder and cylinder latch - where it can be and it is covered up by shell.
- Oh, also, the S&W 686 is only available in a stainless finish. However, even if you compare the blued 586 (which I have included above), the same reasons still apply.
I rest my case. -SeptemberJack (talk) 15:27, 24 September 2017 (EDT)
P.S. It can be noted, however, that it necessarily isn't a Colt Python - to that I say that it IS a Colt manufactured revolver, and NOT a Smith & Wesson one.
- You have made one big assumption in that reasoning, and that is that you are basing it off of that gun image rather than looking at the screen used guns. I'm not 100% but I believe that that image is a prop replica made by Matsuo which uses a Colt Python as a base. If you look at screenshots of the guns from both season 1 and the miniseries, you will see that they do not match the shape of the Python (or any other Colt revolver) but do match the 586 or 686. You are right that the 686 is only stainless, however the whole gun could have just been painted once it was assembled (in order to give the whole thing a consistent finish), or the whole thing could be a resin casting made from a 686. Compare this image of the gun used on screen to that of the replica and you will see that they are different. It is widely known in the replica prop making world that basing these guns off of Pythons is wrong, but people still seem to do it because they prefer the look. --commando552 (talk) 16:55, 24 September 2017 (EDT)
- Lol, I just wanna add that I think you could have done just one comparo set of images - that is, one 686 and one Python and that would have done (just a notation about the blued vs stainless would have been enough there). That said, I would agree that - solely in regards to that above gun image - you are right that it appears a Colt wheelgun due to the profile of the rear frame, lower frame-trigger guard and trigger itself. However it doesn't match with the guns in the screenshots, which C552 goes over nicely. I agree with him that it is ultimately more likely a prop piece entirely, and NOT with a Colt as the base there. StanTheMan (talk) 17:33, 24 September 2017 (EDT)
- Hah, ok. Didn't notice the screen gun wasn't the same as the prop gun :P. -SeptemberJack (talk) 17:41, 24 September 2017 (EDT)
- Lol, I just wanna add that I think you could have done just one comparo set of images - that is, one 686 and one Python and that would have done (just a notation about the blued vs stainless would have been enough there). That said, I would agree that - solely in regards to that above gun image - you are right that it appears a Colt wheelgun due to the profile of the rear frame, lower frame-trigger guard and trigger itself. However it doesn't match with the guns in the screenshots, which C552 goes over nicely. I agree with him that it is ultimately more likely a prop piece entirely, and NOT with a Colt as the base there. StanTheMan (talk) 17:33, 24 September 2017 (EDT)
