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This page doesn't follow much of the typically recognized formatting or layout standards and is all over the place with numerous additional (and arguably extraneous) images and sections, including a section on 'Replicas' which I think is a tad outside our scope. I really think the page should really be condensed and refocused with most of that secondary material moved here, if not deleted. Wasn't there already another page for this gun, BTW? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 15:53, 14 July 2016 (EDT) | This page doesn't follow much of the typically recognized formatting or layout standards and is all over the place with numerous additional (and arguably extraneous) images and sections, including a section on 'Replicas' which I think is a tad outside our scope. I really think the page should really be condensed and refocused with most of that secondary material moved here, if not deleted. Wasn't there already another page for this gun, BTW? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 15:53, 14 July 2016 (EDT) | ||
:You'd think there would be. I'm a bit surprised it took this long. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:04, 14 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
:: I could have sworn there was one already, though admittedly rather bare-bones. I suppose not though. Bah. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:46, 14 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
:::The reason for deja-vu of the page is probably the fact that there were much more information on film's page itself - I remember seeing concept art for [[COP 357 Derringer]] which was probably deleted. As for fictional firearms - guidelines and standards are somewhat unclear and all of the pages on fictional firearms look differently, just check [[(6th Day, The) - "Foosh" Gun|this]] and [[(The Matrix) - Mouse's Shotguns|this]]. I'm going to re-write at least the Terminator ones and [[(Red Heat) - Podbyrin 9.2 mm Pistol|Podbyrin]] according to guidelines. Information on replicas was added as Trivia (and to be fair - what else to add on fictional firearms rather then, mostly, trivia?) and for possible positive identification in case they manage to pop up in some other production in a way some other fictional firearms like [[(Red Heat) - Podbyrin 9.2 mm Pistol|Podbyrin]] and [[Beretta 93R "Auto 9"|Auto-9]] do. Please leave more specific comments on how you'd like the page to be condensed and re-written. --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] ([[User talk:Kloga|talk]]) 07:20, 16 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
:::: Pieces like images of the real weapon components it was built off of and such might be one thing, but I don't think it's on us to provide all those external links, particularly the ones for the propbuilders - smacks a bit of advertising, and it's not something done on any other fictional weapon pages that I'm aware (nor real ones, for that matter). Otherwise, all the other images and such just makes the main page look a bit cluttered, hence why I suggested moving some of that here to the discussion page. It's what I did for the [[(Dredd)_-_Lawgiver_Mk._II|Lawgiver MkII]] page. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 19:13, 16 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
::::: Spend a few days thinking about that, among other things. Ideally I will find pictures for any commercially available replica in order to have lesser amount of external links. As for Discussion page - one of the reasons I've created this page is to get a lot of useful information moved to discussion page of the movie somewhere where it will look right. Also, as I've looked through fictional firearms pages at least a half of them (if not all) need some re-writing so it's somewhat hard to sa how they should look like in the first place. --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] ([[User talk:Kloga|talk]]) 00:32, 18 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
::::::Then I'll say it plainly: I personally ''do not'' see the point in having a section full of links to and/or info about those who build and sell commercial props. We don't do that elsewhere, nor do we really have any inclination to do it - We ''are not'' here to direct people to places to buy the props, nor even really exhibit them in the first place (as stated, we're not a gun encyclopedia). We ''are'' here to be a database of documenting weapons used in media. Yet not only do you have those extraneous pieces, you have also added a load of images that are not needed. If we had no other pictures to reference that might be one thing, but the additional pictures of commercial props is totally unnecessary in this case as we already have good images of the actual screen-used prop(s) in the film. Pictures of crude toy versions of the gun are again, totally extraneous. The rules clearly state redundancy is not acceptable when it comes to gun images nor do we need images of every variant of a particular piece. It's also stated that Trivia sections should be kept to a minimum. You on the other hand have been expanding this page with stuff that I again see as outside our scope. There may not be much of any universal standard on fictional firearms pages but I don't think that gives license to just go nuts like you're well on the way to doing here. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 02:44, 18 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
::::::: I removed replicas section to this page, but I think that section documenting original design, prop manufacture and where did the props had gone should stay. --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] ([[User talk:Kloga|talk]]) 02:43, 18 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
:::::::: Frankly I think a lot of that stuff (below) ought to be deleted outright, as again not much of it tracks with what's typically allowed on the site as I understand. Particularly all those extra images. But we'll see what the admins have to say. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 02:49, 18 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
== Replicas == | |||
====Commercially Available==== | |||
*'''The PKD (Steyr Pflager Katsumata Series-D Blaster)''' released by 1997 by Doppelganger Studios and designed by Rick Ross. | |||
*'''2019 Chief's Special Blaster''' released in 2003 by Japanese company Hartford. | |||
*'''Tomenosuke Blaster''' released in 2010 by Japanese company Tomenosuke and designed by David Goldberg. Is available in three variants - '''Type-A''', '''Type-B''' and '''Type-C''', one of which comes "as issued". | |||
*'''C&S Detective Special''' released by RAC Props and designed by Richard A. Coyle. | |||
[[File:C&SDetectiveSpecial.jpg|thumb|400px|none|C&S Detective Special released by RAC Props and designed by Richard A. Coyle]] | |||
====Custom Made==== | |||
*'''Adam Savage Replicas''' (showcased in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DUULvPJTgk this video]) | |||
*'''Rick Ross Replicas''' | |||
====Crude Representations==== | |||
There are at least four different Chinese toys which were modeled after the blaster. All of them were and are used to make more proper scratch-built replicas to some extent by fans of the movie. | |||
*'''Space Gun AK-798''' - a Chinese sound toy. Showcased in the videos by [http://youtu.be/4DUULvPJTgk?t=10m Adam Savage] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axwHIIzp0Kw Stuart Ashen]. | |||
[[File:SpaceGun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Space Gun AK-798]] | |||
[[File:SpaceGunModified.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Space Gun AK-798 modified into a replica of the blaster.]] | |||
*'''Super Excellent Target Gun No.568''' - Chinese dart gun toy. | |||
[[File:SuperExcellentTargetGun01.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Super Excellent Target Gun No.568]] | |||
[[File:SuperExcellentTargetGun02.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Super Excellent Target Gun No.568]] | |||
*'''Superior Pistol NO:3302''' - Chinese sound toy. | |||
[[File:SuperiorPistolNo3302.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Superior Pistol NO:3302]] | |||
[[File:SuperiorPistolNo3302 02.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Superior Pistol NO:3302]] | |||
*'''Super Sound Gun ZS.140''' - Chinese sound toy, the sculpt is nearly identical to NO:3302. | |||
[[File:BladeRunnerBlasterReplica01.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Super Sound Gun ZS.140]] | |||
Latest revision as of 06:54, 18 July 2016
This page doesn't follow much of the typically recognized formatting or layout standards and is all over the place with numerous additional (and arguably extraneous) images and sections, including a section on 'Replicas' which I think is a tad outside our scope. I really think the page should really be condensed and refocused with most of that secondary material moved here, if not deleted. Wasn't there already another page for this gun, BTW? StanTheMan (talk) 15:53, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
- You'd think there would be. I'm a bit surprised it took this long. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:04, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
- I could have sworn there was one already, though admittedly rather bare-bones. I suppose not though. Bah. StanTheMan (talk) 17:46, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
- The reason for deja-vu of the page is probably the fact that there were much more information on film's page itself - I remember seeing concept art for COP 357 Derringer which was probably deleted. As for fictional firearms - guidelines and standards are somewhat unclear and all of the pages on fictional firearms look differently, just check this and this. I'm going to re-write at least the Terminator ones and Podbyrin according to guidelines. Information on replicas was added as Trivia (and to be fair - what else to add on fictional firearms rather then, mostly, trivia?) and for possible positive identification in case they manage to pop up in some other production in a way some other fictional firearms like Podbyrin and Auto-9 do. Please leave more specific comments on how you'd like the page to be condensed and re-written. --Kloga (talk) 07:20, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
- Pieces like images of the real weapon components it was built off of and such might be one thing, but I don't think it's on us to provide all those external links, particularly the ones for the propbuilders - smacks a bit of advertising, and it's not something done on any other fictional weapon pages that I'm aware (nor real ones, for that matter). Otherwise, all the other images and such just makes the main page look a bit cluttered, hence why I suggested moving some of that here to the discussion page. It's what I did for the Lawgiver MkII page. StanTheMan (talk) 19:13, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
- Spend a few days thinking about that, among other things. Ideally I will find pictures for any commercially available replica in order to have lesser amount of external links. As for Discussion page - one of the reasons I've created this page is to get a lot of useful information moved to discussion page of the movie somewhere where it will look right. Also, as I've looked through fictional firearms pages at least a half of them (if not all) need some re-writing so it's somewhat hard to sa how they should look like in the first place. --Kloga (talk) 00:32, 18 July 2016 (EDT)
- Then I'll say it plainly: I personally do not see the point in having a section full of links to and/or info about those who build and sell commercial props. We don't do that elsewhere, nor do we really have any inclination to do it - We are not here to direct people to places to buy the props, nor even really exhibit them in the first place (as stated, we're not a gun encyclopedia). We are here to be a database of documenting weapons used in media. Yet not only do you have those extraneous pieces, you have also added a load of images that are not needed. If we had no other pictures to reference that might be one thing, but the additional pictures of commercial props is totally unnecessary in this case as we already have good images of the actual screen-used prop(s) in the film. Pictures of crude toy versions of the gun are again, totally extraneous. The rules clearly state redundancy is not acceptable when it comes to gun images nor do we need images of every variant of a particular piece. It's also stated that Trivia sections should be kept to a minimum. You on the other hand have been expanding this page with stuff that I again see as outside our scope. There may not be much of any universal standard on fictional firearms pages but I don't think that gives license to just go nuts like you're well on the way to doing here. StanTheMan (talk) 02:44, 18 July 2016 (EDT)
- I removed replicas section to this page, but I think that section documenting original design, prop manufacture and where did the props had gone should stay. --Kloga (talk) 02:43, 18 July 2016 (EDT)
- Frankly I think a lot of that stuff (below) ought to be deleted outright, as again not much of it tracks with what's typically allowed on the site as I understand. Particularly all those extra images. But we'll see what the admins have to say. StanTheMan (talk) 02:49, 18 July 2016 (EDT)
- I removed replicas section to this page, but I think that section documenting original design, prop manufacture and where did the props had gone should stay. --Kloga (talk) 02:43, 18 July 2016 (EDT)
- Then I'll say it plainly: I personally do not see the point in having a section full of links to and/or info about those who build and sell commercial props. We don't do that elsewhere, nor do we really have any inclination to do it - We are not here to direct people to places to buy the props, nor even really exhibit them in the first place (as stated, we're not a gun encyclopedia). We are here to be a database of documenting weapons used in media. Yet not only do you have those extraneous pieces, you have also added a load of images that are not needed. If we had no other pictures to reference that might be one thing, but the additional pictures of commercial props is totally unnecessary in this case as we already have good images of the actual screen-used prop(s) in the film. Pictures of crude toy versions of the gun are again, totally extraneous. The rules clearly state redundancy is not acceptable when it comes to gun images nor do we need images of every variant of a particular piece. It's also stated that Trivia sections should be kept to a minimum. You on the other hand have been expanding this page with stuff that I again see as outside our scope. There may not be much of any universal standard on fictional firearms pages but I don't think that gives license to just go nuts like you're well on the way to doing here. StanTheMan (talk) 02:44, 18 July 2016 (EDT)
- Spend a few days thinking about that, among other things. Ideally I will find pictures for any commercially available replica in order to have lesser amount of external links. As for Discussion page - one of the reasons I've created this page is to get a lot of useful information moved to discussion page of the movie somewhere where it will look right. Also, as I've looked through fictional firearms pages at least a half of them (if not all) need some re-writing so it's somewhat hard to sa how they should look like in the first place. --Kloga (talk) 00:32, 18 July 2016 (EDT)
- Pieces like images of the real weapon components it was built off of and such might be one thing, but I don't think it's on us to provide all those external links, particularly the ones for the propbuilders - smacks a bit of advertising, and it's not something done on any other fictional weapon pages that I'm aware (nor real ones, for that matter). Otherwise, all the other images and such just makes the main page look a bit cluttered, hence why I suggested moving some of that here to the discussion page. It's what I did for the Lawgiver MkII page. StanTheMan (talk) 19:13, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
- The reason for deja-vu of the page is probably the fact that there were much more information on film's page itself - I remember seeing concept art for COP 357 Derringer which was probably deleted. As for fictional firearms - guidelines and standards are somewhat unclear and all of the pages on fictional firearms look differently, just check this and this. I'm going to re-write at least the Terminator ones and Podbyrin according to guidelines. Information on replicas was added as Trivia (and to be fair - what else to add on fictional firearms rather then, mostly, trivia?) and for possible positive identification in case they manage to pop up in some other production in a way some other fictional firearms like Podbyrin and Auto-9 do. Please leave more specific comments on how you'd like the page to be condensed and re-written. --Kloga (talk) 07:20, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
- I could have sworn there was one already, though admittedly rather bare-bones. I suppose not though. Bah. StanTheMan (talk) 17:46, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
Replicas
Commercially Available
- The PKD (Steyr Pflager Katsumata Series-D Blaster) released by 1997 by Doppelganger Studios and designed by Rick Ross.
- 2019 Chief's Special Blaster released in 2003 by Japanese company Hartford.
- Tomenosuke Blaster released in 2010 by Japanese company Tomenosuke and designed by David Goldberg. Is available in three variants - Type-A, Type-B and Type-C, one of which comes "as issued".
- C&S Detective Special released by RAC Props and designed by Richard A. Coyle.
Custom Made
- Adam Savage Replicas (showcased in this video)
- Rick Ross Replicas
Crude Representations
There are at least four different Chinese toys which were modeled after the blaster. All of them were and are used to make more proper scratch-built replicas to some extent by fans of the movie.
- Space Gun AK-798 - a Chinese sound toy. Showcased in the videos by Adam Savage and Stuart Ashen.
- Super Excellent Target Gun No.568 - Chinese dart gun toy.
- Superior Pistol NO:3302 - Chinese sound toy.
- Super Sound Gun ZS.140 - Chinese sound toy, the sculpt is nearly identical to NO:3302.
