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=Additional Images= | |||
[[ | [[File:Masada-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Magpul Masada SPR - 5.56x45mm NATO]] | ||
[[ | [[File:Bushmaster ACR L-side EOTech.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bushmaster ACR with 16.5" barrel, black finish, EOTech EXPS3 sight, tri-rail hanguard, and BUIS - 5.56x45mm NATO]] | ||
[[ | [[File:ACR DMR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bushmaster ACR DMR - 5.56x45mm NATO]] | ||
[[ | [[File:Acr 450.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bushmaster ACR - .450 Bushmaster]] | ||
[[File:ACR 10.5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Early Remington ACR-E with 10.5" barrel, tan finish, Magpul PMAG, and tri-rail handguard - 5.56x45mm NATO]] | |||
[[File:Remington ACR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington ACR with 16.5" barrel, Magpul PMAG, 5-sided handguard, and suppressor - 5.56x45mm NATO]] | |||
[[File:ACR2012.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington ACR 2012 version with 16.5" barrel, tan finish, and 5-sided handguard, and STANAG magazine - 5.56x45mm NATO]] | |||
===Airsoft Images=== | |||
[[File:Airsoft Masada Gen 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Airsoft Magpul PTS Masada CQB 5.56 DE - JD Airsoft Ltd. Representative of Gen 2 Magpul Masada.]] | |||
[[File:Airsoft Masada Gen 2 (black).jpg|thumb|none|500px|Airsoft Magpul PTS Masada CQB 5.56 Black - JD Airsoft Ltd. Representative of Gen 2 Magpul Masada.]] | |||
===Screen-Used Images=== | |||
[[File:Jamesgeorgopouloscruiseoblivionimfdb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jack's Rifle (a Bushmaster ACR housed in a futuristic shell). This is the screen-used firearm carried by [[Tom Cruise]] in the film ''Oblivion''. '''Thanks to [[User:Jimmygcreative|James Georgopoulos]]'''.]] | |||
[[File:ACR TFDOTM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bushmaster ACR with custom barrel shroud - 5.56x45mm. Screen used firearm shown in ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]''. Image courtesy of '''Xtreme Props'''.]] | |||
=Discussion= | |||
==ACR fragility== | ==ACR fragility== | ||
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In what context is the weapon considered as a carbine rather than a standard assault rifle? Does it depend on the barrel length, or variant (Bushmaster/Remington), or is it always a carbine? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 14:58, 25 July 2016 (EDT) | In what context is the weapon considered as a carbine rather than a standard assault rifle? Does it depend on the barrel length, or variant (Bushmaster/Remington), or is it always a carbine? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 14:58, 25 July 2016 (EDT) | ||
: I'd imagine carbines are more akin to SMGs, not only the barrel lenght but things like the caliber, muzzle velocity, etc.. In any case my 40 years old father, who's got experience with CETME assault rifles says AR's are for CQB engagements (not saying they cant be used for longer ranges however).--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 16:29, 25 July 2016 (EDT) | : I'd imagine carbines are more akin to SMGs, not only the barrel lenght but things like the caliber, muzzle velocity, etc.. In any case my 40 years old father, who's got experience with CETME assault rifles says AR's are for CQB engagements (not saying they cant be used for longer ranges however).--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 16:29, 25 July 2016 (EDT) | ||
:: The traditional definition pertains to barrel length - A carbine is a shorter barreled version of a full length | :: The traditional definition pertains to barrel length - A carbine is a shorter barreled version of a full length similar-caliber rifle, going from earlier weapons - 'Old West' pieces and so forth, to early 20th century 'Battle Rifles'. Granted assault rifles have usurped that somewhat as many are as short as that (or even shorter still), the term can still be used much in the same context today, and even is - M4 Carbine:M16 Rifle, and so forth. I myself sometimes refer to some shorter versions of assault rifles as 'assault carbines', again in the case of the M4 and other Colts, Galil SAR, etc. Again, caliber factors not so much into it. In the case of pistol-caliber SMG-carbines, it's more the opposite; their carbines are generally ''longer'' than the equivalent standard weapons, USC vs UMP, HK94 vs MP5, etc. But that doesn't apply to this here. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 16:35, 25 July 2016 (EDT) | ||
:::Well I'd say it's an assault rifle rather than a carbine, since there's not an original longer rifle version before it. Much like the 16.3" barreled AK-74 is an assault rifle and the 8.3" AKS-74U is the carbine of the AK-74. So the 14.5" version of the ACR is the standard assault rifle and the 10.5" version is the carbine. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 18:10, 25 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
:::: I've read a 16" barrel length as being a general break point in some places.. But as said, many assault rifles don't have a 16" or greater standard barrel length to begin with so there it is. I would again go with simply considering the shorter version of the standard gun the 'carbine' version. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 02:21, 26 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
::::: The term carbine is pretty ambiguous and can lead to a lot of problems if you want to come up with a hard and fast definition. As a general rule, if something is a shortened version of another rifle then it is safe to call it a carbine. Trying to come up with a number like 16" leads to problems as in the past carbine versions of muskets and later rifles generally had barrels significantly longer than 16". This still happens even today, especially with bullpup rifles the "carbine" version can have a 16" or longer barrel and it is still definitively a carbine. You do however have some weapons which are designed from the ground up with a short barrel so they are referred to as carbines, despite the fact that they are not a shortened version of an existing weapon. You also have the instance that if something is chambered in a pistol cartridge it can tend to be called a carbine, even if it is the same length of longer than other "rifles". To put a simple answer to the original question though, if an ACR has a 16.5" or 18" barrel I would call it a rifle, if it had a 14.5" or 10.5" barrel I would call it a carbine. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:11, 26 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
::::::That was my original guess, at least for the 10.5" version. Thanks! --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 18:32, 26 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
== Did Bushmaster really discontinue the ACR? == | |||
It said that it is no longer in production as of 2020 but I found out that in August 2021 Bushmaster has moved their headquarters to Carson City NV and they are continuing their products which includes the ACR. It says so here https://www.bushmaster.com/acr-450-bushmaster/ | |||
Latest revision as of 22:26, 3 November 2023
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Discussion
ACR fragility
News about this gun folks. The ACR has been reported to have several problems with the gas system. The piston seems to be very prone to breakdowns. The quality is also really lousy and the plastic cracks easily. It looks like Remington's quality control no longer exists. Hughjefender
- Source? Acora 14:08, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Sounds more like a design flaw than bad QC.--FIVETWOSEVEN 20:58, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
That, and the fact that it's being recalled for randomly emptying the mag, leads me to believe that this is only the first of many problems. -SasquatchJim
Yeah, I'll try to ask my friend about the source of his info. He gets a lot of info from Highroad, Calguns, Arf-Com, and even K. I get skeptical about his stuff sometimes. Hughjefender.
Title
Shouldn't this page be called Magpul Masada since that is the base gun? Like with the lost of variants on the M1911 page. Now this is like calling M249 the FN Minimi page... - bozitojugg3rn4ut 04:55, 9 August 2011 (CDT)
- other way round, Minimi was the base LMG, but anyway, most of the time its the name that is most commonly used/known by thats given to a page, in this case its kinda iffy seeing theres been 3 producers scarecrow 09:17, 15 January 2012 (CST)
Splitting sections
Shouldn't we be putting the confirmed Remington ACRs in their own section? The Wierd It 14:45, 15 January 2012 (CST)
- YES!
- Always wanted to know what are the differences between the two because it seems like the same weapons with different company name... --RaNgeR 06:23, 26 June 2012 (CDT)
Really the only difference between the two is that Bushmaster is the civilian version - semi and safe only. Remington is the mil version with select fire. Unless you happen to catch a very high quality screencap that you can definitely ID the rifle with, you aren't going to tell the two apart. --DeltaOne 13:54, 26 June 2012 (CDT)
- Ah, okay, thanks. --RaNgeR 14:12, 26 June 2012 (CDT)
Carbine
In what context is the weapon considered as a carbine rather than a standard assault rifle? Does it depend on the barrel length, or variant (Bushmaster/Remington), or is it always a carbine? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 14:58, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
- I'd imagine carbines are more akin to SMGs, not only the barrel lenght but things like the caliber, muzzle velocity, etc.. In any case my 40 years old father, who's got experience with CETME assault rifles says AR's are for CQB engagements (not saying they cant be used for longer ranges however).--Death Shadow20 (talk) 16:29, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
- The traditional definition pertains to barrel length - A carbine is a shorter barreled version of a full length similar-caliber rifle, going from earlier weapons - 'Old West' pieces and so forth, to early 20th century 'Battle Rifles'. Granted assault rifles have usurped that somewhat as many are as short as that (or even shorter still), the term can still be used much in the same context today, and even is - M4 Carbine:M16 Rifle, and so forth. I myself sometimes refer to some shorter versions of assault rifles as 'assault carbines', again in the case of the M4 and other Colts, Galil SAR, etc. Again, caliber factors not so much into it. In the case of pistol-caliber SMG-carbines, it's more the opposite; their carbines are generally longer than the equivalent standard weapons, USC vs UMP, HK94 vs MP5, etc. But that doesn't apply to this here. StanTheMan (talk) 16:35, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
- Well I'd say it's an assault rifle rather than a carbine, since there's not an original longer rifle version before it. Much like the 16.3" barreled AK-74 is an assault rifle and the 8.3" AKS-74U is the carbine of the AK-74. So the 14.5" version of the ACR is the standard assault rifle and the 10.5" version is the carbine. Mr. Wolf (talk) 18:10, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
- I've read a 16" barrel length as being a general break point in some places.. But as said, many assault rifles don't have a 16" or greater standard barrel length to begin with so there it is. I would again go with simply considering the shorter version of the standard gun the 'carbine' version. StanTheMan (talk) 02:21, 26 July 2016 (EDT)
- The term carbine is pretty ambiguous and can lead to a lot of problems if you want to come up with a hard and fast definition. As a general rule, if something is a shortened version of another rifle then it is safe to call it a carbine. Trying to come up with a number like 16" leads to problems as in the past carbine versions of muskets and later rifles generally had barrels significantly longer than 16". This still happens even today, especially with bullpup rifles the "carbine" version can have a 16" or longer barrel and it is still definitively a carbine. You do however have some weapons which are designed from the ground up with a short barrel so they are referred to as carbines, despite the fact that they are not a shortened version of an existing weapon. You also have the instance that if something is chambered in a pistol cartridge it can tend to be called a carbine, even if it is the same length of longer than other "rifles". To put a simple answer to the original question though, if an ACR has a 16.5" or 18" barrel I would call it a rifle, if it had a 14.5" or 10.5" barrel I would call it a carbine. --commando552 (talk) 18:11, 26 July 2016 (EDT)
- That was my original guess, at least for the 10.5" version. Thanks! --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 18:32, 26 July 2016 (EDT)
- The term carbine is pretty ambiguous and can lead to a lot of problems if you want to come up with a hard and fast definition. As a general rule, if something is a shortened version of another rifle then it is safe to call it a carbine. Trying to come up with a number like 16" leads to problems as in the past carbine versions of muskets and later rifles generally had barrels significantly longer than 16". This still happens even today, especially with bullpup rifles the "carbine" version can have a 16" or longer barrel and it is still definitively a carbine. You do however have some weapons which are designed from the ground up with a short barrel so they are referred to as carbines, despite the fact that they are not a shortened version of an existing weapon. You also have the instance that if something is chambered in a pistol cartridge it can tend to be called a carbine, even if it is the same length of longer than other "rifles". To put a simple answer to the original question though, if an ACR has a 16.5" or 18" barrel I would call it a rifle, if it had a 14.5" or 10.5" barrel I would call it a carbine. --commando552 (talk) 18:11, 26 July 2016 (EDT)
- I've read a 16" barrel length as being a general break point in some places.. But as said, many assault rifles don't have a 16" or greater standard barrel length to begin with so there it is. I would again go with simply considering the shorter version of the standard gun the 'carbine' version. StanTheMan (talk) 02:21, 26 July 2016 (EDT)
- Well I'd say it's an assault rifle rather than a carbine, since there's not an original longer rifle version before it. Much like the 16.3" barreled AK-74 is an assault rifle and the 8.3" AKS-74U is the carbine of the AK-74. So the 14.5" version of the ACR is the standard assault rifle and the 10.5" version is the carbine. Mr. Wolf (talk) 18:10, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
- The traditional definition pertains to barrel length - A carbine is a shorter barreled version of a full length similar-caliber rifle, going from earlier weapons - 'Old West' pieces and so forth, to early 20th century 'Battle Rifles'. Granted assault rifles have usurped that somewhat as many are as short as that (or even shorter still), the term can still be used much in the same context today, and even is - M4 Carbine:M16 Rifle, and so forth. I myself sometimes refer to some shorter versions of assault rifles as 'assault carbines', again in the case of the M4 and other Colts, Galil SAR, etc. Again, caliber factors not so much into it. In the case of pistol-caliber SMG-carbines, it's more the opposite; their carbines are generally longer than the equivalent standard weapons, USC vs UMP, HK94 vs MP5, etc. But that doesn't apply to this here. StanTheMan (talk) 16:35, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
Did Bushmaster really discontinue the ACR?
It said that it is no longer in production as of 2020 but I found out that in August 2021 Bushmaster has moved their headquarters to Carson City NV and they are continuing their products which includes the ACR. It says so here https://www.bushmaster.com/acr-450-bushmaster/