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Please help ID these AR's. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 20:51, 17 September 2016 (EDT) | Please help ID these AR's. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 20:51, 17 September 2016 (EDT) | ||
[[File:CACW 36.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US Navy personnel with the rifles.]] | [[File:CACW 36.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US Navy personnel with the rifles.]] | ||
They look like DD M4s: | |||
[[File:DDM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] ([[User talk:Lynx|talk]]) 21:34, 17 September 2016 (EDT) | |||
==In the comics== | |||
A part of me keeps wondering, looking back to most of Black Widow's appearance in these movies, have she ever dual wielded guns in the comics and that's why they got her doing this for the movies? And why G26s. I remember seeing the cover of one comic where she's holding a FAL. Does Marvel Studios have a problem with her using bigger guns? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:54, 13 October 2016 (EDT) | |||
I would say it's because of her fighting style. She's very agile, very acrobatic, and very fluid in her movements. Using small pistols means she barely has to worry about any kind of weight or accidentally bumping them into things, as well as being more easily concealable when she's wearing civilian clothing, and they work better in close quarters situations where she fights best. Using something like an FAL or other kind of large assault weapon wouldn't fit in with the fighting style we've been shown so far in these movies, and would be much more cumbersome to carry as she's doing flips around her enemies. Also not that she uses it very long, but she does use an M2O3 attached to an M4A1 in Winter Soldier.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|One shot is all it takes.]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 15:20, 13 October 2016 (EDT) | |||
You have seen how John Wick moves right and he's using a larger handgun and wearing a suit while doing it and you can had a full size pistol in civilian clothing. It just depends on the holster and gun really. I understand during the bridge fight a compact pistol like the G26 is a good choice, but when she's in full battle gear, she should be using a bigger pistol. Not saying she should use a FAL all the time, but these are comic book movies. Having the actress using a weapon her character clearly used in the comics is a good call back. The Falcon is an exception because he's wearing his wings and he has no where to attach it on his suit. Let's look at Age of Ultron where she goes into battle with pretty much next to nothing. Even in Avengers, the script had her resorting to using enemy weapons for longer ranges. I think the main problem is her character doesn't quite fit with large scale battles [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:22, 14 October 2016 (EDT) | |||
I think the reason for the pistols is the costume, and her fighting style. She wears a skin tight costume without many big pouches or other accessories, so they likely went for relatively small pistols to try and keep the general profile down. In Iron Man 2 she only had the one pistol, but they still went for a PPK. The other thing is that she doesn't necessarily actually use the pistols all the time. In a lot of fights she is just fighting hand to hand where larger pistols would get in the way of those fancy martial arts moves. As for why in later movies she carries two pistols rather than one, its a movie, people do that. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:37, 14 October 2016 (EDT) | |||
She has some taser like devices that she can launch from her wrists as well as she uses dual custom batons. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 19:07, 14 October 2016 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 23:07, 14 October 2016
Was watching some B-roll footage, noticed an odd setup at about 0:42. Winter Soldier/Bucky has a M249 Para with a 100-round Surefire casket mag. Thought it was interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g09iIQzFSAk --Mandolin (talk) 17:10, 12 April 2016 (EDT)
- I'm curious if that actually appears to cycle properly in the movie or if it is CG. An M249 barely works with a normal 30 rounder let alone one of those. I can't really think of a reason why they would choose to do this in the first place as it looks frankly ridiculous. Only possible reasoning I can think of is if they always meant for the firing the be CG and this is a lot easier to hide with a magazine rather than a belt. --commando552 (talk) 19:09, 12 April 2016 (EDT)
- IIRC the newer Magpul and Surefire mags work just fine in the SAW. Something about stronger springs or something.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6-zZmtFRBk --Mandolin (talk) 20:52, 12 April 2016 (EDT)
- I believe that there are two different problems with the magazine feed on the Minimi. The first is that the rate of fire can be too fast for the magazine to keep up, but also there is the problem that the geometry of the top of the magazine and the feed lips don't quite work in the M249. PMAGs work relatively well as they can sort of dodge both of these, but not so sure about a Surefire 100 rounder. Firstly I imagine that the geometry at the top would be more like a USGI so you would still have the problem with the bolt shaving the feed lips and causing failures to feed. I also personally have doubts that the Surefire would be any better at keeping up, as any spring that was still compressible at 100 rounds would likely be relatively weak towards the end, and also a quaad stack is more likely to stutter a bit as the rounds are feeding through due to the complexity where it steps down to a double stack. I also imagine that the weight and length of the Surefire might create problems as the magazine would be jammed over severely to one side of the magazine well. Maybe it would work, I have not personally tried it, but having used a Minimi with normal 30 rounders this has rather tainted my opinion on the matter. --commando552 (talk) 05:05, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
- IIRC the newer Magpul and Surefire mags work just fine in the SAW. Something about stronger springs or something.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6-zZmtFRBk --Mandolin (talk) 20:52, 12 April 2016 (EDT)
BTS footage
This B-roll footage gives nice stable shots of what will probably be very frenetic action scenes in the movie. Easy to see the guns being used.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2O6Q1_bxTs
Gun IDs
Just saw this yesterday, and among other things I recall seeing what I assume is a German police officer wielding an AUG (not sure what variant; probably an A3 though I just got a look at the distinctive barrel shape) while Black Widow and T'Challa are talking following the bombing. Also, I personally dispute that Makarov being a Makarov; it looked to be a lot more like an APS: it seemed to have a much longer barrel than a PM should, unless it was surpressed. Just my thoughts. --That's the Way It's Done (talk) 16:47, 16 May 2016 (EDT)
- Those would be Austrian police/military, as they were in Vienna, and I distinctly remember them being green AUG A1s. I can't remember the "Makarov" past it being of that style/family. Alex T Snow (talk) 19:44, 16 May 2016 (EDT)
- We'll have to wait for a DVD/BluRay release it seems. Also, I remember Crossbones trying to engage Falcon with what looked like a Mk 19 in the opening chase. Can you confirm? --That's the Way It's Done (talk) 23:19, 26 May 2016 (EDT)
Please help ID
Please help ID these AR's. --Ben41 (talk) 20:51, 17 September 2016 (EDT)
They look like DD M4s:
--Lynx (talk) 21:34, 17 September 2016 (EDT)
In the comics
A part of me keeps wondering, looking back to most of Black Widow's appearance in these movies, have she ever dual wielded guns in the comics and that's why they got her doing this for the movies? And why G26s. I remember seeing the cover of one comic where she's holding a FAL. Does Marvel Studios have a problem with her using bigger guns? Excalibur01 (talk) 10:54, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
I would say it's because of her fighting style. She's very agile, very acrobatic, and very fluid in her movements. Using small pistols means she barely has to worry about any kind of weight or accidentally bumping them into things, as well as being more easily concealable when she's wearing civilian clothing, and they work better in close quarters situations where she fights best. Using something like an FAL or other kind of large assault weapon wouldn't fit in with the fighting style we've been shown so far in these movies, and would be much more cumbersome to carry as she's doing flips around her enemies. Also not that she uses it very long, but she does use an M2O3 attached to an M4A1 in Winter Soldier.--One shot is all it takes. (talk) 15:20, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
You have seen how John Wick moves right and he's using a larger handgun and wearing a suit while doing it and you can had a full size pistol in civilian clothing. It just depends on the holster and gun really. I understand during the bridge fight a compact pistol like the G26 is a good choice, but when she's in full battle gear, she should be using a bigger pistol. Not saying she should use a FAL all the time, but these are comic book movies. Having the actress using a weapon her character clearly used in the comics is a good call back. The Falcon is an exception because he's wearing his wings and he has no where to attach it on his suit. Let's look at Age of Ultron where she goes into battle with pretty much next to nothing. Even in Avengers, the script had her resorting to using enemy weapons for longer ranges. I think the main problem is her character doesn't quite fit with large scale battles Excalibur01 (talk) 10:22, 14 October 2016 (EDT)
I think the reason for the pistols is the costume, and her fighting style. She wears a skin tight costume without many big pouches or other accessories, so they likely went for relatively small pistols to try and keep the general profile down. In Iron Man 2 she only had the one pistol, but they still went for a PPK. The other thing is that she doesn't necessarily actually use the pistols all the time. In a lot of fights she is just fighting hand to hand where larger pistols would get in the way of those fancy martial arts moves. As for why in later movies she carries two pistols rather than one, its a movie, people do that. --commando552 (talk) 12:37, 14 October 2016 (EDT)
She has some taser like devices that she can launch from her wrists as well as she uses dual custom batons. --Ben41 (talk) 19:07, 14 October 2016 (EDT)