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| | Happy New Year's to all. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 21:36, 1 January 2023 (UTC) |
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| =2016 Discussion= | | == I guess, I made ID of Thark Rifle in John Carter movie == |
| Same shit different year.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 19:34, 31 December 2015 (EST)
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| | At the ''[[John Carter (2012)|John Carter]]'' movie, most Tharks (Green Martian clan) use Thark Martian rifles. Of course, it was futurised guns, but, after closing inspection of the original movie props, I notice, that's this futusistic rifles were made from [[Tanegashima]]s (of course, a modern replicas). For proving this guess, I made a photoshoping compilation of the movie props and modern Tanegashima replica. So, I guess, that's useful to ID the gun as Tanegashma. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 13:42, 15 January 2023 (UTC) |
| | [[Image:Thark rifle photoshop.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A photoshoping compilation of the movie props and modern Tanegashima replica. The serpent for the match and closing powderbox (1), which is almost similar on the Tanegashima and Thark rifle. The pistol-grip buttstock (2) which is also almost similar. Of course, the movie prop is equipped with some part of other guns (percussion hammer) as well as some junks, to look more futuristic, as well, it's sawn in half, but the basing gun is Tanegashima.]] |
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| == Need help to ID the revolver == | | ==Smiling Friends page?== |
| | The western animation series Smiling Friends has quite a few realistically-drawn firearms which I documented on my sandbox [[User:Dnkakusei/Sandbox#Smiling_Friends_.5B2022-ongoing.2C_USA.5D|here]]. I would just like to know if the show qualifies for a page on this site. --[[User:Dnkakusei|Dnkakusei]] ([[User talk:Dnkakusei|talk]]) 13:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC) |
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| I'm sorry, I have some request: may somebody help me to ID this revolver:
| | == Delete category backlog == |
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| --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 12:52, 3 January 2016 (EST)
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| : The overall shape and half underlug makes me think a S&W. Can't tell if the rod is shrouded or not, but it looks to be about the size of a K-frame. It has the lower profile sight and what looks to be a bull barrel, so if it ''is'' a S&W, it's either a Model 10HB or a Model 13 (more likely the former). But that's really a guess mostly, honestly can't tell much from that image. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 02:21, 4 January 2016 (EST)
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| == Weapons ID ==
| | Just want to holler at the mod/s just in case. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 07:56, 12 February 2023 (UTC) |
| | : Got more screenshots from Detective Conan marked for deletion since Netflix Japan's able to get remastered episodes out and I'm slowly using them to update pages here. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 01:19, 3 March 2023 (UTC) |
| | :: Got more stuff for deletion. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 06:52, 6 July 2023 (UTC) |
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| I'm sorry, I have some request: may somebody help me to ID this weapons
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| | Something I have noticed with classic action films, mostly within the 80's era, is that a lot of muzzle flashes appear more blue than yellow. Did this have something to do with the type of blanks/props that were being used back then, or was this just a result of 1980's cinematography? --[[User:Theakker3|Theakker3]] ([[User talk:Theakker3|talk]]) 12:40, 28 March 2023 (UTC) |
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| A Submachine gun (I think, that's the same submachine gun, but it's may be different): [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 07:05, 5 January 2016 (EST)
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| ==Help me identify the pistol and assault rifle== | | == Monsters vs Aliens? == |
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| | == Prodigal Son - Season 2, Unknown semi-auto pistol == |
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| Anime name: Pandora in the Crimson Shell: Ghost Urn
| | I believe have a positive ID on the "unknown" semi-auto pistol listed for Prodigal Son - Season 2. |
| :The rifle appears to be an AN-94. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:21, 9 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::Definitely an [[AN-94]]. As for the pistol, I could only say it looks similar to the [[SIG-Sauer P226]].
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| == Russian flag ==
| | I requested an account specifically to help with this ID but I don't understand how to correctly add this info |
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| I don't know, is this important or not, but Russian flag between 1991 and 1993 was another, differ than current: [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 16:13, 12 January 2016 (EST)
| | If someone could vet this and add it, I'd appreciate it! |
| [[File:Flag of Russia (1991-1993).jpg|thumb|250px|none|Former Russian flag (1991-1993).]]
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| [[File:RUS.jpg|thumb|250px|none|Current Russian flag (since 1993).]]
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| :<s>The first flag wasn't approved officially. Let's use the one that is best known.</s> [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 16:32, 12 January 2016 (EST) Please ignore my remark as I don't want to start a discussion. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 02:18, 13 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::Any context to this?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:33, 12 January 2016 (EST)
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| :According to wikipedia, "Official Flag of the Russian Federation from 25 December 1991 to 11 December 1993, when it was replaced by the present version." But I'll defer to the Russians here to figure this out. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:06, 12 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::I would like to avoid any discussion on this theme, except the only remark: if we would take in accout each and every change in state insignias, then we have to use 48-star USA flag for pre-1959 movies. Is there any sence in it? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 02:18, 13 January 2016 (EST)
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| :::Alright, that's fair point. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:36, 13 January 2016 (EST)
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| :::: Indeed. Or do we start using the Soviet flag for Russian films pre-1991? Etc. I don't really think this is all that important, and I agree with just sticking with the present-day national flags on the listings for the sake of simplicity. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:12, 13 January 2016 (EST)
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| :::::Sorry, I didn't thought that. Soviet flag also was changed at 1955. I agree - more commonly known flag are preferable. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 13:22, 13 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::::::I probably got [[:Category:Spanish_Produced/Filmed|too into the flags thing]], but I do think it's important to recognize different eras. Minor tweaks like different shades of blue shouldn't be that big a deal. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:26, 13 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::::::: Well it does mean we'll have to include other versions of flags as noted, Soviet flags for anything produced/filmed in USSR Russia, 48 star flags for US films pre-1959, and so forth. Seems like a good bit of extra work for negligible gain, though it is good to be thorough. Honestly, I'm ok either way. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:31, 14 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::::::::The Soviet-Produced category was created partly due to this, and also because it felt weird to put a Kazakh flag next to something made in the 60's. Like Greg said, if it's a minor variation, like number of stars or variation of color, leave it, if it's a change in government, go ahead. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:20, 14 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::::::::::See the can of worms you create when you start making pages overly complicated? ;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 21:57, 29 January 2016 (EST)
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| == I need help to ID the firearms in my new page ==
| | Prodigal Son - S02E10, "Exit Strategy". At approx 34m:30s, Felix (spoiler: Clayton Fielder's twin) climbs a staircase while brandishing, then racking, a silver-tone semi-auto I identify as a TriStar P-120 (CZ75 clone). It's later seen several times from virtually every conceivable angle starting around 38:10. |
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| I'm sorry, I have some request: may somebody check my ID in the anime [[Violence Jack]] and help me to ID the unknown guns? Thanks! [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 06:01, 21 January 2016 (EST) | | :I checked it and I think you're right, so I did make all the necessary changes. By the way, don't forget to put your nickname and time in all discussions using 4 "~" at the end of each post. [[User:Pustelga7|Pustelga7]] ([[User talk:Pustelga7|talk]]) 15:30, 4 June 2023 (UTC) |
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| [[Image:Violence Jack HB SMG 4 1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SMG with carrying handle at the left.]]
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| [[Image:Violence Jack HWH machine gun 2 1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|(mounted on the helicopter)]] | | Are white M18 smoke grenade only seen in TV/movies/games? Been seeing some of those. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 17:34, 12 October 2023 (UTC) |
| | :I don't think they come in white IRL. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:12, 12 October 2023 (UTC) |
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| | ==Stunt/action choreography for a director's page== |
| | On the page for stunt choreographer and two-time film director [[Kensuke Sonomura]], I've added a list of films and games that he contributed stunt direction and choreography to. I'm planning on fully adding these productions to his category, but I was told to ask an admin first because stunt coordination is a pretty niche credit, however I believe that these productions should be added to his category as stunt and action sequences are vital and important parts of these films and games. Is it safe to add the pages? --[[User:Dnkakusei|Dnkakusei]] ([[User talk:Dnkakusei|talk]]) 12:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC) |
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| : The SMGs in the first and second sets appear to take after [[TDI Vector]]s to me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:19, 21 January 2016 (EST)
| | ==Firearm citations without screen grabs?== |
| ::I'm sorry, but it's imposible: TDI Vector was designet at 2006 and doesn't exist at 1986. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 13:31, 21 January 2016 (EST) | | I am new here, and I have not seen any guidelines about whether it's okay to cite a firearm in a movie listing without an associated screen grab. Is it better to have a weapon identified, even without a photo? ... or is it really better to make sure that each citation includes corresponding screen grabs? --[[User:226X5-9-TAC|226X5-9-TAC]] ([[User talk:226X5-9-TAC|talk]]) 23:02, 15 December 2023 (UTC). |
| ::: Indeed. Ya got me, then. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:14, 22 January 2016 (EST)
| | :First off, welcome aboard. As for your question, if it's a pre-existing page, then pointing out a specific gun that doesn't already have a screencap is fine, as long as you're specific about when and where it appears (though having a screencap is always preferable). If it's for a page that doesn't exist yet, we'd prefer not - we have an excess of pages without screencaps as-is. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 23:43, 15 December 2023 (UTC) |
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| == Bulletproof Mask == | | == Identifying revolver == |
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| [[Image:24_M26_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Season 10, Episode 19, 24 (2001).]][[Image:H50E1 104.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Season 1, Episode 1, Hawaii Five-0 (2010).]][[File:Furious7 503.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Furious 7 (2015)]] | | What type of revolver is this? Film is from 1938. [[User:Theakker3|Theakker3]] ([[User talk:Theakker3|talk]]) 17:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC) |
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| Does anyone know what these are? preferably providing a link to who makes them.--[[User:Thomas|Thomas]] ([[User talk:Thomas|talk]]) 15:46, 21 January 2016 (EST)
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| :[http://kapexbodyarmor.com/ballistic-face-mask-level-iiia/ Googled it]. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:01, 21 January 2016 (EST)
| | : Not really a detailed enough shot to tell much. Appears to be a mid-size, .38 or therabouts. Ejector rod looks rather long which makes me think it has a socket, which would make it a S&W. If so, likely a Military & Police model. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:30, 23 December 2023 (UTC) |
| ::They have been made by a few companies over the years, but my guess is that quite a few of the ones that you see in films/TV will not be real and will instead by Airsoft knock-offs. For example, the first one is an Airsoft mask made by [http://rhinoviru3.weebly.com/cactus-hobbies-mask-ao2.html Cactus Hobbies] based on the masks from Army of Two. This goes for most armour in media, fake Airsoft stuff is cheaper, more easily available with no legal issues, lighter, and generally more comfortable. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:37, 21 January 2016 (EST) | |
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| == Splitting article up? == | | ==NCIS Sydney== |
| | Should I wait until the episode/s airing in Australia in the last few weeks this month are accessible in Canada/US next month (January 2024) before screencapping, even though the show's backed by CBS and Paramount Plus? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 10:05, 23 December 2023 (UTC) |
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| Would like to ask anyone about splitting the [[Violence Jack]] article up since it has three different movies in it. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 07:28, 22 January 2016 (EST)
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| :Okay. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:31, 22 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::I'll see if I can ask Pyramid about doing that or failing that, do it myself. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 09:04, 22 January 2016 (EST)
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| :::This series contain three movie without overall plot (the only common character is Jack himself). But, the first movie lasts 40 minutes (40 min. 35 sec.), the second and third - both near one hour (1 h. 2 min. - second movie and 1 h. 1 min. - third movie). So, I dont know, how it's better to issue. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 09:24, 22 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::::I know the policy on short films, what's the policy on OVAs again? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:15, 22 January 2016 (EST)
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| :::::Maybe I was wrong, but I think, that's better keep the single page for all three OVAs, than create different pages for movies from one series. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 10:54, 22 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::::::It makes more sense to keep them together if they're OVAs. Can you work with someone to write a summary for the page then? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:20, 22 January 2016 (EST)
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| :::::::I'm sorry, I don't understand: should I write the short summary for each of three OVAs (each three sections)? [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 11:35, 22 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::::::::Just something at the top explaining that the page is for a series of three OVAs. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:54, 22 January 2016 (EST)
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| :::::::::I add the summary. Maw do you think: is this page complite? [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 16:24, 22 January 2016 (EST)
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| :::::::::: I personally would separate on the basis that the article is too long to compile all of them together. But if no one raises an objection, then I shall stand aside. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 20:28, 22 January 2016 (EST)
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| | | Happy New Year to all IMFDB and may this year be prolific in page editing too!--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 08:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC) |
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| Bah, after all this still seem to have just got something I missed, which I'm having a bit of trouble IDing, actually, hence this post - Some help, fellas? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 16:07, 24 January 2016 (EST)
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| :[[Colt Mustang Plus II]]? [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 16:40, 24 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::Its a [[Star Firestar]], I believe the 9mm M-43 but not absolutely 100% sure about that last part. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:41, 24 January 2016 (EST)
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| Found an Image of a blued one to show it better:[[File:Star Firestar M43 blued.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Star Firestar M-43, blued finish - 9x19mm]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:09, 24 January 2016 (EST)
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| : Ah, very good - thanks c552. Seems you don't see blued Firestars much which I guess is why I didn't think to check them. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 23:54, 24 January 2016 (EST)
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| Hello all. Hopefully I am doing this correctly. I'm a new member and have never posted or edited anything before.
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| There seem to be two seperate rifles that are referred to as "Norinco Type 56". The first and most common is the Chinese version of the AK-47. I see this on multiple pages. The other seems to be a Chinese version of the SKS rifle built by Izhevsk Machinebuilding Plant a.k.a "Izhmash". Now, the only spot on the SKS page that actually calls the Chinese version the "Norinco Type 56" is the bottom image on the Talk page for the SKS. I did notices that it's full name appears to be "Norinco Type 56 '''Carbine'''" in that image. The images on the main page just label it as the "Chinese built Type 56".
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| :I remembered [http://www.redstararms.com/type81.pdf this article], which gives some background. The reds also called their copy of the RPD the Type 56 as well. The SKS Type 56 was considered a carbine, and the AK Type was considered a submachine gun. It's not too different than the M1 Garand, M1 Carbine and M1 Thompson being in service at the same time I suppose. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:28, 26 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::I believe that the Chinese AK, SKS and RPD variants were all introduced in 1956, hence the Type 56 designation. This is actually more sensible than other countries that reuse designations more randomly, for example the UK where L1A1 has referred to at least a rifle, a heavy machine gun, a grenade launcher, a rocket launcher, a bayonet, various fuses and detonators, a couple of grenades, and a tank gun, all from different years and with no particular relation between them. Also, on talk pages remember to sign your posts by either pressing the signature button at the top of the edit window, or by just typing in <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. This way people can see who made the comment and when without looking through the edit history. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:35, 26 January 2016 (EST)
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| Hey thanks to both of you. I never thought about how it is basically the same with the "M1" name, but it makes perfect sense. Great article you linked to as well. I love stuff like that. And thanks for the advice on the signature thing... I was kinda wondering why my post was the only one with no user name or date at the end.--[[User:Kailin|Kailin]] ([[User talk:Kailin|talk]]) 09:55, 26 January 2016 (EST)
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| I'm sorry, I have some request: may somebody say is this pistol are [[Glock]] or not? The same character also holds [[M1911A1]], but methinks, that this pistol has different shape, but maybe, I'm wrong. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 16:08, 27 January 2016 (EST)
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| :Where are you getting Glock from? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:37, 27 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::Methinks, that shape a similar to glock. But, maybe, I'm wrong. What about [[CZ-75]]? [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 04:28, 28 January 2016 (EST)
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| :::Where are you getting CZ-75? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:10, 28 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::::Looks more like some TT-33, 1911 thing. Really, it could just be a generic pistol thing and not supposed to actually look like an actual gun. Me thinks it's the later.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 10:48, 28 January 2016 (EST)
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| :::::<s>I think, that TT ID is correct. Thanks!</s> After close inspection, I see, that this pistol has completely another trigger, differ, than TT or M1911. I shall continue searching. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 12:24, 28 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::::::"Really, it could just be a generic pistol thing and not supposed to actually look like an actual gun"^^^ Remember, this is anime not a real gun. It's just lines on a cel. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:32, 28 January 2016 (EST)
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| == Need help to ID a pistol ==
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| A character in ''[[Wild Geese II]]'' holds a pistol that looks very much alike a [[Colt Commander]] but has an external extractor. What can it be? I start doubting that it's an extractor at all, as it appears to be too short in comparison with external extractors on Star M1911 style pistols. Thanks in advance! [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:46, 5 February 2016 (EST)
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| [[File:Wild Geese II-M1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The best close view of the pistol.]]
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| [[File:Wild Geese II-M1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The general view of the pistol.]]
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| :Maybe a Llama of some sort? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:23, 5 February 2016 (EST)
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| ::All images of Llama pistols that I could find show longer extractors that cross the slide serration, and none of them has a ring hammer spur. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 16:35, 5 February 2016 (EST)
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| :::First thing that I think of is a [http://www.gazpisztoly.hu/contadatok/image/umarex/reckcommander/reck_commander_03.jpg Reck Commander], but I have no idea if they were around in 1985. Either way, my guess would be that it is some kind of blank fire only replica --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:39, 5 February 2016 (EST)
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| ::::Reck Commander matches perfectly, thanks! According to [http://www.gazpisztoly.hu/gazpisztoly/reck_commander.19.php this article], it appeared in late 1970s. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:45, 6 February 2016 (EST)
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| == Need help to ID grenade launcher ==
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| Hello! I'm sorry, I have some request: may somebody help me to ID this double barreled over/undrer grenade launcher? [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 18:05, 14 February 2016 (EST)
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| [[Image:TSCFoRY launcher 1 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close Up.]]
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| Looks like a [[GM-94 grenade launcher]]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:44, 14 February 2016 (EST)
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| :Thank you very much! [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 05:56, 15 February 2016 (EST)
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| ==Double checking assistance==
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| Working on the [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Heavy_Object Heavy Object] article. Need another pair of eyes to double check on an unknown missile launcher. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 10:08, 20 February 2016 (EST)
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| == Destiny? ==
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| First things first, yes I have read all the rules about fictional weapons, and Destiny has a ton of them, but, there are a few exceptions. One such example would be that the Astronauts in the intro are clearly seen holding [https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dyR9ZdVF2Kk/Vd_Nk8BV7UI/AAAAAAAAjqk/o_-PPVPSPKM/w1280-h720/9e93eb958a737bad5ffd75226c7e25825492597a.jpg unmodified MK 18 Mod 0s] which are painted white, the first gun you get is [http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/destinypedia/images/b/b1/TTK_Khvostov_7G-02.png/revision/latest?cb=20160104202329 an M4 with lots of modifications,] and the expansion features an [http://www.next-stage.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Supercellule-Zhalo-e1443830424355-1024x551.png AK with the mag in the stock(wtf?)], [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKsZq7qVEAQAZxh.png a cross between a SCAR H and an ARX160], as well as handguns, [http://www.gaminganimal.co.uk/home/wp-content/uploads/Ironwreath-Sidearm.jpg some of which resemble sigs,] [http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/destinypedia/images/b/b5/Thalestris-C_H%C3%A4kke_Sidearm.png/revision/latest?cb=20150924151132 others resemble Glocks.] (Although not shown in the picture, it does have that same backplate as a glock.) Another thing worth noting is that the scout rifles have [http://i0.wp.com/planetdestiny.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/destiny-best-scout-rifles.png?resize=660%2C330 lowers that look almost identical to P90s.] If we did make a page, I would only put weapons that are undoubtedly based on real ones. I normally wouldn't bring this up, but Black Ops III has a page, and none of the weapons are THAT close to real ones. If the answer is no, then fine, I'll leave it. I just felt it was worth a shot.
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| (I'll admit that the sidearms and scout rifle might be a bit of a stretch)--[[User:BlackHawk510|BlackHawk510]] ([[User talk:BlackHawk510|talk]]) 15:48, 27 February 2016 (EST)
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| :I'm going to lean towards no. There was a lot of pushback on the ''BO3'' page as well. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:39, 27 February 2016 (EST)
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| ::Alright, I'll leave it at that.--[[User:BlackHawk510|BlackHawk510]] ([[User talk:BlackHawk510|talk]]) 01:01, 28 February 2016 (EST)
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| ==Durarara!!×2 Ketsu article help==
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| Been trying to figure out in [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Durarara!!%C3%972_Ketsuthe page] on the grenade shown by Simon. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 08:58, 28 February 2016 (EST)
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| :Wow, that is a hell of a lot of weird grenades. I think they are all Russian, and firstly I believe that the F-1 is actually an RGD-5 based on the fact that it lacks the texture and you can just make out the centre rib. As for all the grenades on the sheet with the guns, I can make pretty good guesses at all of them. The green small one looks like a flashbang called the Drofa (these are green in real life like this but are more slender, there are also versions with tear gas that are thicker but are not green), and the spikey bottom one is another flashbang called a Zarya-2. As for the blue ones I am not sure, as there is a whole load of smoke, tear gas and flash grenades that have this general shape. The dark blue is reminiscent of an RGR tear gas grenade however the shape of the lever is wrong, looking more like a RGK-60SZ flashbang (I notice that the rest are also flashbangs, is this the type that all of these are meant to be?). Lastly, the big one is another flashbang, I believe called a Fakel. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 10:40, 28 February 2016 (EST)
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| :: Thanks. I found the rest of the details [http://guntact.ru/forums/166/-/newest-posts here], but it's in Russian. Otherwise, it confirms most of your info. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 20:23, 28 February 2016 (EST)
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| :::If you need, I can make a translation of the Russian text, only a little later. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 02:07, 29 February 2016 (EST)
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| :::That'd be great. Only in terms of confirming the IDs I made on the page. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 02:40, 29 February 2016 (EST)
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| ::::I put the translated text on your talk page. There are short descriptions and some data. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 04:48, 29 February 2016 (EST)
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| :::::I don't suppose you happen to able to work out what the difference is between Zarya, Zarya-2, Plamja, Plamja-M and Plamja-M2 grenades is do you? I have found pictures of both the larger and smaller grenades labelled as Zarya-2s with other places stating that the smaller is the Zarya, however, I have found kind of official looking schematics which call the smaller the Zarya-2, and from the stats you translated the Zarya-2 has a smaller weight and payload so doubt that it would be the larger one. As for the Plamja series do you know how these differ from the Zarya? Some places seem to suggest it is just a different fuse (I'm guessing impact, one translated source came out as "scratch" fuse), but from the stats they seem to have actually different effects. Also, does the shape of the lever on the fuse of Russian grenades mean anything or is it random? I originally dismissed the RGR as having the wrong shaped lever, but have now found images of ones with a matching double kink lever. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:57, 29 February 2016 (EST)
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| ::::::The source that I translated doesn't contain more info, but a brief search gives [http://www.bratishka.ru/archiv/2013/04/2013_4_3.php a good article] in Russian; the first image in this source shows ''Plamya'' which is a sort of land mine rather than a grenade as it's not throwed by hand but planted on place. The second image is ''Zarya-2'' (additions like -2, -M and similar usually mean modifications in size, weight, explosive charge, and so on). The third image shows a fuze at the left, ''Fakel'' (large white cylinder) in center, and ''Fakel-Salon'' (for usage indoors unlike ''Fakel'' that is intended for outdoor usage) at the right. The following images are ''Fakel'', ''Vzlyot-M'', ''GSZ'', ''Vuyshka'', ''GRD'' (a smoke grenade) and ''ASZ-40 Svirel'' for grenade launcher. About the fuze levers: the shape of the lever of the fuze is usually standard, and a different lever of the same fuze may be if the fuze is a training version, or sometimes if it was manufactured not in USSR/Russia but in other state (like UZRG fuse of Romanian and Bulgarian manufacture differs from a Russian one). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 08:59, 29 February 2016 (EST)
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| == Need help to identify a pistol ==
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| Please help to identify a Smith & Wesson pistol. It appears in a French 1991 movie. The combination of short slide, non-ambidexterious safety, fixed sights and rounded trigger guard doesn't match any of S&W pistols that I could find. Thanks in advance! [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 02:35, 29 February 2016 (EST)
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| :It is a nickel plated S&W 59. You can tell it is a 1st gen rather than a 2nd gen by the fact that the slide stop pin is in front of the double stack frame step. If it was a 2nd gen stainless though it would be a 659 as these were originally made with a round trigger guard and non-ambi safety. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:26, 29 February 2016 (EST)
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| ::Thanks! I searched only among stainless steel pistols and didn't have an idea that it could be a nickel plated pistol. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 05:31, 29 February 2016 (EST)
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| == London Has Fallen ==
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| Saw the movie today, and I highly recommend it. Lots of action, plausible plot, stunning visual effects. Of course there was a wide variety of weapons in use, too many to count or study at first glance. Plenty of battlefield pickups.
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| The movie doesn't seem to be restricted by political "correctness." The "bad guys" are Arab males who live in the Middle East, but their religion isn't mentioned. The "motive" for the terror isn't jihad, but revenge. These particular bad guys are arms dealers who supply jihadist groups, seeking revenge against the US for a drone strike which took out the daughter of the main villain.
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| :Meh, pc:ness is overrated. If someone is offended, maybe they shouldn´t watch these generic action movies. I´ve been waiting to see London Has Fallen myself, but it premieres in cinemas in April where I live... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 02:14, 5 March 2016 (EST)
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| == Seeking input for article! ==
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| Hello IMFDB community!
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| I am a journalist writing about games and technology, and I'm currently writing an article about weapons in video games. Specifically, the piece is about the difference between games with realistic present-day weapons and games with fantastical sci-fi weapons. A focal point will be the way that the Call of Duty franchise has shifted from historical settings to near-future settings to more distant futures, and how the weapons in the game have shifted along with that.
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| I stumbled upon the IMFDB while researching this piece, and the way you include certain games but exclude other more fanciful franchises (E.g. Halo, Destiny) really highlights some of the things I'm trying to explore in this article.
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| I was hoping to talk to someone in your community about how decisions are made on which games you cover, and what the criteria are. (Policy is spelled out quite clearly on the site, but I'd love to hear a little bit of the history of how the current consensus was arrived at, and what some of the points of contention have been over the years.)
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| I would also love to talk to someone who enjoys games that feature accurate real-world weapons, and has contributed to IMFDB pages about those games.
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| If you're up for an interview, you can contact me a chrisbaker1337 at gmail.
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| Thanks so much!
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| :The site originally covered movies and TV, anime and video games were added later. Certain sci-fi/fantasy weapons are included here because they were built from real weapons, like the pulse rifles in ''Aliens'' or the blasters in ''Star Wars''. This excludes video games like ''Halo'' and ''Destiny''. In theory, if someone were to make a live-action ''Halo'' movie using real firearms (''Forward Unto Dawn'' used replicas with CGI muzzle flash), that might open the door ''Halo''. As for COD, I'm disappointed that it's strayed so far into sci-fi, but I suppose it makes sense from a business perspective. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:32, 24 March 2016 (EDT)
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| ::I know I've said this before, or something like this, but I would like to mention that there are quite a few of ''Destiny'''s weapons that are combinations of real ones, (E.G. the "Arminius-D" is simply a combination of a SCAR-H and a Beretta ARX160), and there are some obvious AR15s (unmodified Mk18 carbines in the intro, and a heavily modified M4 which has the receiver almost untouched is the first weapon acquired), so ''Destiny'' ''is'' still something you could mention in your article, although its qualification for an IMFDB page is still quite debatable.--[[User:BlackHawk510|BlackHawk510]] ([[User talk:BlackHawk510|talk]]) 13:31, 24 March 2016 (EDT)
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| == ID check ==
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| Need someone to go help and look [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Lucifer over this and see if I made a boo boo in IDing them.] Thanks. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 10:33, 30 March 2016 (EDT)
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| :The revolver ID'd as a Model 67 appears to have a 5 round cylinder along with a shoruded ejector rod, my guess would be that it is a newer Model 60 with a 3" barrel and adjustable sights. Also, to me none of the "LA gangsters" in that shot are using Glocks, the one on the right has a Ruger and the one on the left has what looks like a SIG, my guess a P226 but can't really tell. I'm not sure about the Kimar Lady K either, that is identifiable most easily by the black trigger guard and controls which are not present on this gun. The shape also looks slightly off for a Walther PP/PPK, with it lacking a safety, the slide serrations are different and the magazine release is too low. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:44, 30 March 2016 (EDT)
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| :: I made some remarks on IDs on the [[Talk:Lucifer|talk page]], check there. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:32, 30 March 2016 (EDT)
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| == Call of Duty Black Ops Commando. ==
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| Most people saying that is an Colt 933, or an Colt 733 (M4 Commando). Also some said that "Firstly, as far as I know there is no such thing as a Model 733 with a flat top, that is just a Model 933. What do you think the difference is? The gun in the game isn't a Model 933 or a 733 though, as regardless of the different design of rail, it also has a slickside upper receiver without a FA or BD. The closest match I can come up with would be a GAU-5A/A with a flash hider rather than the moderator (which was actually done) with a fictional/custom upper with a sight rail. --commando552". He said it in the link. http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Talk:Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops#Commando_in_Black_Ops. I'm am trying to figure it out what the gun really is. --[[User:Treliazz777|Treliazz777]] ([[User talk:Treliazz777|talk]]) 22:27, 15 April 2016 (EDT)
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| : I don't get what it is you're trying to ask here, frankly - Is it about the gun in the game or the gun image here? If the latter, well the gun in that image is a Model 933 with an older 'Fiberlite' collapsible stock, rather than the later M4-style 6-position stock. But it's still a M933 - Per commando552's quote there, Model 733s do not have, nor ever had flat-top removable carry handle upper receivers (Refer to the [[Colt AR-15 Identification Guide]]). If the former, my remarks (if any) will be in the linked discussion page. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 01:15, 16 April 2016 (EDT)
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| ==Checkup==
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| [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Legends_of_Tomorrow_-_Season_1 Need help from fellow editors to see if my IDing is okay]. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 02:08, 16 April 2016 (EDT)
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| :It looks okay to me, the unknown sniper rifle Sara is using could be Nemesis Arms Vanquish or Kel-Tec RFB, I'm not too sure. I suppose there's no better view of the rifle in any part of the episode? --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 03:04, 16 April 2016 (EDT)
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| :: Looks like a Vanquish. The way she holds it wouldn't make sense if it's a Kel-Tec. I also took a look at the barrel as well. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 08:51, 16 April 2016 (EDT)
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| ::: Most of it looks good, there's a couple IDs I question, but I'll note that on the talk page. I do believe the rifle you refer is indeed a Nemesis Arms Vanquish. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:15, 16 April 2016 (EDT)
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| == Another year... ==
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| ...another [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeF3UTkCoxY CoD game] Trigger warning for those easily offended, but i actually think it looks fun as hell.
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| I'm not to sure about making an entry for this game, ''however'', along with Infinite Warfare comes the Modern Warfare remake, should we add some new screens form that "remaster" to the current CoD:MW entry?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:57, 2 May 2016 (EDT)
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| :I didn't see anything identifiable. Even if it is eligible, and at the moment, I don't think it is, it's a bit early. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:35, 2 May 2016 (EDT)
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| ::I think this game is going for the Frankengun designs, judging by this image. From what I can tell, this is going the Halo route in terms of weapon designs.--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 23:26, 2 May 2016 (EDT)
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| [[File:CODIWOddWeapon.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Looks like a mismatch of random weapon parts]]
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| :::Looks like a mix between that Magpul PDR, a P90 and it seems to have something similar to a LR-300 handguard betweem the sights for some reason. Why are guns so bulky in the future?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 12:06, 4 May 2016 (EDT)
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| ::::That thing is an abomination. It is clearly cobbled together by somebody who has no idea how the guns they are taking parts from actually work. For example, it also has the T style charging handle from an AR, but it is mounted into the scope rail rather than being anywhere near the bolt (granted it could be connected by a rod or manipulate a long stroke gas piston but lets be honest, they weren't thinking that). It also looks like the distance it can travel before it hits that cheek riser is less than the length of a round anyway, and the bolt would need to travel father than this to cycle the weapon at all. Why does it have a cheek riser anyway? The sights are already pretty low and by adding that you make it downright impossible to look through them comfortably. And what's up with the little length of pic rail in the middle of the receiver? It has bits of gun both ahead and behind it that protrude farther than it so not only would you not be able to use attachments that have to slide onto the rail, it would have to be something with a large stand-off to see over the handguard, which is pointless part anyway as you can't possibly hold it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:01, 4 May 2016 (EDT)
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| :::::Yeah, I'd say draw the line here unless something a bit more "real" turns up later on. We should probably put a locked placeholder page there saying why we don't have one, though. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 14:32, 4 May 2016 (EDT)
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| ::::::But it looks c007 br0!!1 Really though, i agree that the weapon design doesn't make any sense, then again, is there any case where it ''does'' make sense in a game with fictional weapons? It's like that AR thing in Borderlands 2, which had a lower receiver similar to a Vektor.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:36, 4 May 2016 (EDT)
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| :::::::Trigger warning? What is this, Tumblr? Haha, bad joke, I know. [[User:CloversCorner|CloversCorner]] ([[User talk:CloversCorner|talk]]) 16:30, 4 May 2016 (EDT)
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| ::::::::I was taking the piss.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:13, 4 May 2016 (EDT)
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| :::::::::Trigger discipline warning? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 16:23, 6 May 2016 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::I don't i don't know.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:51, 6 May 2016 (EDT)
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| :So, Game Informer just released their cover story on COD: IW and, just looking at the cover alone, there is only ONE gun I can maybe ID. The rest just look like [http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2016/06/10/july-cover-revealed-call-of-duty-infinite-warfare.aspx?utm_content=buffer3c550&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer frankenguns] --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 12:09, 10 June 2016 (EDT)
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| ::Yeah, I found some more images showing that rifle ([http://assets.vg247.com/current//2016/06/call_of_duty_infinite_warfare_possible_new_art_2.jpg], [http://charlieintel.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Call-of-Duty-Infinite-Warfare-Key-Art.jpg], [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8yEJeJzGNU8/maxresdefault.jpg]). The receiver is pretty similar to [http://www.tacticallink.com/Northtech-Defense-AR15-Billet-Upper-and-Lower-Receiver-Matched-Set-NT15SS.html this Northtech Defense one]. Plus, I think there's a Glock in a holster of the guy second from the left on the ''GI'' cover.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 22:49, 11 June 2016 (EDT)
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| ::Also, in the first image I linked, the rifle the guy on the left is holding has of course been mirrored.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 23:02, 11 June 2016 (EDT)
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| :::It's similar to the Northtech, but I believe that it is actually a [https://www.vltor.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/mur-1a-copy-e1434567200792.png VLTOR MUR-1A]. This rifle looks suspiciously like a real,practical rifle for a futuristic COD game. I t makes me think that it is a bait-and-switch and by the time of final release it will have been replaced with some sci-fi abomination --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:49, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
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| ::::Looks like you got it. I doubt they'll remove that rifle from the game, though. While it is a strange choice in such a ''COD'' game set even further in the future than ''Black Ops III'' (which just barely included actual weapons), it looks they created a new model for it, and you can tell they tried to make it look futuristic with stuff like those bulky handguard attachments. It's also front and present on the game's new cover (the second image I linked). But, even if they remove the rifle, I can't see them taking out that Glock from the game; that's probably just a part of the character's model.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 15:43, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
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| :::::Apparently the further into the future we go, the bulkier and less ergonomical (and more complicated) weapons become.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:01, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
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| == Battlefield Uno ==
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| Here's a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7nRTF2SowQ trailer] for the new BF. It's called Battlefield 1 (Steve Burns wouldn't like this) and it takes place in alternate history WW1 with lots of orange glowy things and dubstep. It got trains and horses to(o)!--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:30, 6 May 2016 (EDT)
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| :Also, plenty of WW1 guns to go around. Here's to us hoping weapons like the [[Fedorov Avtomat]] will make appearances. Also, is it too much to hope for a BF2142 Titan gamemode, only with Zeppelins?--[[User:SSgt LuLZ|SSgt LuLZ]] ([[User talk:SSgt LuLZ|talk]]) 08:16, 7 May 2016 (GMT)
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| ::I wanna see that Chauchat machine gun, that would be fun. --[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 20:24, 6 May 2016 (EDT)
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| :COUGH COUGH More Premium bs COUGH COUGH
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| :::COUGH COUGH sign your posts COUGH COUGH--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 11:17, 7 May 2016 (EDT)
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| ==Checking assistance==
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| Need some help to check and see if I missed anything [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Gotham_-_Season_2 here] and [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Joker_Game here]. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 09:00, 17 May 2016 (EDT)
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| ==Duplicate?==
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| Anyone would light to weight on whether to delete either one of the images [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:M4_SWAT-1-.jpg here] or [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:M4_SWAT-1-A.jpg here] since they're almost the same. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 09:10, 23 May 2016 (EDT)
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| :I'm inclined to delete the first one, but it's in use on quite a few pages. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:44, 23 May 2016 (EDT)
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| ::I think the best one is probably the second one, but the previous version before it was over darkened. As for it being on a lot of pages, I wouldn't worry about it too much as we can just delete the file and replace it with a redirect to the preferred version. That way the code doesn't need to be changed on any pages. For example [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=File:PC9111.jpg&redirect=no this page] was a duplicate file so it was deleted and replaced with a redirect to the [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Springfield_Custom_Professional_1911-A1.jpg other version]. If you look at the file usage you can see that some pages still link through the old file name, but functionally it has zero effect. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:36, 23 May 2016 (EDT)
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| :::If anyone has no issues, I can take care of that after I leave the office. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 21:01, 23 May 2016 (EDT)
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| == Help to ID the pistol (missed gun from Najica Blitz Tactics) ==
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| May somebody helps me to ID the pistol from [[Najica Blitz Tactics]]:
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| The Humaritt Koharu (SSS) uses a it in "Mission: 005 - The Fragile Dream with a Crimson Colored Horizon".
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| [[File:Najica pistol 1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Humaritt Koharu (SSS) fires.]]
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| [[File:Najica pistol 2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The grip is seen.]]
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| My guess: it's may be [[Walther P38]] or [[Luger P08]] or [[Nambu Type 14]]? [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 08:45, 31 May 2016 (EDT)
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| [[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther P38 pistol (manufactured at the Mauser Factory) - World War II dated - 9x19mm]]
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| [[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm. This is blank adapted movie gun.]]
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| [[Image:NambuType14Pistol.jpg |thumb|300px|none|Late Nambu Type 14 - 8x22mm Nambu]]
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| :I believe it is a Luger. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:10, 31 May 2016 (EDT)
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| :: I concur, Luger P08. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:45, 31 May 2016 (EDT)
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| :::Many thanks for the help! [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 14:55, 31 May 2016 (EDT)
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| == Cry of Fear page ==
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| I'm interested in creating a page for [http://store.steampowered.com/app/223710/?snr=1_7_15__13 Cry of Fear], by far one of the best horror games out there (on par with Silent Hill) It was initially a mod (made on the Half-Life GoldSource engine) that eventually got a standalone release three years ago. Is it OK to create a page for it? Despite it's former mod status?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 19:16, 14 June 2016 (EDT)
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| :If it's a standalone, it would qualify. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 19:59, 14 June 2016 (EDT)
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| ::Nice. Now i just gotta get the balls to play it, super spoopy.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 21:19, 14 June 2016 (EDT)
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| :::The game's description claims that this is a glock 19, but the size makes it look more like a glock 17. Any idea what it might actually be? BTW, can glock 19s take 15 round mags?
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| :::[[File:CoF glock misc2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|This game is freaking scary.]]
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| ::::As for the picture, looks more like a Glock 17 to me. The standard magazine for a Glock 19 is a 15 rounder, so, yes the can take them. If you meant to ask if a Glock 17 can take 15 round magazines, I don't believe so short of customised ones. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:44, 15 June 2016 (EDT)
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| ::::: Well, you can always down-load a larger mag. Anyway I agree about that being a G17, slide looks too long for a 19. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:55, 15 June 2016 (EDT)
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| As for the frame, it looks pretty close to a full-size one, is it though?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:48, 15 June 2016 (EDT)
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| [[File:CoF glock reloading2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|still scary.]]
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| :That's also a Glock 17. Easiest way to tell from this angle is the shape of the bottom of the pistol grip. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:57, 15 June 2016 (EDT)
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| ::Glock 17 confirmed. Thanks.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 19:22, 15 June 2016 (EDT)
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| :::I'd also just like to add that that is a really common 3d model (Possibly freeware) for a Glock 17. It's used in tons of mods/addons for source games.--[[User:BlackHawk510|BlackHawk510]] ([[User talk:BlackHawk510|talk]]) 14:25, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
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| ::::I was thinking that it might be some kind of freeware model, but according to the game's credits, the model and animations were made for Cry of Fear.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:58, 16 June 2016 (EDT)
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| More ID help plz, what's this rifle? Kinda reminds me of an Lee-Enfield SMLE.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 10:08, 18 June 2016 (EDT)
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| [[File:CoF rifle.jpg|thumb|600px|none|This is a really good model considering the engine it runs on.]]
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| :It is definitely an SMLE No. 1 Mk.III* but not certain about the exact variation. It appears to have the scope of the Australian HT model but it is missing the wood cheek rest on the stock which that should have. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:15, 18 June 2016 (EDT)
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| Hopefully this is the last time i'll need help with IDing. This gun looks an Ruger P90, but it seems to mix parts from a KP90. Additionally, the gun is called "P345" in-game. Is there any ruger handgun by that name? Any handgun at all with that name?
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| [[File:CoF ruger misc1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Not the best image admittedly.]]
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| :As the name suggests, it is a [https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ruger+p345&client=ubuntu&hs=san&channel=fs&biw=1280&bih=810&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF1On1urfNAhUD5xoKHS83BUQQ_AUICSgC Ruger P345]. It replaced the P97 in 2004, and was replaced by the SR45 in 2013. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:44, 20 June 2016 (EDT)
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| ::Wow, thanks! Didn't know about that gun.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:36, 20 June 2016 (EDT)
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| :::Just a little thing, the P345 in the game is specifically a P345PR as it has a rail on the dust cover, but you can still just call it a P345 if you want, since that's still correct as Ruger seems to have dropped the "PR" from the name once the rail became standard. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 04:06, 21 June 2016 (EDT)
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| ::::Is this the first (known) appearance of that gun in any media? There's no page for it on the site.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 10:22, 21 June 2016 (EDT)
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| :::::Just add a section for it in the Ruger P series page. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 20:07, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
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| == Help to ID some guns ==
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| Hello! I'm sorry, I have some request: may somebody help me to ID firearms in this [[User:Pyramid Silent/Sandbox 2|page]]? Thanks! [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 10:07, 27 June 2016 (EDT)
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| :What the hell is going on on that show?!--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:45, 27 June 2016 (EDT)
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| ::It's funny, "Pistol 2" has a [[Walther]] marking. But that's all I can say. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:55, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
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| == Some pics ==
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| Hey Everyone, MPM2008 here. How have you been? Will be posting some nice pics of screen used guns soon. I saw PhoenixEnt over the weekend and it was nice. Got some great help from PhoenixEnt, Papac from Cinema Weaponry and Mike Tristano and a few others (but I had forgotten how much a hassle it is to set up backgrounds and studio photography of the guns.) LOL. Everyone was great and very helpful. More cools pics are coming soon. best regards, MPM [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 20:43, 27 June 2016 (EDT)
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| :yey--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 20:48, 27 June 2016 (EDT)
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| :More well-shot reference pictures would be nice to have. Keep at it, MPM2008! --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 22:47, 27 June 2016 (EDT)
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| :Amazing stuff as always! It's great to finally have some good shots of the ''R.I.P.D.'' revolvers.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 01:58, 28 June 2016 (EDT)
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| ==Identify this revolver please!!!==
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| As topic.
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| [[File:Nerorevolver.jpg|500px|thumb|none]]
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| :[[Smith & Wesson Military & Police]]? P.S. Please sign your posts. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 17:27, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
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| ::Smith & Wesson Model 10 with customized grips. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 17:29, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
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| :::Thanks!!! btw anime is called 91 Days
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| ::::Once again, please don't forget to sign your messages by adding <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 06:37, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
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| == Rifle ID ==
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| I ran into this while capping ''[[The Man from U.N.C.L.E. - Season 1]]''. Bolt action rifle, commercial, since it has the butter knife handle and the double triggers. Don't mind the weird underbarrel thing, that's a mocked up infrared scope. I don't think it's a Mannlicher-Schoenauer, given the placement of the bolt. Any ideas? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:40, 20 July 2016 (EDT)
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| [[Image:UNCLE_0117_rifle_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A THRUSH assassin takes aim in "The Yellow Scarf Affair" (S01E17).]]
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| [[Image:UNCLE_0117_rifle_02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of the infrared device. Despite having real M3 carbine, which were designed to see in the dark, and the THRUSH carbine, the producers felt the need for yet a third rifle/carbine which could see in the dark.]]
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| [[Image:UNCLE_0117_rifle_03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of the double triggers and the "butter knife" bolt handle.]]
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| [[Image:UNCLE_0117_rifle_04.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Thuggee assassins with the rifle in "The Yellow Scarf Affair" (S01E17).]]
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| :Some kind of [[Mauser Sporter]]? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:02, 21 July 2016 (EDT)
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| ::Could be. Thanks! --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 09:02, 21 July 2016 (EDT)
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| == Help with page ==
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| My meds have stopped working on me and I need some help setting page up [[Talk:The Soldier (1982)]]. It could be 12 or more hours before I can sit still long enough to type. I would appreciate any help with getting the page correct. [[User:Mark in tx|Mark in tx]] ([[User talk:Mark in tx|talk]]) 00:46, 22 July 2016 (EDT)
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| :As I can see, the main problem is a wrong aspect ratio of the screenshots, as they look too stretched. Also, a minor mistake: when you are creating links, don't put brackets inside square brackets. Not [[(Steve James)]] but ([[Steve James]]). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 01:08, 22 July 2016 (EDT)
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| ::The cap are from a VHS rip, that is the aspect ratio of the film. I"ll go back and fix the brackets issue, thank you. [[User:Mark in tx|Mark in tx]] ([[User talk:Mark in tx|talk]]) 02:01, 22 July 2016 (EDT)
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| :::I think somebody did the rip wrong in that case. Compare the two images below:[[File:Soldier w berlin bhp.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Your original aspect ratio]][[File:Soldier w berlin bhp 16by9.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Corrected aspect ratio]]The second image has been corrected to a 16:9 aspect ratio, and to me it is pretty obvious that this one is more correct (unless that actor has a freakiashly shaped head). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:32, 22 July 2016 (EDT)
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| == Unable to upload pictures? ==
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| For the last few days I have been unable to upload any pictures, does anybody else have the same problem?--[[User:Hchris|Hchris]] ([[User talk:Hchris|talk]]) 11:24, 23 July 2016 (EDT)
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| :you sure your pictures are jpgs and not pngs or something else? I haven't had any problems--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 12:12, 23 July 2016 (EDT)
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| ::A usual cure for this problem is a renaming of a file that causes an error. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:49, 23 July 2016 (EDT)
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| The Other users are correct. I don't see any problem in uploading images to IMFDB at this time. Double check that they are JPEGs and not some other wonky file type. Also makes sure that the actual file names appears in the line for that info on the upload page. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 22:52, 23 July 2016 (EDT)
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| :MPM you are the best :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:01, 24 July 2016 (EDT)
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| :: I tried it again and it does not work, I always get this error message: '''Could not create directory "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/0/00".''' What does this mean? Yep it is .jpg format, I did everything the same as the other screenshots I uploaded. --[[User:Hchris|Hchris]] ([[User talk:Hchris|talk]]) 06:06, 24 July 2016 (EDT)
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| :::The problem is with all and every upload or with a single image? In second case try to rename the file, remove all spaces and dashes from the name, for example. Usually this helps. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 06:33, 24 July 2016 (EDT)
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| :::: You may also have to move around your images on your end as well (to a different folder, that is) in addition to renaming them prior to uploading - I've had to do that on some caps myself. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:42, 24 July 2016 (EDT)
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| :::::The wiki doesn't like certain combinations of numbers, especially things like -627- or -1911-. Try removing any numbers from your filename or adding some letters around them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 15:07, 27 July 2016 (EDT)
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| == The Walking Dead Season 7 Page? ==
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| Anyone gotta make a page for TWD Season 7? I know what guns are seen in the Season 7 trailer, Dwight ([[Austin Amelio]]) switches from SIG P226 to Smith & Wesson M&P, a Kingdom guy draws a Beretta 92FS, Saviors with FN FAL, scoped AR-15, Remington or Winchester rifles, Heath ([[Corey Hawkins]]) continues to use his Benelli B76, Unknown teenage girl fires a scoped M4A1, and Tara ([[Alanna Masterson]]) holds a Remington 870 Wingmaster.
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| But I know Morgan ([[Lennie James]]) has a Beretta 92FS holstered, Spencer ([[Austin Nichols]]) with his Norinco Type 56 AK, Gabriel ([[Seth Gilliam]]) with his Winchester Model 70, Negan ([[Jeffrey Dean Morgan]]) has a Springfield Armory TRP, and Tara & Savior ([[Steven Ogg]]) has their M&Ps holstered.
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| From SpoilingTheDeadFans Facebook, a few Saviors are seen carrying Remington rifles or shotguns, Steyr AUG without a scope, Norinco Type 56 & 56-1 AKs, and a H&K MP5A2 or A3?
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| That's all I can find until October 23.
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| [[User:Thestormjamieson|Thestormjamieson]] ([[User talk:Thestormjamieson|talk]]) 16:51, 27 July 2016 (CST)
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| :You could start making a page, seems like you've already I.D some weapons.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:17, 27 July 2016 (EDT)
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| ::I honestly don't know how to make a page or what to type. I know how to upload and add stuff into a page but yeah, that's all I can do. I checked STDF Facebook again and it's a Heckler & Koch MP5A2. [[User:Thestormjamieson|Thestormjamieson]] ([[User talk:Thestormjamieson|talk]]) 17:42, 27 July 2016 (CST)
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| ::: [[IMFDB Page Templates]] contains pretty much a basic level of all the formatting and layout needed to start a page. The [[IMFDB Style Guide]] and [[IMFDB Screencapping Guide]] - both of which are included in the welcome message in the first section in your personal talk page - contain additional relevant editing info that should help carry you most the rest of the way. That said, users must refrain from using any images unless they are released legitimately and officially. Until legit images and/or trailers are released, I think you'll just have to wait before starting said page. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 02:08, 28 July 2016 (EDT)
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| == Site Crash ==
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| At approximately noon PST today the imfdb web server suffered a terminal failure, wiping the entire boot and swap partition. The database server was not affected. Restoration was successfully completed from a backup made just before the failure to a new web server. Approximate downtime was 4 hours. --[[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]]) 18:47, 31 July 2016 (EDT)
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| == CZ 82/CZ 83 ==
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| We have separate pages for [[CZ 82]] and [[CZ 83]] pistols. As far as I know, this is the same gun that differs only in caliber: CZ 82 (Česká Zbrojovka vz. 82) is a base version in 9x18 PM, intended for Czechoslovakian military, while CZ 83 is a commercial version in .32 ACP, .380 ACP and 9x18 PM. So I suggest to merge these pages under CZ 82/83 title. What do you think? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 02:50, 1 August 2016 (EDT)
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| :Makes sense. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:53, 1 August 2016 (EDT)
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| ::I'd agree with merging them. Aside from the slide markings are there any differences between an early model 83 and and 82? I'm just wondering how we would be able to tell those apart at all without a really close look. I believe the 83s tend to have a nicer finish, but this is generally a very hard thing to tell in movies or TV so wondered if there was a more definitive difference for ID'ing them. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:36, 1 August 2016 (EDT)
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| :::Hey Greg, while you're at it, could you please also mention CZ 82 on the general [[CZ]] page? Currently only CZ 83 is mentioned there, [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 09:35, 1 August 2016 (EDT)
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| ::::OK, so I'll merge both pages and add appropriate redirects, and fix CZ page also. Thanks. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 14:24, 1 August 2016 (EDT)
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| == PPSh-41 page really should be split up ==
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| There was a discussion about this ~five years ago on the weapon's [[http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Talk:PPSh-41_/_PPS-43|Talk Page]], but it didn't really seem to reach a solid conclusion and the page stayed the same. The PPD-40, PPSh-41, and PPS-43 have a lot of similarities (open bolt blowback, same caliber, all three use 35 round mags and only the PPS lacks a 71 round drum) but are ultimately completely different. They don't share magazines or a significant number of parts and all three were designed by different people - they're related in name and function only. This is made worse by the fact that the completely unrelated Suomi KP/-31 is also listed there despite using a completely different straight blowback system and ultimately being an unrelated development (only the shape looks similar.)
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| The general argument against separating the page seemed to be ease of use and finding pages, but considering that the [[Bergmann MP18]], [[Haenel-Schmeisser MP28/II]], and [[Lanchester Mk. I]] all have separate pages despite having much, much more in common, (the MP28 ''is'' an MP18 and the Lanchester is a direct derivative) it doesn't make sense that ''similar looking'' guns are grouped together simply to avoid confusion (the SA Vz.58 is not listed on the AK page despite often being confused for one.)
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| If the plan is to stick to the facts, then they should be separated. --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 10:07, 3 August 2016 (EDT)
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| :I support this proposal. I see the following separate pages:
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| * PPS-43 (and Tikkakoski M/44 / Dux M53, if those would appear)
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| - [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 10:56, 3 August 2016 (EDT)
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