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[[Image:AIMS-74 straight.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AIMS-74 with straight handguard - 5.45x39mm]]
[[File:AK-74 with plum furniture.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AK-74 with plum furniture - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:Mpiaks74nk.jpg|thumb|none|450px|East German MPi-AKS-74NK - 5.45x39mm]]
[[File:AK74 with NSPU scope.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-74 with NSPU scope - 5.45x39mm]]
[[File:AK-74 with knife bayonet.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AK-74 with standard-issue bayonet - 5.45x39mm]]
===AK-74M===
[[File:AK-74M-Zenitco.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AK-74M with Zenitco furniture - 5.45x39mm]]
===AKS-74===
[[File:AKS-74 synthetic furniture.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKS-74 with synthetic furniture - 5.45x39mm]]
[[File:AKS-74 with plum furniture.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKS-74 with plum furniture - 5.45x39mm]]
[[File:AKS-74 1P29.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKS-74N with 1P29 - 5.45x39mm. The N variants, standing for "night", refer to AK variants with side-mounted scope brackets that can mount scopes for night combat.]]
===AKS-74U===
[[File:AKS-74U bakelite mag.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKS-74U with orange bakelite magazine - 5.45x39mm]]
[[File:AKS-74U bakelite mag.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKS-74U with orange bakelite magazine - 5.45x39mm]]
[[File:AKS74U-RIS.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKS-74U with a RIS handguard - 5.45x39mm. This is an actual movie gun from the inventory of Weapons Specialists, Ltd. in New York.]]
[[File:AKS74U-RIS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKS-74U with a RIS handguard - 5.45x39mm. This is an actual movie gun from the inventory of Weapons Specialists, Ltd. in New York.]]
[[Image:AKS-74UN.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKS-74UN with NSPU Night Vision scope - 5.45x39mm<br>The AKS-74UN is equipped with a side-mounted rail above the trigger for attaching scopes.]]
[[File:AKS-74UN.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKS-74UN with NSPU night vision scope - 5.45x39mm]]
:::It is a lot harder to tell the difference from the right side as it is from the left side. On the right all you have is the button (this side isn't pressed, but is the part that is pushed out to unlock the stock when it is pushed from the left side), whereas on the left you have the protruding button, the hinge itself, a catch at the front of the receiver that retains the folded stock, the scope mount, and the side of the stock itself which incorporates a hooked indent near the rear to hold it in the closed position and a cutout for the scope mount. From both sides you should also be able to see that there is a spring loaded round button in the middle of the butt plate that is used to unlock the stock from the folded position. Here is a pic of the left side that shows these differences a bit better:[[File:AK-74M left side.jpg|thumb|500px|none|AK-74M, left side - 5.45x39mm]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:02, 3 December 2013 (EST)
:::It is a lot harder to tell the difference from the right side as it is from the left side. On the right all you have is the button (this side isn't pressed, but is the part that is pushed out to unlock the stock when it is pushed from the left side), whereas on the left you have the protruding button, the hinge itself, a catch at the front of the receiver that retains the folded stock, the scope mount, and the side of the stock itself which incorporates a hooked indent near the rear to hold it in the closed position and a cutout for the scope mount. From both sides you should also be able to see that there is a spring loaded round button in the middle of the butt plate that is used to unlock the stock from the folded position. Here is a pic of the left side that shows these differences a bit better:[[File:AK-74M left side.jpg|thumb|500px|none|AK-74M, left side - 5.45x39mm]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:02, 3 December 2013 (EST)
== Drum mags ==
The page states the availability of 100-rd mags, but I don't think that these one are in production, are they? However, there's the new 95-round drum mag developed for the AK-12, and compatible with the AK-74; is it notable to be put in the page? And I guess the 95-rounder must compatible with the RPK-74 too, right? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:10, 22 March 2015 (EDT)
== AK-74N ==
== AK-74N ==
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::Thanks, I didn't realize that that side optic rail wasn't on the original design.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:31, 28 January 2016 (EST)
::Thanks, I didn't realize that that side optic rail wasn't on the original design.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:31, 28 January 2016 (EST)
:::No, the original design does have the side bar, it's just the Russian military assigns a different suffix depending on what kind of accessories are used. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:11, 2 April 2016 (EDT)
:::No, the original design does have the side bar, it's just the Russian military assigns a different suffix depending on what kind of accessories are used. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:11, 2 April 2016 (EDT)
== A Question... ==
How I can tell the difference between a wz.1996 Beryl and a AK-200 with a Tapco stock? Because I m sure that the AK-200 is a wz.1996. Thanks--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 09:09, 29 November 2016 (EST)
:There are a lot of differences between the two, I don't know how you could really think they are the same gun. This is a Beryl:[[File:Kbs wz96 Beryl.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Kbs wz.96 Beryl - 5.56x45mm]]This is the first AK-200 prototype:[[File:AK200 photo shop.jpg|thumb|450px|none|AK-200 - 7.62x39mm (photoshopped image of an AK-103)]]This is the later AK-200 prototype:[[File:AK-200.jpg|thumb|450px|none|AK-200 with ACOG scope, folding iron sights, side-folding skeletonized stock, and weaponlight foregrip - 5.45x39mm]]In what way do you think an AK-200 is a Beryl? They have different stocks, different receivers, different grips, different scope rails (The beryl in this image doesn't have a rail fitted but there are a few different ones, none of which look much like the AK-200 ones), different handguards, different barrel profiles, different gas blocks, different front sight blocks, different muzzle devices and different calibres. In fact, this is a rare case with AKs in which I can see no parts on these two rifles that are the same, with the possible exception of the top cover perhaps being the same standard one used on the later AK-200 prototype and of coarse a lot of internal components may be the same. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:35, 29 November 2016 (EST)
Is because I wrote in hurry, I wanted to say that the AK-200 in ghost recon future soldier is a Beryl, I known what appareance a Beryl have, just for be 100% that was a AK-200/Beryl.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 12:20, 30 November 2016 (EST)
== wz. 2005 ==
I would like to add a link for wz. 2005 Jantar on FB template on imfdb page. Somebodh can tell me how do it? --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 13:15, 11 January 2017 (EST)
:We only list weapons that have actually appeared in media that has a page here. Has the Jantar appeared in anything? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:16, 11 January 2017 (EST)
Is in this page so yes.
:Ah, now I see, I thought you meant you wanted to add a new weapon to the main page. If you want to add something to a table like that and don't really know what to do, by far the easiest way is to just copy and past an existing entry and then edit the details. I've added it to the Radom page, all I did was copy/paste the Beryl entry and change the name, date and picture part of the code. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:08, 12 January 2017)
Thank you. Also I noted that incorrectly described as wz.88 based. Well it lack the "AR-15 style" selector and is chambered for 5,56 like the wz.96 Beryl made in '96. I will correct it.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 11:22, 12 January 2017 (EST)
:The Jantar, Tantal and Beryl all have the selector switch in the same location. In fact, the one on the Jantar appears to be closer to a Tantal one rather than a Beryl one as the latter has [http://pb-images.voraciocommerce.com/XL/ares-beryl-mod-96-aeg-assault-rifle-black-7.jpg?auto=format two wings to it] (this was done because the Beryl had a top rail so it didn't need to keep out of the way of the side rail like [http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/tnt_selector.jpg on the Tantal]). Also, the muzzle device is a Tantal one rather than a Beryl, and the Beryl has a different rear trunnion on the receiver to accomodate the top rail whereas this one has a standard Tantal style one. Every source seems to say that these are based on Beryls, but to me it has a lot of Tantal parts and it seems more like it is based on a Tantal converted to 5.56x45mm. Incidentally, the earlier [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/BIN-01_REMOV.jpg Kbk wz. 2002 BIN] is more deffinitely based on the Beryl, as you can see that it has the same muzzle device along with the lug on the rear trunnion for attaching the Beryl scope rail. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:10, 12 January 2017 (EST)
I seen that Tantal got a different safety. Unique to this gun. I seen it in one of the page here.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 12:27, 12 January 2017 (EST)
:There are two different controls on all three of these guns, the safety and the fire selector are separate. The safety is essentially the same on all three of them, being similar to the standard AK type (slightly different though) with the main difference being that it only has two positions (fire and safe) as the selector is a separate unit. In fact, if anything the Beryl has a different safety, as [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/%C4%86wiczenia_strzeleckie_WP_%2803%29.jpg later models] of that have a shelf on the safety so that it can be manipulated by the trigger finger whilst keeping your hand on the pistol grip. As for the different selectors, look at the pictures in my previous post which show that the Jantar one appears to be a Tantal one rather than a Beryl. The selector/safety issue can also get a bit confusing as civilian variants of the Tantal tend to keep the selector switch but pin it to the safety lever so the "selector" just turns into an ambi safety (it doesn't really work very well though as you don't have enough leverage to move the safety, especially if it is in the safe position). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:18, 12 January 2017 (EST)
Yes that. Thank you.
==100 rounds?==
Pretty sure the "100-round drum" thing should be removed from the respective sections, they weren't actually put into production for the AK-74 series. On the other hand, mentioning 60-round casket magazines would come in handy (it's already in the AK-107 section tho), as well as the 95-round dual drum developed for the AK-12 and fully compatible with the AK-74 (and which would also work on the RPK-74, I suppose). --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:28, 28 February 2017 (EST)
:Okay, for now I've removed the 100-rounder from the page, and only added the 60-rounder to the AK-74 section. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 11:24, 5 March 2017 (EST)
== AK-107 on this page ==
Many sources I read considers the AK-107 to be related to the AK series in designation only (being in the AK-100 series). If IMFDB likes to categorize weapons families by internal mechanisms, shouldn't it be moved into its own page? --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 07:54, 22 February 2018 (EST)
:I personally think that the whole AK-100 series would be best on one singular page, but that's just my 2 cents. As for moving the 107, it's probably best not to, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, it's designated as part of the AK series, so it'd be confusing to have it on its own page, and I'd bet that we'd have at least 1 person put in an entry for it here because they think it's missing. Secondly, I'm pretty sure that it's more than just relation in name- if nothing else, this certainly uses a whole lot of parts from the AK series. I mean, we have the RSC 1917 on the [[Lebel 1886]] page, and basically the only the only part that those share is the stock. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 19:38, 22 February 2018 (EST) P.S.: Maybe we should give the RSC its own page. Just throwing it out there.
::On the same topic, the 5.56x45mm version of AK-107, [[AK-108]], is for some reason listed on the AK-47 page. I personally have no idea why these two are placed the way they are (is AK-108 somehow sharing more parts with the 7.62x39 AKs instead of the 5.45x39mm AKs or what?). The best (or the least bad) option I think is creating an AK-100 series page.--[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 05:33, 24 February 2018 (EST)
:::Currently, policy states that all 5.56mm AKs go on the AK-47 page, as stated [[Talk:AK-47#AK-101_and_AK-103|here by MPM]]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 12:41, 2 May 2019 (EDT)
I've been updating the AK-74M section to include the Universal Upgrade Kit 'Obves' when noticing it wasn't mentioned at all in the article, and now I'm wondering whether the Obves should have its own section or whether it's better to just include it under the AK-74M section. I've read information that the Obves is not just meant for AK-74Ms but for any ageing Kalashnikov system (AK-47, AKM, AK-74). Thoughts on how to organize and include this information better?--[[User:Ssantusky|Ssantusky]] ([[User talk:Ssantusky|talk]]) 20:13, 14 September 2019 (EDT)
: I don’t think it’s supposed to be included until it appears in a media production.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 22:14, 14 September 2019 (EDT)
:: Yeah. The more senior users of IMFDB stress the fact that IMFDB is a database for guns in media, not a gun encyclopedia, and they really scrutinize against unnecessary uploads and weapon sections. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 00:06, 15 September 2019 (EDT)
::: I understand. I don't know whether this particular weapon kit might be soon depicted in the media or not since it's relatively new, but I thought it appropriate to explain that the kit exists (and show photographs of how an upgraded AK-74M looks) if anything to further clarify Kalashnikov variants and avoid confusion with the new AK-200s series (soon to be used by India) and final production AK-12 models, the latter which is being depicted in many new video games.--[[User:Ssantusky|Ssantusky]] ([[User talk:Ssantusky|talk]]) 08:35, 15 September 2019 (EDT)
==An AKS-74U Prototype That A Lot of People Don't Know It Exist!==
[[File:AKS74U First Model.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
So many people thought that the AKS-74U was made in the late 70s. Well, look at this prototype called the PP 1970, which was made in 1970. This is truly the first model of the 74U, and I try to look it up, but I couldn't find it. I just found a rare prototype AK.--[[User:Treliazz|Treliazz]] ([[User talk:Treliazz|talk]]) 13:02, 17 July 2020 (EDT)
:This should have been in Black Ops. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 13:42, 17 July 2020 (EDT)
::Nah, ''Black Ops'' took place in the sixties, so this'd still be anachronistic. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 15:27, 17 July 2020 (EDT)
:::First, this thing is called PP-1. Secondly, this is 1972. Thirdly, one of the first projects of this type was a bullpup, and it appeared, if I remember correctly, in 1967. I had a collection of scans of prototypes with information somewhere, I have to look for it. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 19:10, 17 July 2020 (EDT)
::::Here it is, your "pre-AKSU". AO-46, 1964. [https://i.imgur.com/4GLSVqD.jpg]. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:13, 15 September 2020 (EDT)
==North Korean Variants==
Can somebody clarify the NK AK variants for me? Currently working on the [[Phantom Forces]] page and that game has the Type-88-2, which can be converted into the 88-1, 88 and 58. However, I'm not sure what the differences are between all of these.
The first North Korean AK model was the Type 58, which was a copy of the AK-47. The Type 58 was followed by the Type 68, which was based on the AKM. The Type 88 is based on the AK-74, with the initial variants of the rifle being the fixed stock Type 88 and the Type 88-1 which featured a Chinese-style side folding stock. The Type 88-2 came later and features a top folding stock and brownish polymer furniture. There are also more Type 88 variants whose names are unclear - one variant is a carbine version with a shortened barrel that appears to be used in North Korea's OICW and also as a separate weapon with the helical magazine, and there is a light machine gun variant that resembles the RPK-74 with a heavier barrel and a quad stack magazine. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit|talk]]) 17:22, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
Did anyone ever make a synthetic handguard for the AKS-74u with picatinny rails on it? I'd like to see somethin like that. That's One Angry Duck 23:42, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Eh, though I dont share your enthusiasm on it, they do. There's a picture on here some where of an AKSU picatinny kit. Its on the AK-47 page I believe.
Thanks.
You'd be surprised, but the name AK-47 had arrived in Russia from the USA. In the USSR, he had the name just "AK". AK was adopted by the Soviet army in 1949 (not in 1947!!!). Where did the index of 47 - probably only know American journalists. But since the 1990's now even in Russia, it has name is AK-47. Slow Rider 16:10, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, same with Mosin-Nagant. It's painful to see that in all games, even in MGS3. The rifle's name was just Mosin M91 or M91/30. Never "Mosin-Nagant".
Dare to say, it is rifle model 1891/1930 =) and so on, sniper rifle 1891/1931, carbine model 1944...
It's really surprising that while contributors are so precise and thorough with AR15/M16 variants, there is little info on AK variants on this Wiki. Considering that at least Soviet/Russian mods are few and widely documented, it would be only fair. For example, the lower receiver on AK and AKS looks remarkably different (I don't have the expertise to point out exactly how, though I can check in Russian sources and deliver), but it is neglected by their descriptions. Of course, the original milled varieties are almost non-existent in movies, but still.
Quick question, did the Vietnamese People's Army used AK-74s and AKS-74Us during the Cambodian-Vietnamese War and the Vietnamese border raids in Thailand? --Btgr (talk) 02:34, 27 December 2012 (EST)
AK-74M
Am I the only one who doesn't like the new AK-74M pic? It seems out of place, as it shows the right side of the weapon and "almost" all the other AK pics show the left side. :\ - Mr. Wolf 20:37, 17 August 2011 (CDT)
Naming AKS-74 versions
Just a basic question as to naming of different AKS-74 versions. There’s AK-74 and AK-74M to basically distinguish between wood and synthetic black furniture. Does the same thing go for AKS? In other words, should the version with wood furniture be called AKS-74 and the version with synthetic black furniture AKS-74M? As far as I can see, all versions seem to go under the heading ‘AKS-74’ but I would appreciate a confirmation. Thanks for the info, PeeWee055 (talk) 13:22, 2 December 2013 (EST)
An AK-74 with black furniture is different to an AK-74M. You can fit standard fixed polymer furniture to an AK-74, but the stock on an AK-74M is actually side folding. If you look at the rear of the receiver you will see the same button used to fold the stock as on an AKS-74. Due to the fact that the stock already folds on an AK-74M, there is no such thing as an AKS-74M so any metal folding stock gun with black furniture is an AKS-74 with polymer furniture. I don't know if the Russians ever made fixed stock AK-74s with black furniture but other countries did, and could also just be an aftermarket modification. --commando552 (talk) 14:02, 2 December 2013 (EST)
Thanks for your explanation, clear as ever. I compared AK-74 and AK-74M images and indeed on the AK-74M I see a small button just above the pistol grip at the very end of the receiver; oval on the right side and round on the left side. Will keep that as a 100% identification mark for AK-74M and for sake of simplicity when I cannot see the back part of receiver, just assume (but not 100% confirm) that Russian movie AK-74's with black polymer furniture are AK-74M. Thanks for the info, PeeWee055 (talk) 05:03, 3 December 2013 (EST)
It is a lot harder to tell the difference from the right side as it is from the left side. On the right all you have is the button (this side isn't pressed, but is the part that is pushed out to unlock the stock when it is pushed from the left side), whereas on the left you have the protruding button, the hinge itself, a catch at the front of the receiver that retains the folded stock, the scope mount, and the side of the stock itself which incorporates a hooked indent near the rear to hold it in the closed position and a cutout for the scope mount. From both sides you should also be able to see that there is a spring loaded round button in the middle of the butt plate that is used to unlock the stock from the folded position. Here is a pic of the left side that shows these differences a bit better:Error creating thumbnail: File missingAK-74M, left side - 5.45x39mm--commando552 (talk) 07:02, 3 December 2013 (EST)
AK-74N
What does the "N" suffix indicate?AgentGumby (talk) 17:04, 28 January 2016 (EST)
"N" - "Night" (Rus. "Ночной"). It differs from the usual AK-74, that AK-74N has a side bar for mounting infrared night sights. --Slon95 (talk) 17:26, 28 January 2016 (EST)
Thanks, I didn't realize that that side optic rail wasn't on the original design.AgentGumby (talk) 17:31, 28 January 2016 (EST)
No, the original design does have the side bar, it's just the Russian military assigns a different suffix depending on what kind of accessories are used. Spartan198 (talk) 13:11, 2 April 2016 (EDT)
A Question...
How I can tell the difference between a wz.1996 Beryl and a AK-200 with a Tapco stock? Because I m sure that the AK-200 is a wz.1996. Thanks--Dannyguns (talk) 09:09, 29 November 2016 (EST)
There are a lot of differences between the two, I don't know how you could really think they are the same gun. This is a Beryl:Error creating thumbnail: File missingKbs wz.96 Beryl - 5.56x45mmThis is the first AK-200 prototype:Error creating thumbnail: File missingAK-200 - 7.62x39mm (photoshopped image of an AK-103)This is the later AK-200 prototype:AK-200 with ACOG scope, folding iron sights, side-folding skeletonized stock, and weaponlight foregrip - 5.45x39mmIn what way do you think an AK-200 is a Beryl? They have different stocks, different receivers, different grips, different scope rails (The beryl in this image doesn't have a rail fitted but there are a few different ones, none of which look much like the AK-200 ones), different handguards, different barrel profiles, different gas blocks, different front sight blocks, different muzzle devices and different calibres. In fact, this is a rare case with AKs in which I can see no parts on these two rifles that are the same, with the possible exception of the top cover perhaps being the same standard one used on the later AK-200 prototype and of coarse a lot of internal components may be the same. --commando552 (talk) 12:35, 29 November 2016 (EST)
Is because I wrote in hurry, I wanted to say that the AK-200 in ghost recon future soldier is a Beryl, I known what appareance a Beryl have, just for be 100% that was a AK-200/Beryl.--Dannyguns (talk) 12:20, 30 November 2016 (EST)
wz. 2005
I would like to add a link for wz. 2005 Jantar on FB template on imfdb page. Somebodh can tell me how do it? --Dannyguns (talk) 13:15, 11 January 2017 (EST)
We only list weapons that have actually appeared in media that has a page here. Has the Jantar appeared in anything? --commando552 (talk) 16:16, 11 January 2017 (EST)
Is in this page so yes.
Ah, now I see, I thought you meant you wanted to add a new weapon to the main page. If you want to add something to a table like that and don't really know what to do, by far the easiest way is to just copy and past an existing entry and then edit the details. I've added it to the Radom page, all I did was copy/paste the Beryl entry and change the name, date and picture part of the code. --commando552 (talk) 09:08, 12 January 2017)
Thank you. Also I noted that incorrectly described as wz.88 based. Well it lack the "AR-15 style" selector and is chambered for 5,56 like the wz.96 Beryl made in '96. I will correct it.--Dannyguns (talk) 11:22, 12 January 2017 (EST)
The Jantar, Tantal and Beryl all have the selector switch in the same location. In fact, the one on the Jantar appears to be closer to a Tantal one rather than a Beryl one as the latter has two wings to it (this was done because the Beryl had a top rail so it didn't need to keep out of the way of the side rail like on the Tantal). Also, the muzzle device is a Tantal one rather than a Beryl, and the Beryl has a different rear trunnion on the receiver to accomodate the top rail whereas this one has a standard Tantal style one. Every source seems to say that these are based on Beryls, but to me it has a lot of Tantal parts and it seems more like it is based on a Tantal converted to 5.56x45mm. Incidentally, the earlier Kbk wz. 2002 BIN is more deffinitely based on the Beryl, as you can see that it has the same muzzle device along with the lug on the rear trunnion for attaching the Beryl scope rail. --commando552 (talk) 12:10, 12 January 2017 (EST)
I seen that Tantal got a different safety. Unique to this gun. I seen it in one of the page here.--Dannyguns (talk) 12:27, 12 January 2017 (EST)
There are two different controls on all three of these guns, the safety and the fire selector are separate. The safety is essentially the same on all three of them, being similar to the standard AK type (slightly different though) with the main difference being that it only has two positions (fire and safe) as the selector is a separate unit. In fact, if anything the Beryl has a different safety, as later models of that have a shelf on the safety so that it can be manipulated by the trigger finger whilst keeping your hand on the pistol grip. As for the different selectors, look at the pictures in my previous post which show that the Jantar one appears to be a Tantal one rather than a Beryl. The selector/safety issue can also get a bit confusing as civilian variants of the Tantal tend to keep the selector switch but pin it to the safety lever so the "selector" just turns into an ambi safety (it doesn't really work very well though as you don't have enough leverage to move the safety, especially if it is in the safe position). --commando552 (talk) 13:18, 12 January 2017 (EST)
Yes that. Thank you.
100 rounds?
Pretty sure the "100-round drum" thing should be removed from the respective sections, they weren't actually put into production for the AK-74 series. On the other hand, mentioning 60-round casket magazines would come in handy (it's already in the AK-107 section tho), as well as the 95-round dual drum developed for the AK-12 and fully compatible with the AK-74 (and which would also work on the RPK-74, I suppose). --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 05:28, 28 February 2017 (EST)
Okay, for now I've removed the 100-rounder from the page, and only added the 60-rounder to the AK-74 section. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 11:24, 5 March 2017 (EST)
AK-107 on this page
Many sources I read considers the AK-107 to be related to the AK series in designation only (being in the AK-100 series). If IMFDB likes to categorize weapons families by internal mechanisms, shouldn't it be moved into its own page? --Wuzh (talk) 07:54, 22 February 2018 (EST)
I personally think that the whole AK-100 series would be best on one singular page, but that's just my 2 cents. As for moving the 107, it's probably best not to, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, it's designated as part of the AK series, so it'd be confusing to have it on its own page, and I'd bet that we'd have at least 1 person put in an entry for it here because they think it's missing. Secondly, I'm pretty sure that it's more than just relation in name- if nothing else, this certainly uses a whole lot of parts from the AK series. I mean, we have the RSC 1917 on the Lebel 1886 page, and basically the only the only part that those share is the stock. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 19:38, 22 February 2018 (EST) P.S.: Maybe we should give the RSC its own page. Just throwing it out there.
On the same topic, the 5.56x45mm version of AK-107, AK-108, is for some reason listed on the AK-47 page. I personally have no idea why these two are placed the way they are (is AK-108 somehow sharing more parts with the 7.62x39 AKs instead of the 5.45x39mm AKs or what?). The best (or the least bad) option I think is creating an AK-100 series page.--Wuzh (talk) 05:33, 24 February 2018 (EST)
Currently, policy states that all 5.56mm AKs go on the AK-47 page, as stated here by MPM. Spartan198 (talk) 12:41, 2 May 2019 (EDT)
I've been updating the AK-74M section to include the Universal Upgrade Kit 'Obves' when noticing it wasn't mentioned at all in the article, and now I'm wondering whether the Obves should have its own section or whether it's better to just include it under the AK-74M section. I've read information that the Obves is not just meant for AK-74Ms but for any ageing Kalashnikov system (AK-47, AKM, AK-74). Thoughts on how to organize and include this information better?--Ssantusky (talk) 20:13, 14 September 2019 (EDT)
I don’t think it’s supposed to be included until it appears in a media production.--AgentGumby (talk) 22:14, 14 September 2019 (EDT)
Yeah. The more senior users of IMFDB stress the fact that IMFDB is a database for guns in media, not a gun encyclopedia, and they really scrutinize against unnecessary uploads and weapon sections. --Wuzh (talk) 00:06, 15 September 2019 (EDT)
I understand. I don't know whether this particular weapon kit might be soon depicted in the media or not since it's relatively new, but I thought it appropriate to explain that the kit exists (and show photographs of how an upgraded AK-74M looks) if anything to further clarify Kalashnikov variants and avoid confusion with the new AK-200s series (soon to be used by India) and final production AK-12 models, the latter which is being depicted in many new video games.--Ssantusky (talk) 08:35, 15 September 2019 (EDT)
An AKS-74U Prototype That A Lot of People Don't Know It Exist!
So many people thought that the AKS-74U was made in the late 70s. Well, look at this prototype called the PP 1970, which was made in 1970. This is truly the first model of the 74U, and I try to look it up, but I couldn't find it. I just found a rare prototype AK.--Treliazz (talk) 13:02, 17 July 2020 (EDT)
This should have been in Black Ops. --Nanomat (talk) 13:42, 17 July 2020 (EDT)
Nah, Black Ops took place in the sixties, so this'd still be anachronistic. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 15:27, 17 July 2020 (EDT)
First, this thing is called PP-1. Secondly, this is 1972. Thirdly, one of the first projects of this type was a bullpup, and it appeared, if I remember correctly, in 1967. I had a collection of scans of prototypes with information somewhere, I have to look for it. --Slon95 (talk) 19:10, 17 July 2020 (EDT)
Here it is, your "pre-AKSU". AO-46, 1964. [1]. --Slon95 (talk) 08:13, 15 September 2020 (EDT)
North Korean Variants
Can somebody clarify the NK AK variants for me? Currently working on the Phantom Forces page and that game has the Type-88-2, which can be converted into the 88-1, 88 and 58. However, I'm not sure what the differences are between all of these.
The first North Korean AK model was the Type 58, which was a copy of the AK-47. The Type 58 was followed by the Type 68, which was based on the AKM. The Type 88 is based on the AK-74, with the initial variants of the rifle being the fixed stock Type 88 and the Type 88-1 which featured a Chinese-style side folding stock. The Type 88-2 came later and features a top folding stock and brownish polymer furniture. There are also more Type 88 variants whose names are unclear - one variant is a carbine version with a shortened barrel that appears to be used in North Korea's OICW and also as a separate weapon with the helical magazine, and there is a light machine gun variant that resembles the RPK-74 with a heavier barrel and a quad stack magazine. --Markit (talk) 17:22, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
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