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[[Image:24-Ep820 Sc2042 0088.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Production image of Dana Walsh holding the suppressed SW99.]] | |||
[[Image:24-Ep821 Sc2106 0043.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Publicity image of [[Michael Madsen]] as Ricker with the pistol.]] | |||
[[Image:Barrett98B.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Cole takes aim with the Barrett 98B.]] | |||
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[[Image:24m4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A production image of several members of the CTU SWAT team with M4s with flashlights and some type of camo. Inside a van in Episode 10.]] | |||
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I don't think Sergei's gun is a Beretta Cougar. It looks too small. The best idea I have is that it's a Beretta Jetfire. But I'm not positive. Any thoughts? --[[User:Mormonpowerranger521|Mormonpowerranger521]] | I don't think Sergei's gun is a Beretta Cougar. It looks too small. The best idea I have is that it's a Beretta Jetfire. But I'm not positive. Any thoughts? --[[User:Mormonpowerranger521|Mormonpowerranger521]] | ||
[[Image:24S8 56.jpg|thumb| | [[Image:24S8 56.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Note how his finger curves over the trigger guard, indicating a small trigger guard, and therefore, small gun.]] | ||
[[Image:Beretta950BSJetfire.jpg|thumb| | [[Image:Beretta950BSJetfire.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 950BS Jetfire - .25 ACP.]] | ||
:If it were a Beretta Jetfire, then Sergei would not rack the slide to chamber a round. The Jetfire has a tip-up barrel that allows the shooter to directly insert a round into the barrel. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] ([[User talk:L.J. Gibbs|talk]]) 13:48, 2 January 2015 (EST) | |||
== Rickers Warrior == | |||
In episode 23 when they show ricker seeing Cole they show his kimber warrior well it doesn't have those red grips in the picture it has the newer warriors white grips i think its a continuity error but I'm not sure its a pretty good view though--[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 18:13, 1 October 2012 (EDT) | |||
== Hypothetical thought == | |||
At this moment, I'm watching 24 again on Netflix and it made me think about the ending of Season 8. By the end of the season, it's clear to the viewer that neither Jack Bauer or Allison Taylor are the 'heroes' they think they are/were. If Allison Taylor gets her way, the death of President Hassan will be covered up, but her policies and sanctions or what not will go into place-yay America, but a man's death will be hidden away forever. On the other hand, if Jack Bauer gets his way and exacts the revenge that's haunted him for years at this point (further solidified by the death of Renee-SPOILER ALERT), then the Russian Federation would declare war on the United States and plunge the world into a Third World War. It just got me thinking; I would have loved to have seen Jack's revenge realized. While I understand the show didn't end that way, it was completely plausible it could have at one point. It would have been interesting to hear a personal narrative from Jack Bauer in which he expresses the regrets for his actions as the world is engulfed in the flames of war. Just an interesting idea. For a while, when the show was on, it was exciting to think that the series could have ended that way. What's worse to think about, that yes while Logan ended up killing himself, Suvarov, the main antagonist, and a person Jack believed to be a friend, or at least acquaintance since the events of an earlier season, escapes unsheathed and unharmed while the Middle East is left in turmoil after Hassan's death. [[User:Miyazawa|Miyazawa]] ([[User talk:Miyazawa|talk]]) 04:03, 13 November 2012 (EST)Miyazawa | |||
:They were kicking around the idea of a movie to wrap everything up, weren't they? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 09:47, 13 November 2012 (EST) | |||
:Last I heard that was the word, but I don't know how that's going at the moment [[User:Miyazawa|Miyazawa]] ([[User talk:Miyazawa|talk]]) 02:20, 14 November 2012 (EST)Miyazawa | |||
Latest revision as of 18:48, 2 January 2015
Bazahaev's shotgun
Does anybody know what kind of shotgun Sergei used on jack? it had a folding stock SPAS 12 style but the action was all wrong. 65.29.239.251 05:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
My guess is a Remington 870 with folding stock and extended magazine tube. --Crazycrankle 14:29, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
No, I'm pretty sure it was a SPAS 12. For some reason, Bazahaev chose to cycle it manually. The episode is on Hulu right now if someone want to check it out. --Funkychinaman 21:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm siding with Crazycrankle on this one. The stock did look like it came off of a SPAS-12, but the rest of the gun looked nothing like a Spas to me. --Clutch 21:46, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
I uploaded two screenshots I grabbed from Hulu. (I hope that's okay from a legal standpoint. If it's not, I apologize.)It's a bit dark, and the images are a bit blurry, but I'm not really sure anymore. --Funkychinaman 23:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
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![[1]](http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:24_shotgun1.jpg){kind=link}
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![[2]](http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:24_shotgun2.jpg){kind=link}
Notice the differences/similarities. Looks like a SPAS-12 stock, and a 870 everything else. The whole design of the SPAS-12 is rather unique in my mind, this looks rather generic. The images are rather low quality, apologies. --Crazycrankle 05:00, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
...But ...That doesn't even look close to a SPAS-12 stock. It has neither the squared-off buttpad, nor the holes in the sides of the strut. It looks like a run-o'-the-mill 870 Police folding stock...--PistolJunkie 05:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Heh, I was looking at the top of the stock, not the sides. Oops, but oh well. Unmodified 870 folder it is. --Crazycrankle 05:21, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Wow, those shots are pretty clear. Well, that clinches it. Remington 870 it is. --Funkychinaman 05:40, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Can somebody add those pictures to the article, secttion where he uses the gun.
Additional Screenshots
Sergei's guard
One of the guards that kidnapped Jack had what looked like an HK MP5k, but I never saw a paddle mag release so i'm thinking SP89 mocked up? 65.29.239.251 05:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
S8 - 1am - 2am
Just watched this episode.
A Small Pistol was hidden in a car along with a handcuff key.
Saw a CTU Agent forced to give up his Glock, standard size model.
Other CTU Agents carried what looked like M933 with foregrips and c-more sights.
Looked like Terrorists were using a similar weapon to the M933.
The small pistol; looks to be a PPK, and their not 933's, just standard M4's. Glock 17's appear to be CTU standard issue so it's safe to assume that's what it was. --Crazycrankle 23:57, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Since when do terrorists use M4s?, they look more like HK416s to me. If they were using M4s, there would have been a report of those assault rifles being stolen from police, FBI, SWAT, CTU etc.
You think they care that much in this show? This is the same show that had them tracking a nuclear missle only to lose it somewhere "in the mountains of iowa"
Coral Snake commandoes are basically a corrupt US army group and M4s were issued to them.
That's not the point he's trying to make.
Trivia: I think it was kinda bullcrap that Tarin Faroush manages to kill four NYPD ESU officers with a pistol even though they were wearing body armour. That is unless the pistol is loaded with armour piercing rounds.
-The most reasonable reason explination is that contrary to popular belief as well SWAT teams don't wear the same level of body armour as Soldiers. Beyond the level of Kevlar that SWAT vests have, they do not carry ceramic ballistic plates seen in standered infantry body armour. Also the Caliber and type of bullet that Faroush had in his USP or MK23 plays a difference. Most Kevlar can stop 9mm holopoint rounds, but it is more difficult to stop 9mm rounds that are not holopoints such as FMJ rounds or Full Metal Jackets. Unlike holopoint rounds which mushrooms up on impact preventing any further penetration into the body, FMJ rounds continue to travel through the body untill it is slowed down after going through or punctering vital organs. That means FMJs will only slow down and maybe stop the round before it penetrates the lair of kevlar and enters the wearers body. Kevlar also has a hard time stoping .45 ACP rounds or anything beyond 9mm unless they have ceramic plates or more layers of Kevlar material.-Choi117
-Tarin takes down the three, and they go down instantly. Then his partner makes a few long range shots from the cab and somehow takes him out. Then at the docks jacks standard vest takes like 6 5.56mm rounds and hes still alive. Oh well, weve seen jack take down about 100 guys in bodyarmor with his pistol so far.
- Television is not a good place to be shooting people in the head neither is the realism of how strong there Kevlar is or even where they got shot. Jack Bauer is the kind of guy that wears his body armor outside his clothing more visible then SWAT teams. Seems like ever since 24 has switched directors the realism levels have gone down. -HKFan 23:07, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Can anyone do anything about the IP who keeps deleting things? 190.6.150.53
--Crazycrankle 04:54, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Okay for now?
Hulu grabs are cool, right? In the legal sense? At least until the DVDs come out?--Funkychinaman 22:55, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Taurus Judge, are you serious?
Jack has like a full mag in the USP and pulls this little snubby, just as an excuse to use it on screen. The judge sucks, as a gun it doesnt deserve a breath of life....
- The Taurus Judge can fire .4410 shot shell rounds and .45 colt rounds it's not exactly a little snubby considering in has a 2 inch long cylinder but it's obvious that most audiences wouldn't know what round the gun fires or why he would use it. I think the new director of 24 "Michael Klick" sucks at weaponry I realized that Dana's suppressed SW99 jammed and was still firing in a split screen scene near the end of episode 20. -- HKFan 14:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
well also the new director threw realism to the wind, now pistols drop everyone in a single round, even people wearing body armor like a SWAT team. I also love how anybody but the main characters is useless in a fight
TPTB missed a perfectly good chance to use the revolver when Jack was threatening to kill Dana if she didn't get the video from the safety deposit box. Instead of pressing the USP into her chest and threatening to pull the trigger, he should've pulled out the revolver, dumped out all but one round, and told her she'd get no more than five chances to say no to him. --Funkychinaman 22:45, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Ok he pulled out the Revolver cause of the bigger bullet it has would be better for the close quarter situation he was about to go in. So bro shut the fuck up. 24guns 20:29, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
I think we get the point we just want talk more about the gun. There's no need for the excessive language unless your making a movie quote. Please add username and date for example: "24guns 20:29, 1 July 2010 (UTC)" if you want to make a point it's not my job to do it for you. HKFan 19:20, 2 July (UTC)
Jack always manages to get a USP compact lol
You notice that the guy who meets jack in the beginning brings him a USP compact, then there happens to be one usp sitting alone in the CTU armory, and when he hijacks the chopper later the agent escorting him convienently has a USP compact for him to steal.
I also noticed in the entire series that most CTUs prefer a Glock or SIG, there's very little of them who use a Beretta, USP or Smith & Wesson.
Another Gun is Dana's Smith & Wesson SW99. She uses one to escape from CTU, then has another SW99 suppressed in the safety deposit box. It's one of the flaws to 24 which is never explained.
- Well, the safety deposit box is easy, it's HER safety deposit box. She obviously has a preference for SW99s. I don't know why it'd have a suppressor already attached in the safety deposit box though. You'd think it'd be easier to sneak out of the bank without it attached. --funkychinaman 15:47, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
She could have had the suppressor on it in case she needed to be able to shoot someone in there without letting everyone in the bank know. The whole USP Compact thing really bothers me. Especially with the CTU armoury just happening to have one USP Compact amongst the masses of 1911s. Not to mention everyone who Jack takes a gun off of having a USP Compact. It reminds me of season 4 when every character in the first few episodes had the same phone, some of them were different colours but it was the same phone. --cool-breeze 07:33, 8 June 2011 (CDT)
Overused plot device?
And yet another highly trained agent/soldier falls for the old "I replaced the magazine in your pistol with an empty mag but you failed to notice" plot device." Ugh. Just once, I'd like to see someone try that on TV and have the person catch it. "What the hell? Why did you hand me an empty gun?" --Funkychinaman 22:45, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Cole's gun was loaded with blank rounds or dud rounds, you can see them in the magazine, when Jack hands him one with live rounds, so there wouldn't be any weight discrepancies, Cole wouldn't really have any reason to check the gun, as he was trying to make them believe Jack took him hostage, and therefore wanted to keep the gun hidden.--Pølaris 00:10, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- I didn't see the blanks, but isn't it just as contrived for Jack to have a spare magazine (of a gun he's not equipped with) full of blanks? --Funkychinaman 00:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- It is quite absurd, just watched it again, and the mag is empty, it just looked like there was something in it.--Pølaris 00:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- If I were Jack I would have dissassembled the Glock and took out a minor part making the gun inoperable but the audience would probably want Jack handing over a magazine then a unfamiliar gun part. I myself would always do a brass check anytime I get a hold of a gun. -- HKFan 18:13, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
- It is quite absurd, just watched it again, and the mag is empty, it just looked like there was something in it.--Pølaris 00:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Ok HKFan when in the fuck was he gonna take out the firing pin or something especially on a Glock.
Spoilers
Don't you think your reaction is somewhat over the top? You're acting like somebody just insulted your mother or somebody else equally important in your life. I'm pretty sure that imfdb also has a rule about flaming. --Jcordell 16:29, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
-um, not really a spoiler, it was in the preview for next weeks episode, iunless your one of the people who just use hulu....
- That's not a spoiler, it's pretty clearly implied from the preview that Jack Bauer captures Logan after shooting up a convoy of cars. Don't believe me? watch the link: 24 8x22 promo--Markit 04:11, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
How is that not a spoiler? It's information from an episode that hasn't aired, once you see or know about you can't go into the episode unaware because you've been SPOILED. Who's to say everyone watches the previews? When you watch a show on dvd you know what you see after it's over? The credits, not a preview, because that's not a real part of the show, that's some extra shit thrown in for the television airing to maintain or get more ratings next week. There's been many cases where a show's creators have disagreed with a preview that was aired for showing too much. Just because you might have no self control and no problem with spoiling every surprise you can don't assume everyone else does the same.
- It's not a spoiler because it doesn't exactly reveal what the context of the character's actions are, nor what particularly was going to happen. Honestly, if you had watched episode 21, were you going to be very surprised that Jack was going after Logan? You must be annoyed by any sort of trailer then, because they always reveal all sorts of juicy moments-EXCEPT they are revealed without knowing the specific plot elements which in themselves may be surprising. Sure, previews sometimes spell out more plot information than they should, but a preview is as much a real part of the show as the credits are, because like featurettes or interviews, it is ultimately tied to the network's overall efforts to promote the show to the audience. If we were to ever go by your reasoning, we should never post anything about upcoming shows or movies that we like, simply because they might "spoil" (putting it loosely) a scene that will happen, even if the circumstances leading up to it are completely different from what we expected. Get off your high horse and stop being so condescending- you did not have to tell me to f*ck off on something that any regular watcher of 24 will have expected given all the twists this season has offered.
- "preview is as much a real part of the show as the credits are, because like featurettes or interviews, it is ultimately tied to the network's overall efforts to promote the show to the audience."
- Sounds like a contradiction there to me. Is it a part of the show or a part of the networks efforts to promote it? And yeah, I don't care for trailers that show too much either. Expecting something to happen and knowing it will are two different things. In fact, expecting things to happen and something entirely different happening instead was what 24 was all about before it ended up just repeating the same handful of plot tropes and cliches repeatedly. If I knew what was going to happen in the finale should I just spoil it for everyone because I just assume everyone else expects it to happen?
A conundrum
Okay, so the M14-type rifle that Tokarev used to shoot Renee Walker appeared again. Jack very specifically identified it as a Springfield M1A. I think it's safe to assume Jack, as a trained agent, would know his guns. (And yet still expect fellow agents to fall for the empty gun trick, but still.) Do we list it as a Springfield M1A? Because I'll be honest, I don't know for sure if it's an EBR, I just looked through the M14 page and the EBR came the closest. Someone has already implied that it's not. What do we go with? --funkychinaman 20:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I havent got round to this series yet, Im still only a few into 24 but as i was nosing at all the pretty guns I cant help but wonder why didnt Jack attach the M.A.S.S shotgun to the bottom of his Colt assult rifle. Its more practical, and on a purely personal visual level I think it looks much cooler too - Captain snikt
More dramatic. --Crazycrankle 03:23, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Maybe he didn't have the tools to attach it with. Excalibur01 04:00, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Choice of Guns
Does anyone find it strange that Victor Aruz (Benito Martinez) arrived at Jack's apartment carrying the same H&K USP Compact that Jack used as a CTU Agent? Also, Dana Walsh (Katee Sackhoff) used an SW99 to try and escape from CTU, and also kept another SW99 in her Safety Deposit Box. And finally, Jack uses an FN SCAR-L to take aim at Charles Logan. Not the most suitable weapon for Long Range Shots, and would have seemed more appropriate to keep the Springfield M1A1 from Tokarev. Most likely use of the same prop, but then wouldn't apply for the FN SCAR-L.
Ithaca model 37? are you sure?
I'm pretty sure the shotgun used by Ortiz to break Ricker's door was one of those (relatively) new mossbergs with breacher barrel.
Sergei's handgun
I don't think Sergei's gun is a Beretta Cougar. It looks too small. The best idea I have is that it's a Beretta Jetfire. But I'm not positive. Any thoughts? --Mormonpowerranger521
- If it were a Beretta Jetfire, then Sergei would not rack the slide to chamber a round. The Jetfire has a tip-up barrel that allows the shooter to directly insert a round into the barrel. --L.J. Gibbs (talk) 13:48, 2 January 2015 (EST)
Rickers Warrior
In episode 23 when they show ricker seeing Cole they show his kimber warrior well it doesn't have those red grips in the picture it has the newer warriors white grips i think its a continuity error but I'm not sure its a pretty good view though--Blueboy1600 (talk) 18:13, 1 October 2012 (EDT)
Hypothetical thought
At this moment, I'm watching 24 again on Netflix and it made me think about the ending of Season 8. By the end of the season, it's clear to the viewer that neither Jack Bauer or Allison Taylor are the 'heroes' they think they are/were. If Allison Taylor gets her way, the death of President Hassan will be covered up, but her policies and sanctions or what not will go into place-yay America, but a man's death will be hidden away forever. On the other hand, if Jack Bauer gets his way and exacts the revenge that's haunted him for years at this point (further solidified by the death of Renee-SPOILER ALERT), then the Russian Federation would declare war on the United States and plunge the world into a Third World War. It just got me thinking; I would have loved to have seen Jack's revenge realized. While I understand the show didn't end that way, it was completely plausible it could have at one point. It would have been interesting to hear a personal narrative from Jack Bauer in which he expresses the regrets for his actions as the world is engulfed in the flames of war. Just an interesting idea. For a while, when the show was on, it was exciting to think that the series could have ended that way. What's worse to think about, that yes while Logan ended up killing himself, Suvarov, the main antagonist, and a person Jack believed to be a friend, or at least acquaintance since the events of an earlier season, escapes unsheathed and unharmed while the Middle East is left in turmoil after Hassan's death. Miyazawa (talk) 04:03, 13 November 2012 (EST)Miyazawa
- They were kicking around the idea of a movie to wrap everything up, weren't they? --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:47, 13 November 2012 (EST)
- Last I heard that was the word, but I don't know how that's going at the moment Miyazawa (talk) 02:20, 14 November 2012 (EST)Miyazawa