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=Additional Images= | |||
==Other Luger Variants== | ==Other Luger Variants== | ||
[[ | [[File:Luger 1906 left side.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Model 1906 Luger - 7.65x21mm Luger. Grip safety and 4.75" tapered barrel]] | ||
[[ | [[File:Luger 1906-24 right side.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Model 1906/24 Luger by W+F with bright wood grip - 7.65x21mm Luger.]] | ||
[[ | [[File:ErmaLuger.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Erma "Mini" Luger - .32 ACP]] | ||
[[ | [[File:Luger_36470.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Borchardt-Luger Artillery prototype - 7.65x21mm Luger]] | ||
[[File:P04NavyLuger.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Luger P04 - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[File:Lugermarina.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Marine Luger and holster]] | [[File:Lugermarina.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Marine Luger and holster]] | ||
[[File:Luger P08 suppressed.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Luger P08 with suppressor - 9x19mm Parabellum]] | |||
[[File:Werle AK47 Luger.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom automatic Luger with AKM parts by Waffen Werle - 9x19mm Parabellum]] | |||
[[File:20083231079 MatchLuger95.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Customized Luger with 4.5" heavy barrel and target sights - 9x19mm Parabellum]] | |||
[[File:Luger Martz 45ACP.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Luger converted by John Martz to .45 ACP with 4.75" heavy barrel]] | |||
[[File:Baby Luger.jpg|thumb|none|450px|John Martz converted WWI DWM military Luger to "Baby Luger" with 2.75" barrel and shortened grips - 9x19mm Parabellum]] | |||
[[File:23666391 1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Customized Luger with 9" heavy barrel and Rosewood target grips.1914 dated chamber, DWM marked toggle, with ramp front and clip-adjust rear sights. Bottom of barrel just forward of frame marked ''VL&A Chicago'', indicating that the customization was probably performed by Von Lengerke & Antoine, who maintained a very large sporting goods shop in downtown Chicago and imported many Lugers into America in the 1920s - 9x19mm Parabellum]] | |||
[[File:Luger-P08ArtilleryWDrum%26Stock.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Luger LP08 "Artillery" with Trommelmagazin 08 and shoulder stock - 9x19mm Parabellum]] | |||
[[File:Luger Carbine Snail.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Luger Carbine with ''Trommelmagazin 08'' "snail" drum magazine and Lyman aperture sight on custom mount - 7.65x21mm Parabellum]] | |||
==Discussion | == Blank-Firing and Less-Lethal Variants == | ||
[[File:ME Luger P08.jpg|thumb|none|400px|ME Luger P08, a blank firing gun - 9mm PAK]] | |||
==Airsoft/Non-Firing Variants== | |||
[[Image:Majorluger.jpg|thumb|400px|none|WE Luger Silver]] | |||
[[File:WE Luger P08 (6" Barrel).jpg|thumb|none|400px|WE Marine Luger P08]] | |||
[[File:Marushin Luger Gold.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Marushin Gold Luger P08]] | |||
[[File:Marushin Luger Artillery Gold.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Marushin Gold Luger Artillery P08]] | |||
[[File:Denix-Luger P08-1143.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Denix Luger P08 non-firing replica]] | |||
[[File:Gletcher Parabellum.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gletcher Parabellum - .177]] | |||
=Discussion= | |||
Do you want to take down the picture of the black luger since we know have MPM2008's images on the page?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC) | Do you want to take down the picture of the black luger since we know have MPM2008's images on the page?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
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== .45 Luger Pistol == | == .45 Luger Pistol == | ||
I have found a picture of the famous Luger Pistol chambered in .45 ACP from 1908. It is the only known .45 Luger to still exist today. The other pistol, Serial No. 1, was used in the 1908 pistol test in which it was tested along-side the Colt M1905 Pistol. The original was thrown away after the tests and the other remaning Lugers were either lost or destroyed. This .45 Luger Pistol remains the last of its kind to this day. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] | I have found a picture of the famous Luger Pistol chambered in .45 ACP from 1908. It is the only known .45 Luger to still exist today. The other pistol, Serial No. 1, was used in the 1908 pistol test in which it was tested along-side the Colt M1905 Pistol. The original was thrown away after the tests and the other remaning Lugers were either lost or destroyed. This .45 Luger Pistol remains the last of its kind to this day. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] | ||
:Actually, I remember hearing about a gunsmith who was handcrafting a limited number (around one hundred) of .45 Lugers according to original specifications. However, the high price tags ($10,000-$100,000) meant that the Lugers were more pieces of jewelry than weapons. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]] | :Actually, I remember hearing about a gunsmith who was handcrafting a limited number (around one hundred) of .45 Lugers according to original specifications. However, the high price tags ($10,000-$100,000) meant that the Lugers were more pieces of jewelry than weapons. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]] | ||
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:::Actually, the famous "million dollar Luger" sold for that in 1989, in a private sale to an Indonesian businessman (who, incidentally, was not a gun collector and probably overpaid). It went up in auction back in March of this year and sold for $494,500. Combination of the economic climate in the 80s (remember "Greed is good"?) compared to today's recession, and the fact that the provenance of that particular gun is actually somewhat shaky. It's definately a real 1907 .45 Luger but there's real doubt as to whether it's actually one of the US army test guns. DWM made a few .45 prototypes for the commercial market as well before deciding there wasn't a market for it. The idea that there's only one survivor isn't accurate, serial # 2,4,7 are known, as well as the carbine, the authenticity of which is questionned. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]] | :::Actually, the famous "million dollar Luger" sold for that in 1989, in a private sale to an Indonesian businessman (who, incidentally, was not a gun collector and probably overpaid). It went up in auction back in March of this year and sold for $494,500. Combination of the economic climate in the 80s (remember "Greed is good"?) compared to today's recession, and the fact that the provenance of that particular gun is actually somewhat shaky. It's definately a real 1907 .45 Luger but there's real doubt as to whether it's actually one of the US army test guns. DWM made a few .45 prototypes for the commercial market as well before deciding there wasn't a market for it. The idea that there's only one survivor isn't accurate, serial # 2,4,7 are known, as well as the carbine, the authenticity of which is questionned. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]] | ||
::::What I can't exactly understand is ''why'' there wasn't a market. I mean, Lugers were popular, .45 ACP was popular, why wouldn't a combination of the 2 be popular as well? Did the target markets just not overlap? I mean, you offer a gun owner or collector a freshly-produced .45 Luger today and they'll probably cream their jeans. So, what gives? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 09:03, 22 January 2017 (EST) | |||
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== Gold-plated Lugers in movies == | == Gold-plated Lugers in movies == | ||
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If you had read what I wrote, then you would see that I did not say that the movie was in black & white. I said that at the time we only owned a black & white tv set. I know that the movie was in color because it was one of a series of Roger Corman movies that American International hired Larry Buchanan to remake for syndication to tv stations. They were having trouble syndicating the originals because they were in Black & White. David. | If you had read what I wrote, then you would see that I did not say that the movie was in black & white. I said that at the time we only owned a black & white tv set. I know that the movie was in color because it was one of a series of Roger Corman movies that American International hired Larry Buchanan to remake for syndication to tv stations. They were having trouble syndicating the originals because they were in Black & White. David. | ||
I just watched it on Comet TV. The Luger has a shinny finish, but as the scene was filmed day-for-night, I couldn't tell if it was gold plated, or chrome plated. The drum magazine seemed to have the same finish on it.--[[User:Krel|Krel]] ([[User talk:Krel|talk]]) 00:49, 23 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
Luger there a nickel-plated, with the usual snail drum magazine. Captain described him as "special Luger with 30-round magazine." --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:01, 24 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
==P04 or Marine P08== | ==P04 or Marine P08== | ||
I'm trying to ID the specific variant of the pistol used in [[High School of the Dead]], as it's not the Artillery model which picture on that page is, and I thought I had it pinned as the P04, given the detachable stock, 6 inch barrel, the grove-like features on the round parts of the base of the magazine (which I read are specific to the P04), and most notably the rear sight, but then I saw both the Marine P08 and the P04 on this page, which look almost identical, and now I'm lost. Can someone with better knowledge of this gun's variants help me out? [http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110109134503/highschool-of-the-dead/images/7/77/Luger.jpg Here's the completely identical manga version] of the scene screencapped on that page, simply more detailed, and here's [http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110218030938/deadliestfiction/images/3/35/Postcard02_Saya.jpg official artwork] of Saya with her pistol. EDIT: Looking into the "Vickers Ltd" on it, I found this on Wikipedia: "The company was also involved in the manufacture of 6000-10000 (6181 is often quoted) Luger pistols in 1922-24. These 1906 pattern pistols were in 9 mm calibre and part of a contract for the Dutch military. The Lugers are identifiable by the inscription "Vickers Ltd" on the forward toggle link." This makes sense, as it was referred to as a "Holland model" in the show, though I still want help with the details here. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:56, 27 March 2014 (EDT) | I'm trying to ID the specific variant of the pistol used in [[High School of the Dead]], as it's not the Artillery model which picture on that page is, and I thought I had it pinned as the P04, given the detachable stock, 6 inch barrel, the grove-like features on the round parts of the base of the magazine (which I read are specific to the P04), and most notably the rear sight, but then I saw both the Marine P08 and the P04 on this page, which look almost identical, and now I'm lost. Can someone with better knowledge of this gun's variants help me out? [http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110109134503/highschool-of-the-dead/images/7/77/Luger.jpg Here's the completely identical manga version] of the scene screencapped on that page, simply more detailed, and here's [http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110218030938/deadliestfiction/images/3/35/Postcard02_Saya.jpg official artwork] of Saya with her pistol. EDIT: Looking into the "Vickers Ltd" on it, I found this on Wikipedia: "The company was also involved in the manufacture of 6000-10000 (6181 is often quoted) Luger pistols in 1922-24. These 1906 pattern pistols were in 9 mm calibre and part of a contract for the Dutch military. The Lugers are identifiable by the inscription "Vickers Ltd" on the forward toggle link." This makes sense, as it was referred to as a "Holland model" in the show, though I still want help with the details here. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:56, 27 March 2014 (EDT) | ||
:Being from Holland and knowing something about the Luger in Dutch service, I am glad to oblige. From 1911 to 1942 it was used as the official pistol of the Royal Netherlands East Indies Army, the area that is now Indonesia, which was a colony at the time. Being introduced in 1911, it was referred to as the M.11 and it was produced in several locations. In the period 1911~1914 at DWM in Germany, 1919~1928 assembled at Vickers in UK from German parts and from 1929 onwards again at DWM in Germany. For more detailed info, please check the [http://www.collectie.legermuseum.nl/asp/page.asp?alias=strategion&view=strategion&id=i001879&show=detail&priref=44285&collection=mediatheek&q= M.11 page on the website of the Dutch Army Museum], it has excellent info in English (below the Dutch) and images. Enjoy! [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 06:29, 28 March 2014 (EDT) | :Being from Holland and knowing something about the Luger in Dutch service, I am glad to oblige. From 1911 to 1942 it was used as the official pistol of the Royal Netherlands East Indies Army, the area that is now Indonesia, which was a colony at the time. Being introduced in 1911, it was referred to as the M.11 and it was produced in several locations. In the period 1911~1914 at DWM in Germany, 1919~1928 assembled at Vickers in UK from German parts and from 1929 onwards again at DWM in Germany. For more detailed info, please check the [http://www.collectie.legermuseum.nl/asp/page.asp?alias=strategion&view=strategion&id=i001879&show=detail&priref=44285&collection=mediatheek&q= M.11 page on the website of the Dutch Army Museum], it has excellent info in English (below the Dutch) and images. Enjoy! [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 06:29, 28 March 2014 (EDT) | ||
== Luger Lp 08,Glock's ancestor? == | |||
::Hey,fellas!I've been thinkin'recently about something.The Luger LP08 looks to me like an ancient Glock.Why?Simply because it seemed so modern for that time.I mean,a mag which holds 30 9x19 mm rounds,a nice grip, a heavy barrel which compensates the recoil....They all seem like a Glock concept to me.Please tell me what you think about this idea.--[[User:VLAD M|VLAD M]] ([[User talk:VLAD M|talk]]) 07:03, 19 March 2016 (EDT) | |||
[[Image:Luger-P08ArtilleryWDrum.jpg|thumb|center|500px|Luger LP08 "Artillery" model with the rare ''Trommelmagazin 08'' snail drum magazine compatible with the [[Bergmann MP18]] submachine gun - 9x19mm]] | |||
Aside from the grip angle and the fact they're both chambered in 9mm Para, I don't think there's much similarity at all. The LP-08 was more of a PDW for artillery crews, and a Glock is... a handgun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 19:15, 19 March 2016 (EDT) | |||
==P04 vs "P08 Marine"== | |||
As far as I can tell, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXFOyn141jY and if I'm reading into this correctly], the "P08 Marine" is a misnomer, and that pattern (6" barrel, that rear sight) is simply the P04, and gets mistakenly grouped under the P08 name (as with the LP08). Thoughts? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 23:31, 27 May 2018 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 05:35, 6 November 2023
Additional Images
Other Luger Variants
Blank-Firing and Less-Lethal Variants
Airsoft/Non-Firing Variants
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Discussion
Do you want to take down the picture of the black luger since we know have MPM2008's images on the page?--Alienqueen11 02:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
- Sure. That should be policy. -MT2008 04:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
I can think of another movie with the Luger, that is The Land That Time Forgot. Also the Bergman MP-18 is in that movie (anachronistic because the movie is set in 1916 while the U.S. is still "neutral") as well as Mauser 98 rifles and a Webley revolver.
Has a Luger Carbine ever been used in a movie? David.
Found my own answer. Dan Duryea used one in "Balls of Fire"(1941). David.
.45 Luger Pistol
I have found a picture of the famous Luger Pistol chambered in .45 ACP from 1908. It is the only known .45 Luger to still exist today. The other pistol, Serial No. 1, was used in the 1908 pistol test in which it was tested along-side the Colt M1905 Pistol. The original was thrown away after the tests and the other remaning Lugers were either lost or destroyed. This .45 Luger Pistol remains the last of its kind to this day. - Kilgore
- Actually, I remember hearing about a gunsmith who was handcrafting a limited number (around one hundred) of .45 Lugers according to original specifications. However, the high price tags ($10,000-$100,000) meant that the Lugers were more pieces of jewelry than weapons. -Anonymous
- That may be very expensive just for a reproduction, but compare that to the original .45 Luger, which was recently valued at more than $1 Million. - Kilgore
They also made a .45 ACP carbine, link: http://www.weaponscache.com/forum/pistols/2171-worlds-most-expensive-handgun-45-acp-luger-carbine.html
David.
- Actually, the famous "million dollar Luger" sold for that in 1989, in a private sale to an Indonesian businessman (who, incidentally, was not a gun collector and probably overpaid). It went up in auction back in March of this year and sold for $494,500. Combination of the economic climate in the 80s (remember "Greed is good"?) compared to today's recession, and the fact that the provenance of that particular gun is actually somewhat shaky. It's definately a real 1907 .45 Luger but there's real doubt as to whether it's actually one of the US army test guns. DWM made a few .45 prototypes for the commercial market as well before deciding there wasn't a market for it. The idea that there's only one survivor isn't accurate, serial # 2,4,7 are known, as well as the carbine, the authenticity of which is questionned. - Nyles
- What I can't exactly understand is why there wasn't a market. I mean, Lugers were popular, .45 ACP was popular, why wouldn't a combination of the 2 be popular as well? Did the target markets just not overlap? I mean, you offer a gun owner or collector a freshly-produced .45 Luger today and they'll probably cream their jeans. So, what gives? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 09:03, 22 January 2017 (EST)
- Actually, the famous "million dollar Luger" sold for that in 1989, in a private sale to an Indonesian businessman (who, incidentally, was not a gun collector and probably overpaid). It went up in auction back in March of this year and sold for $494,500. Combination of the economic climate in the 80s (remember "Greed is good"?) compared to today's recession, and the fact that the provenance of that particular gun is actually somewhat shaky. It's definately a real 1907 .45 Luger but there's real doubt as to whether it's actually one of the US army test guns. DWM made a few .45 prototypes for the commercial market as well before deciding there wasn't a market for it. The idea that there's only one survivor isn't accurate, serial # 2,4,7 are known, as well as the carbine, the authenticity of which is questionned. - Nyles
Gold-plated Lugers in movies
I seem to remember a scene from an old science-fiction/monster movie, maybe from the fifties or sixties, name unknown, in which a gold-plated Luger with the snail-drum mounted (also gold-plated) figured prominently towards the end. I had thought it was "The Day The World Ended" - I'm pretty sure it was that sort of "post-apocalyptic" plot-line, with mutated humans, etc. - but that was in b&w, while the flick I'm thinking of had to be in color, or the "golden" Luger would never have been noticeable.
Unfortunately, I saw it so long ago (early seventies) that I can't recall anything else about it and have never seen it since.
Does anyone recognize that extremely-vague description?
In the 60s, "The Day the World Ended" was remade for television as "In the Year 2889" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060536/ . I haven't seen it since the 60s, but I do remember the hero using a Luger with a drum magazine at the end. Don't remember if it was gold, or not, we had a b&w tv set at the time. David.
- Well if you all checked IMDB, then you would know that the movie was indeed COLOR, not black & white. :) So it is possible, though I myself have never seen that movie. Even on MST3K ;D MoviePropMaster2008
If you had read what I wrote, then you would see that I did not say that the movie was in black & white. I said that at the time we only owned a black & white tv set. I know that the movie was in color because it was one of a series of Roger Corman movies that American International hired Larry Buchanan to remake for syndication to tv stations. They were having trouble syndicating the originals because they were in Black & White. David.
I just watched it on Comet TV. The Luger has a shinny finish, but as the scene was filmed day-for-night, I couldn't tell if it was gold plated, or chrome plated. The drum magazine seemed to have the same finish on it.--Krel (talk) 00:49, 23 April 2016 (EDT)
Luger there a nickel-plated, with the usual snail drum magazine. Captain described him as "special Luger with 30-round magazine." --Slon95 (talk) 08:01, 24 April 2016 (EDT)
P04 or Marine P08
I'm trying to ID the specific variant of the pistol used in High School of the Dead, as it's not the Artillery model which picture on that page is, and I thought I had it pinned as the P04, given the detachable stock, 6 inch barrel, the grove-like features on the round parts of the base of the magazine (which I read are specific to the P04), and most notably the rear sight, but then I saw both the Marine P08 and the P04 on this page, which look almost identical, and now I'm lost. Can someone with better knowledge of this gun's variants help me out? Here's the completely identical manga version of the scene screencapped on that page, simply more detailed, and here's official artwork of Saya with her pistol. EDIT: Looking into the "Vickers Ltd" on it, I found this on Wikipedia: "The company was also involved in the manufacture of 6000-10000 (6181 is often quoted) Luger pistols in 1922-24. These 1906 pattern pistols were in 9 mm calibre and part of a contract for the Dutch military. The Lugers are identifiable by the inscription "Vickers Ltd" on the forward toggle link." This makes sense, as it was referred to as a "Holland model" in the show, though I still want help with the details here. Alex T Snow (talk) 17:56, 27 March 2014 (EDT)
- Being from Holland and knowing something about the Luger in Dutch service, I am glad to oblige. From 1911 to 1942 it was used as the official pistol of the Royal Netherlands East Indies Army, the area that is now Indonesia, which was a colony at the time. Being introduced in 1911, it was referred to as the M.11 and it was produced in several locations. In the period 1911~1914 at DWM in Germany, 1919~1928 assembled at Vickers in UK from German parts and from 1929 onwards again at DWM in Germany. For more detailed info, please check the M.11 page on the website of the Dutch Army Museum, it has excellent info in English (below the Dutch) and images. Enjoy! PeeWee055 (talk) 06:29, 28 March 2014 (EDT)
Luger Lp 08,Glock's ancestor?
- Hey,fellas!I've been thinkin'recently about something.The Luger LP08 looks to me like an ancient Glock.Why?Simply because it seemed so modern for that time.I mean,a mag which holds 30 9x19 mm rounds,a nice grip, a heavy barrel which compensates the recoil....They all seem like a Glock concept to me.Please tell me what you think about this idea.--VLAD M (talk) 07:03, 19 March 2016 (EDT)
Aside from the grip angle and the fact they're both chambered in 9mm Para, I don't think there's much similarity at all. The LP-08 was more of a PDW for artillery crews, and a Glock is... a handgun. --Funkychinaman (talk) 19:15, 19 March 2016 (EDT)
P04 vs "P08 Marine"
As far as I can tell, and if I'm reading into this correctly, the "P08 Marine" is a misnomer, and that pattern (6" barrel, that rear sight) is simply the P04, and gets mistakenly grouped under the P08 name (as with the LP08). Thoughts? Alex T Snow (talk) 23:31, 27 May 2018 (EDT)