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A SLING on the rifle!

Some people might not think this is anything to nod about but seeing so many Uncharted games and even recently the MGS5 gameplay trailers...I see a fucking sling on the SIG rifle that Drake takes and uses. He throws it to his back and we actually see the weapon's sling! See how hard is that Konami? I am weird out that Snake is carrying around his rifle dangling in the air like there SHOULD be a sling and motion capture for Snake most likely did but they couldn't animate a sling because some say it might be too hard and here's Uncharted having one. Excalibur01 (talk) 20:57, 6 December 2014 (EST)

I don't see any sling. You sure you aren't confusing Drake's shoulder holster for one? Spartan198 (talk) 23:06, 6 December 2014 (EST)

I saw the sling too. You can see it hanging below the rifle when he fires it and when he talks to his brother at the end of the gameplay trailer. It's a beige sling going across his chest which contrasts with the brown shoulder rig he's wearing. Sorry I don't have an image, I can't screencap to save my life. Also worth pointing out, the 1911A1 he picks up holds 9 rounds so it must replace the Colt Defender from the previous games. --Bad Boy (talk) 01:32, 7 December 2014 (EST)

Ah, I see. Well, I still feel slings to be a largely unnecessary detail due to the amount of programming needed to make them "work" that otherwise doesn't add anything to gameplay. In as many third person shooters as I've played since the days of PS1, I've never even noticed the absence of a sling. Spartan198 (talk) 03:06, 8 December 2014 (EST)

A sling isn't that hard to do if you're treating it like it's nailed to the character's shoulder (you can just point one handle on the character model and two others on the gun and use them to define its length) and you could use canned animations for it swinging around rather than physics if you want (the cut animations in MGS Rising are all pre-made because they couldn't get a dynamic system to work), but yeah, it'd be quite a lot of work to get a proper sling with physics. It's the same reason a lot of lazy FPS games use wheeled vehicles instead of tracked ones, and nobody tries to make tank treads with modelled individually articulated links (they usually just use a scrolling texture and a bump map). Evil Tim (talk) 03:35, 8 December 2014 (EST)

Then tell me, how often did you pay attention to the treads on Lazarevic's T-62 as it was demolishing that Tibetan village in Uncharted 2? Or were you like me and too preoccupied with the fact that it was shooting at everything that moved? Just like articulated tank treads, it's a nice detail but still largely unnecessary and doesn't really add anything to the game because nobody's going to pay much attention to it. Unless you intend to play through the game staring at the sling the entire time. Spartan198 (talk) 11:03, 8 December 2014 (EST)

I'm with you that it is unnecessary, but like you say it is a nice touch, and Naughty Dog is good at putting small little details into their games that if you don't keep your eyes you for you will miss. Either way I don't see why anyone would be against this small touch being in the game, unless they intend to have it hold real world properties and make it so you can snag it on a protruding branch or something. (Which personally I think would add much more tension to tough gun fights, but also be annoying as hell if it wasn't to be programmed exactly right).RedRobinAlpha (talk) 01:00, 9 December 2014 (GMT

To be fair, they did kind of draw your attention to the treads in that part where you'd shimmying along the ledge and it decides the best way to scare you is to almost drive off a cliff :P And they are known for some wonderfully unnecessary flourishes like the procedurally generated ocean in the ship level of Uncharted 3, or the sand physics later on (which were also used in Journey). Evil Tim (talk) 21:07, 8 December 2014 (EST)

An accurately-modelled, dynamically animated sling for a long gun that moves realistically requires a lot of work for not much benefit, as I've said before. You need (an incomplete list follows below):

A collision system around the body of the character, the gun, and the sling itself (to stop it from passing through itself).
A physics system to make it move around realistically under its own weight (given how many videos there are out there showing ingame physics engines bugging out, this isn't easy).
Stock animations (such as putting the long gun on your back or bringing it to the ready) and a way to make sure that the dynamic animations don't interfere with the stock ones.

A rather substantial amount of work for a small element. --Mazryonh (talk) 17:42, 4 January 2015 (EST)

Again, though, this is the same team that put procedurally generated waves in Uncharted 3 and made sure every object on the cruise liner moved in relation to the angle of the deck rather than just having them slide back and forth on fixed tracks. Evil Tim (talk) 18:49, 4 January 2015 (EST)

Try looking at this older video showing the Joker from the Arkham series. At around 10 seconds you can see the chain near his left thigh suddenly pop out of his 3D model (whereas before it was invisible). That's what can easily happen with a dynamic sling model that isn't rigorously bugtested and doesn't have exhaustive collision boxes. As for making objects in a level slide around due to waves outside, assuming your physics engine and hardware can handle it, wouldn't it largely be a matter of programming in a sequence for the direction of gravity to change in a regular pattern, and then have individual objects procedurally move around depending on their assigned masses, collision boxes, and friction values? --Mazryonh (talk) 03:06, 19 January 2015 (EST)

That sounds a lot easier than it is, having objects move dynamically on other objects is really hard (for example, it's really hard to do something as simple as put something in the back of a flatbed and drive it, because the engine tends to think the truck is crashing into the object: Crysis has that problem). You have to deal with things like the way the engine prevents objects clipping inside each other by aggressively trying to kick them out (this is why objects sometimes get launched into the air, and why exploits like this are possible even in 2D games). Just keeping the objects moving on the deck without them boinging around like bouncy balls would have been a nightmare. The hardest thing with a proper sling would actually be stopping it constantly pinging off Nathan's body, for the same reason. Keeping it out of his body wouldn't be a huge problem if they have something like physics modelling for pusing 3D foliage out of Nathan's way as he moves (which they almost certainly will).

The old consoles skipped out on a lot of physics stuff for memory reasons, EDF 2025 goes nuts with physics (spent casings will slide downhill and skip up into the air if they hit a dip, glass spraying out of a blasted window will bounce off other buildings, etc) and it tanks its framerate constantly despite using some pretty low-grade textures for a last-gen console game. Evil Tim (talk) 03:18, 19 January 2015 (EST)

I see, it's just that free sandbox physics games for the PC (like "Truck Dismount" and "Stair Dismount") have featured realistic physics behaviour (including inelastic collisions, which the Crysis bug you mention seems to have a problem with) since the early 2000s. Granted, those two games feature very small environments (nowhere near the size of a typical game level) and no textures, but it proved it was possible early on. One other early example of "lots of individual objects subject to ingame physics" can be found in Metal Gear Solid 2, specifically with shell casings. If many bullets are fired (most easily seen with Iroquois Pliskin if you antagonize him just after Raiden first meets him), all the shell casings will collect on the ground and still be subject to ingame physics so as long as they haven't completely come to a stop. They can actually pile up to a pretty surprising amount, a level of detail I haven't seen since in gaming. --Mazryonh (talk) 02:45, 20 January 2015 (EST)

MGS2 is kind of special, there's also two wine coolers in that game most people won't even notice which have ice in them, and someone on the team made a dynamic model for ice melting which bases the rate on the proximity of other ice cubes. Evil Tim (talk) 02:57, 20 January 2015 (EST)

I'm obviously kinda late to this party but one guy here was questioning the point of details like the sling and properly animated tracks on tanks and whatnot. That kind of mentality, "why bother if it's only a small detail?" is ridiculous. Why did we bother going from N64 graphics then? They worked just well didn't they? Why bother with this why bother with that if what we have already works??!? Well, I'll tell ya, because otherwise we would never progress anywhere if we we're just happy with no change, no matter how small or big. Really, i can't understand why one would think that way. (Well, maybe a little)--AnActualAK47 (talk) 11:48, 11 October 2015 (EDT)

I question its necessity because it doesn't add anything to actual gameplay. Don't know how or why that's hard to understand, it's pretty simple. The comparison to N64 graphics is apples to oranges. Seriously, how much attention is really going to be paid to a dynamic sling unless you intend to play through the game staring at it the whole time? It's a lot of work for little real benefit and it takes RAM away from more important aspects of the game. Spartan198 (talk) 22:23, 11 October 2015 (EDT)

I highly doubt a sling is going to cause the game to run worse due to its use of RAM. It's a nice detail that give the game world a sense of "realness" to it. It gives of an organic feel to it because it's a slings that moves around realistically in a video game, something that is not seen often.

Even if that sling is some kind of murderer of performance, it is still a nice showing of things to come, in a few years, that type of fancy cloth physics will be standard, and ND was one of the studios to pave the way for it.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 01:09, 12 October 2015 (EDT)

These unnecessary but nice to see flashes of realism can be a hallmark of a good development team. MGS2 was chock-full of them, but that's simply not a priority in gaming anymore (especially since game development got much more expensive and the budgets that much tighter). If Naughty Dog can do it, they should. It's not like this is an unpopular series. --Mazryonh (talk) 20:54, 15 October 2015 (EDT)

I would say it has never been a priority in gaming. If a dev felt that they wanted a certain detail, no matter how small or big, they would add it, this isn't a dying trend, I would say it's more common with small details nowadays than before, back in the day.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 10:27, 16 October 2015 (EDT)

Wrong Reloading Animation!?

Does it bother anyone else that Drake reloads the SIG as if it has an AK style mag release, (pressing the fresh magazine against the release and then knocking the empty one off with one motion) when the SG556 has a button release housed above the trigger guard? (I've watch closely and he doesn't press the release before doing so.) I am however loving the small addition of racking the bolt after picking up the rifle. RedRobinAlpha (talk) 01:00, 9 December 2014 (GMT

No more than it bothered me in the previous four Uncharted games. They've always used AK-based animations for all assault rifles. Spartan198 (talk) 02:40, 9 December 2014 (EST)

Hasn't the whole focus of the series been on the "high adventure" aspect rather than the combat and firearms accuracy? It would be nice to see more accurate animations in future installments, but that's unlikely given that this is supposed to be the last one for Nathan Drake. --Mazryonh (talk) 17:15, 4 January 2015 (EST)

Because the older consoles had very little in the way of RAM and slow loading, they tended to take a lot of shortcuts: one frequent one was reusing animations in third-person games, as with Nico Bellic using the same hand positions for every weapon of a given type. Two weapon inventory in shooters was for that reason too, so the game only had to have two high-res weapon models loaded at once (the MGR: Revengeance team said the reason there's no quick-select for weapons in that game is they had to pause it to dump the old weapon's files out of memory or the game would crash). So in theory they shouldn't have to use one reference animation for all ARs anymore. Evil Tim (talk) 17:35, 4 January 2015 (EST)

Do you mean reload animations from just 3rd-person shooter games in general, or do you include FPS games as well? The oldest third-person-perspective game I know of that had 2 reload animations for its guns is Silent Hill 3, and that was originally a PS2 game. Other older FPS games (especially of the tactical variety, such as SWAT 4) have had 2 reload animations as well, albeit those are mostly for the PC--Mazryonh (talk) 02:00, 19 January 2015 (EST).

IIRC Silent Hill 3 only has three weapons which even have reloading animations, so it can splurge a little; I was thinking more about games like the Quantum of Solace one, where every single two-handed gun has a foregrip so they can use the same cover poses for all of them. I imagine it's the same with sharing animations between guns; if you just use the same one, you don't have to keep going "ok, what will this look like behind each piece of cover, when walking, when running..." and that would save a lot of memory since you'd have to load all of those in case the player did them. Evil Tim (talk) 03:47, 19 January 2015 (EST)

Hopefully we'll see a proper reload animation for any potential AR-15 rifle in the game this time around. The reuse of the AK reload on those rifle in the previous games annoyed me more then it should. I would have thought that "two ranged weapons only" gameplay mechanic was a small nod towards realism (most people aren't anywhere near strong enough to carry two full-size long guns and "enough" ammunition for both, plus full kit). I suppose the takeaway from SH3 is that multiple reload animations in a console game are perfectly possible, assuming they are a priority for the development team. The Xbox 360 had only 512 MB of RAM and the PS3 had only 256 MB RAM (in an age where gigabytes of RAM for PCs was rather cheap), so I suppose that was one of the limiting factors for multiplatform games like MGR:R. Still, I remember Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 had customizable loadouts for guns and 2 FPV reload animations for most of them (even ones that didn't really need it, such as for the Taurus Raging Bull). I never played the console versions of Vegas 2, but if separate reload animations were visible in 3PV in that game's multiplayer, then you could end up with a lot of reload animations in memory, or even more if players could loot weapons from fallen players (as has been standard for multiplayer FPSes for a long time). --Mazryonh (talk) 02:19, 20 January 2015 (EST)

Eh, two full-sized weapons perhaps, but that doesn't really explain the whole "pistol is the same size as a rocket launcher" or games that let you carry all the weapons but still rotate them into a two-slot inventory. I think with multiplayer they scrimp on world detail to save memory, multiplayer maps are rarely much to look at compared to the same game's single player.

With Uncharted, though, you have a ton more character animations because Nathan doesn't just military his way around the place, he can jump and roll and the like, plus he has things like the brutal melee animations, mantling, climbing, etc, and he's in single player so you've got a lot of pretty level textures eating through a very limited amount of RAM (I think PS3 does have another 256 megs of graphics RAM, so it's not quite that bad, but still, one of the reasons console Far Cry is so cut down is the original wanted 1 gig of RAM and a 256 meg graphics card for max settings). In that case I can forgive them things like using mirrored left / right reloads so Nathan keeps pulling charging handles that aren't there, but I'd be surprised if they kept doing that with eight gigs of RAM to play with, that'd just be lazy. Evil Tim (talk) 03:04, 20 January 2015 (EST)

Yes, I hope that Naughty Dog will make full use of the PS4's resources. Still, as Silent Hill 3 proves, it can happen if it's a priority. --Mazryonh (talk) 00:08, 7 March 2015 (EST)

One thing I appreciate is that in the most recent gameplay demo they've added a lefthanded reload animation for the AK, as opposed to mirroring the animation and having nate cock a non existent charging handle. Another nice little touch in an amazing looking game.--One shot is all it takes. (talk) 13:52, 15 August 2015 (EDT)

New Multiplayer trailer shows a bunch of new guns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=28&v=gHDKnWosOyY --AnActualAK47 (talk) 14:47, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

I'll admit, I'm very bad at identifying and naming guns, but there appeared to be some kind of FAL-ish rifle in the trailer. Then there was what looked like a burst-firing 92FS (how hard can it be to just make a 93R?) There was also a bolt-action rifle that looked like Remington 700 with a synthetic green body. There where also some other guns that i'm not sure of what they are supposed to be.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 14:57, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Multiplayer stream showed a lot of new guns.

Well the multiplayer stream showed off a lot of weapons. I screencapped some of the menus. What I can already see is a Beretta ARX-160, China Lake, a Franchi SPAS-12, M14, FN FAL, Beretta Raffica and others which you may help me properly identify. Screenshots of the heavy/long/sidearm screens.

http://imgur.com/MAuOGHZ

http://imgur.com/KIxRF5T

http://imgur.com/Ew91t0n

EDIT: Much better screenshots in this topic. http://www.dualshockers.com/2015/12/03/uncharted-4-ps4-multiplayer-beta-155-screenshotsvideos-show-customization-options-menus-and-more/

StarTsurugi (talk) 21:27, 3 December 2015 (GMT+2)

Barok .44 looks like a Chiappa Rhino, and the Scoped Pistol could be a Thompson Contender. These are just guesses though.--Aidoru (talk) 15:03, 3 December 2015 (EST)

I have an key for the closed beta, so i might snag some pics once it's on. Also, im fairly sure that 93R is a 92FS converted to burstfire, it seems to have a slide mounted safety and the more rounded slide of the ::FS.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 15:05, 3 December 2015 (EST)

Actually the Barok .44 looks like a Mateba Model 6 Unica. Mr. Wolf (talk) 21:49, 3 December 2015 (EST)

RPG-7

In a screen shot Drake is seen riding a horse with an RPG-7.

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-=A SLING on the rifle!=
+==A SLING on the rifle!==
 Some people might not think this is anything to nod about but seeing so many Uncharted games and even recently the MGS5 gameplay trailers...I see a fucking sling on the SIG rifle that Drake takes and uses. He throws it to his back and we actually see the weapon's sling! See how hard is that Konami? I am weird out that Snake is carrying around his rifle dangling in the air like there SHOULD be a sling and motion capture for Snake most likely did but they couldn't animate a sling because some say it might be too hard and here's Uncharted having one. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 20:57, 6 December 2014 (EST)
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 ::I would say it has never been a priority in gaming. If a dev felt that they wanted a certain detail, no matter how small or big, they would add it, this isn't a dying trend, I would say it's more common with small details nowadays than before, back in the day.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 10:27, 16 October 2015 (EDT)
-=Wrong Reloading Animation!?=
+==Wrong Reloading Animation!?==
 Does it bother anyone else that Drake reloads the SIG as if it has an AK style mag release, (pressing the fresh magazine against the release and then knocking the empty one off with one motion) when the SG556 has a button release housed above the trigger guard? (I've watch closely and he doesn't press the release before doing so.)
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 Actually after a bit more digging I think it's [http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pC6loov6seA/VB8JMuO90ZI/AAAAAAAAHJE/Exv1xb-3W4M/s1600/Hand%2BEjector.jpg this]
 --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 17:06, 11 May 2016 (EDT)
+:I'd have to say it's a hybrid of a [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]] and a [[Colt Trooper]]. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:40, 18 May 2016 (EDT)
 == The "M24" rifle ==
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 ::Yeah I checked the site and couldn't find a match, It's something I haven't seen and it might be a new gun, so guess it's time to search. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 22:50, 13 May 2016 (EDT)
-= ID help plox =
+== ID help plox ==
 The two last pictures are some type of M14 rifles, that much i know.
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 ::::::::I have a feeling these will turn out to be a bunch of weirdo one-offs like one of the leverguns being a specific model of Kalthoff repeater or something. The one at the top seems to be a levergun fitted with a grenade launching cup, which is certainly, um, unique. Second image top is a wheellock, second from bottom looks like a breech-loader (Ferguson rifle, maybe?)
 ::::::::The revolving rifle is actually the odd one out since it isn't an antique at all, it's a [http://gearsofguns.com/aaron-george-j-tibbert-12-shot-revolving-rifle-gun-of-the-day/ George J Tibbert Revolving Rifle], which days way back to, um, 2006. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 16:17, 16 May 2016 (EDT)
-:::::::::That's odd, guess she really liked the rifle(?) BTW any update on what the sniper might be, is it even a real gun?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:22, 16 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::::::::That's odd, guess she really liked the rifle(?) BTW any update on what the sniper might be, is it even a real gun?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:22, 16 May 2016
+:::::::::The rifle just above of the Mosin Nagant looks like some type of Schuetzen target rifle--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 20:55, 17 May 2016 (EDT)
+(EDT)
 On another note, I think the Mini-14 in this is actually the Mini-30, the magazine resembles a curved 7.62x39 STANAG.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 20:03, 16 May 2016 (EDT)
 :Oh wow on that revolving rifle, that's pretty cool. I don't know about the Mini-14 being a real Mini-30, knowing how Uncharted's weapons are modeled, the magazine is that long on the Mini-14 GB we have already listed and that and this look big enough for a 7.62 NATO, let alone a 7.62x39. And one more thing, Mini-14/30's don't take STANAG mags. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 23:08, 16 May 2016 (EDT)
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 :::We tend to be ok with it as long as it doesn't have someone else's watermark on it and as long as we don't know you've edited it out (ie, don't upload a image with the watermark hacked off it ''after'' we've seen it with one). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 11:00, 17 May 2016 (EDT)
 ::::Alrighty then.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 12:18, 17 May 2016 (EDT)
+Re: the Mini-14, I know I'm kinda late, but I just got the game a few months ago. What appears to be a gas tube on the in-game rifle, might just be a portrayal of a Accu-Strut or other barrel harmonizer/stiffening device to fix the flailing barrels of early Mini-14 with thin barrels. It mounts to the gas block, but there is no gas going into it, it's just a weirdly placed clamp and a solid rod. --[[User:CarlVolt|CarlVolt]] ([[User talk:CarlVolt|talk]])
+I'mma just go ahead and add that it looks like an Accu-Strut. The device that I am talking about; http://accu-strut.com/our-products --[[User:CarlVolt|CarlVolt]] ([[User talk:CarlVolt|talk]]) 13:56, 05 December 2020 (EDT)
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 [[Image:M1A JAE-100.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1A with JAE-100 stock -  7.62x51mm NATO]]
-= Grenade launcher =
+== Grenade launcher ==
 Am I the only one who sees some resemblance between that mutant GL and an arwen 37? --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 12:59, 15 May 2016 (EDT)
 :There are some vague similarities.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 13:32, 15 May 2016 (EDT)
 ::I don't, it's what we already said it is, it's a China Lake with Uncharted 2&3's MGL's 4-round cylinder. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 22:53, 15 May 2016 (EDT)
+: : : I agree with the current description, it's just the general layout and outline/shape that reminds me of an arwen --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 13:53, 19 May 2016 (EDT)
-= SCAR-L?!?!??!?! =
+== SCAR-L?!?!??!?! ==
 Exactly when and where does this weapon appear?
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 :Then that's settled.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:25, 17 May 2016 (EDT)
-= spoiler warning. =
+== spoiler warning. ==
 Should we put one up? There are some screenshots on this page that are kinda spoilery.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 09:50, 17 May 2016 (EDT)
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 Might as well [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:02, 17 May 2016 (EDT)
-=Sig 556 with Scorpion Evo 3 stock=
+==SIG 556 with Scorpion Evo 3 stock==
-Just realized it would be cool if someone could photoshot the stock into the rifle to see what it looks like in real life :) kinda similar to what you guys did with the AKs of MW2/MW3 or the AK-103 with wood furniture.
+Just realized it would be cool if someone could photoshot the stock into the rifle to see what it looks like in real life :) kinda similar to what you guys did with the AKs of MW2/MW3 or the AK-103 with wood furniture in Far Cry 3--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 16:53, 17 May 2016 (EDT)
+:I could give it a shot (höhö)--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:46, 17 May 2016 (EDT)
+::[[File:Cz556.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Muh czechnology on muh swiss raifu]]--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 01:30, 18 May 2016 (EDT)
+: wow looks almost exactly like the one ingame, thanks gumby^^--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 03:57, 18 May 2016 (EDT)
+::Nice!--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 08:11, 18 May 2016 (EDT)
+Could you photoshop any of the other weapons? Like the XCR without the stock or any optics [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:32, 18 May 2016 (EDT)
+:Well, Evil Tim just removed the photoshopped image adding that we should try to avoid using, well, ''photoshopped'' images.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 11:26, 18 May 2016 (EDT)
+::I can see it as being useful for something like the MW AKs because they're customised with actual AK parts, but for this you could just show actual photos of a SIG and Scorpion and trust the user to imagine what the stock of the latter looks like fitted to the former. Otherwise it sets a bad precedent where we might be showing people images of guns that aren't real as if they are. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 11:37, 18 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::Got it.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 12:05, 18 May 2016 (EDT)
+== Finishing this page. ==
+Alright, so the only guns that need a more screens is the Stoner 63 (the MP version that you can carry on person), the Jackal revolver (some screens of it in the hands of the player) and the Bishai .50 Cal. I think that pistol is based of the Thompson Contender and the only place to get screens of it is from the multiplayer.
+If anyone got those two revolver in the MP, i would appreciate adding pics of em' to this page.
+Anyhow, once we're finished with those entries, i think this page is done!--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2016 (EDT)
+:Edit: We need to identify that bolt gun and get a screen of the M88 from the intro.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:00, 29 May 2016 (EDT)
+::It's need screenshot for [[Uncharted_4:_A_Thief's_End#Mossberg_Maverick_88|Mossberg Maverick 88]]. After adding it, the page will be complite. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 09:37, 30 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::...and also screens from those two other weapons i mentioned.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 11:55, 30 May 2016 (EDT)
+::::Screenshots for Stoner 63 and Jackal revolver were added by previosly users, ''Bishai .50 Cal'' hasn't even own section. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 13:16, 30 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::::The Stoner could use atleast on pic of it being carried by someone in the MP, same for the Jackal. The Bishai now has a section.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:45, 30 May 2016 (EDT)
+::::::Thanks! May you upload the needful screenshots. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 16:07, 30 May 2016 (EDT)
+:::::::Would it be possible to get some better screens of Sully's revolver? --[[User:K|K]] ([[User talk:K|talk]]) 22:38, 30 May 2016 (EDT)
+K, I've been working on new screens for his revolver.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 04:28, 31 May 2016 (EDT)
+What about the revolver used by the corrupt prison guard at the start? --[[User:Slemke1998|Slemke1998]] ([[User talk:Slemke1998|talk]]) 11:16, 4 June 2016 (EDT)
+:I've been thinking about that gun. I expected to see it later on in the game at some point but it doesn't appear at any point in the game after that cutscene. It's obviously not the same as the Jackal revolver, it's a unique weapon that is only seen in that cutscene.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 12:58, 4 June 2016 (EDT)
+::I feel like it was just meant to be a generic revolver. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 22:36, 5 June 2016 (EDT)
+::Actually I just realized it's the same model as Sully's revolver but with a shorter barrel without the ejector shroud, a different grip, and blued texture! Not saying it's a S&W Model 629 Classic, cause it looks nothing like one now. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 22:45, 5 June 2016 (EDT)
+:::You sure? Can't say i see the similarities.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 23:12, 5 June 2016 (EDT)
+::::They both have the same sights, cylinder release, screw placement, and undersized trigger.
+::::[[File:Uncharted TE M629 left.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
+::::[[File:Uncharted TE revolver misc2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]] [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 23:17, 5 June 2016 (EDT)
+== New DLC Weapons ==
+Hey all, just saw that this game got a new DLC that added some weapons to multiplayer (and maybe single player?) including a P90, Steyr AUG, a few pistols and a new sniper. Unfortunately I don't have screenshot capability or I'd grab some. Anybody up to it? --[[User:K|K]] ([[User talk:K|talk]]) 13:30, 1 August 2016 (EDT)
+:You don't have the game? As long as you got it on yer PS4 you can take screenshots with the share button. Anyway, i doubt they added the weapons to the single player, they didn't add the FAL from UC3 to the SP until the remaster.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:58, 1 August 2016 (EDT)
+::Unfortunately I'm still stuck on the PS3 for the time being. --[[User:K|K]] ([[User talk:K|talk]]) 15:25, 1 August 2016 (EDT)
+:::Life of the mack.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:46, 1 August 2016 (EDT)
+:::: Will take snippets later and post them here, there's a P90, an AUG, a Glock and Beretta (which are already on the page) and a Sniper rifle, which'll be tricky, as it's not in the weapons display room. --[[User:StarTsurugi|StarTsurugi]] ([[User talk:StarTsurugi|talk]]) 0:43, 2 August 2016 (GMT)
+::::: OK, got the screenshots. Not sure how to insert them though.
+The Beretta http://i.imgur.com/Sq6Duz8.jpg Same Beretta 92FS Brigadier Inox?
+The Glock http://i.imgur.com/uenmzxO.jpg Same Heckler & Koch USP/Glock 17 Hybrid
+The P90 http://i.imgur.com/cwOYqZ2.jpg
+The Aug http://i.imgur.com/riOedxS.jpg
+A Steyr SSG 08? http://i.imgur.com/ozENQfh.jpg + http://i.imgur.com/uYgw5Vh.jpg
+[[User:StarTsurugi|StarTsurugi]] ([[User talk:StarTsurugi|talk]]) 17:13, 24 August 2016 (GMT)
+I can take of uploading the screens. That AUG thing though, disgusting.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:45, 24 August 2016 (EDT)
+:The AUG looks like it's based on the [[Talk:Steyr AUG|Thales F90]] and it's using P90 magazines(!) I think it seems to be a P90/Thales F90 hybrid.  [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 17:26, 24 August 2016 (EDT)
+::It sure is ugly.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 06:55, 25 August 2016 (EDT)
+:::Most people would say that about the regular AUG. Ugly is as ugly does. It looks like a more refined and more functional Kalash 2012 from the Metro games. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:43, 25 August 2016 (EDT)
+Can someone actually help getting the screens of the DLC guns into the article itself? I'm still new at this and I feel like I'd just screw it up. [[User:StarTsurugi|StarTsurugi]] ([[User talk:StarTsurugi|talk]]) 22:18, 28 August 2016 (GMT)
+:Well, you gotta try it sometimr, but i can do it when i find the timr.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 01:59, 29 August 2016 (EDT)
+For one I think that the Glock type pistol the added to MP is the same gun that Nadine uses in the singleplayer. Also does anyone think that they reused the model of the burst pistol from The Last Of Us for this game with the muzzle-brake and extended mag removed and maybe a higher texture quality?--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|One shot is all it takes.]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 06:47, 8 December 2016 (EST)
+This page is this state for more than 1 year...
+Looking at official wiki they got previous games guns too...--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 06:06, 19 January 2017 (EST)
+== Lantern pistol ==
+I don't have the game to get a screenshot, but the treasure's location is [https://youtu.be/U78NmHekm8s?list=PLrekaHLD2rhYYOsdw7Dj8UcwVIC-nwMGi&t=1438 here] in the Scotland level. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 16:49, 12 February 2017 (EST)
+:And the Muff Pistol is [[https://youtu.be/6ZsZEv17jCc?list=PLrekaHLD2rhYYOsdw7Dj8UcwVIC-nwMGi&t=1234 here]]. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 20:41, 12 February 2017 (EST)
+== Real Life equivalent of R-81 Fossa found ==
+Here. Is the Croatian Alka M-93.
+[[File:alkam93.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Alka M-93.]]
+:It's probably, has some Alka's elements, but it's not the Alka M-93. Note the lack of reloading handle (I don't know English term) on the M-93. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 06:10, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
+::I can see some similarities. But don't change the entry just like that.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 09:09, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
+:::Thats why I said it got elements from vz.61.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 15:15, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
+::::True, but removing the present images of the vz and uzi and completely deleting the old description isn't wise. Just modify the present description and add the screenshot of the M-93, like i did.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:19, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
+How about call it "R-81 Fossa" instead of Vz.61/Uzi hybrid then?
+:The way i see it, while the gun is a mutant, it bears so much resemblance to the Vz.61 that keeping the name as it is works. It's not like some of the guns in CoD: Infinite warfare that are just amalgamations of parts from different real-life weapons that calling them by a real name or writing x/y/z hybrid would be unnecessarily long or wrong. For all intents are purposes, it's a Vz.61 with its grip pushed forward and the magazine in the grip. Don't forget to sign your posts btw.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:52, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
+== Lost Legacy? ==
+If IMFDB were to do a page on The Lost Legacy, which is a standalone DLC for the game, will it be included on this page? --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 05:04, 21 April 2018 (EDT)
+:Probably, does it use the same weapons? If it doesn't have any new ones we could just add it to the writeup. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 05:40, 21 April 2018 (EDT)
+::Well there's a few new weapons in TLL. I know that INSAS and QBZ-95 are new, but I'm not that familiar with Uncharted weapon names and the Uncharted wiki has a distinct lack of images, so I'm not sure what is added beyond that. We also seem to be missing some multiplayer weapons.--[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 06:10, 21 April 2018 (EDT)
+:::From the names it looks like the usual suspects with a couple of additions. Only problem is AnActualAK47 who made this page hasn't been around for almost a year. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 06:29, 21 April 2018 (EDT)
+::::Lost Legacy is not a DLC is a complete new game. But for the weapons, seems like they did the game before and then add the Lost Legacy guns in U4 MP.... --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 05:10, 26 April 2018 (EDT)
+Also Lost Legacy got 3 exclusive guns that are not present in Uncharted 4...--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 05:51, 30 April 2018 (EDT)
+... but miss most of the Uncharted 4 guns.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 05:38, 9 May 2018 (EDT)
+== I think we may be done ==
+So, I've added all the images that were needed and a few guns that were omitted. I can get more images if needed of The Lost Legacy weapons, but I would say this page is looking pretty complete. Thoughts?--[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 01:38, 5 September 2018 (EDT)
+:We still don't have a pic for the "muff pistol" treasure. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:10, 5 September 2018 (EDT)
+== Guns in Concepts... ==
+Well, there are some guns that are sketched on Concept Art that appear in-game. They are pretty detailed should we add it?
+[[File:ull insas concept.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[INSAS]].]]
+[[File:uncharted 4 aimr concept.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[AK-47|AIMR]].]]
+[[File:uncharted 4 ar15 concept.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[AR-15]] with scope.]]
+I have seen also some [[SCAR-L]],real [[DShK]],etc, in other concept arts. I think we should add it. What are your opinions?--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 03:40, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
+== Galil/INSAS error justification ==
+Found an article here: https://www.quora.com/Did-the-Indian-Army-adopt-the-IWI-Galil-rifle-to-replace-the-INSAS-because-the-indigenous-rifle-failed According to the 1st answer, a Galil clone called OFB 7,62x51 was supposed to replace the INSAS but failed the tests in 2017 (When the game takes place.)--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 05:01, 12 September 2019 (EDT)
+==Missing Images==
+Did it ever occur to the volunteers on this page that some of the images are missing?--[[User:DJBrimstorm|DJBrimstorm]] ([[User talk:DJBrimstorm|talk]]) 11:11, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
+It was due an error while the upgrading the server. It was caused by the "tm" in the file name. Uploaded some pics from LL but cant get the MP guns.
+And yes. We are aware.
+--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 11:28, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
+:Will it be taken care of--[[User:DJBrimstorm|DJBrimstorm]] ([[User talk:DJBrimstorm|talk]]) 11:29, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
+::I still think there should be some way to get the old images back - there's likely an archive of the page somewhere that has them, right? I have a hard time believing they simply disappeared forever. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 12:39, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
+:::Update: [https://web.archive.org/web/20210726121933/https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Uncharted_4:_A_Thief's_End I was right.] Wayback Machine saves the images, so we can use that to grab any files with broken names. Now all we've gotta do is find all of the pages where this is an issue. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 12:45, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
+::::Andddd done. Restored.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 19:15, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

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