| Error creating thumbnail: File missing Join our Discord! |
| If you have been locked out of your account you can request a password reset here. |
Talk:Zero Dark Thirty: Difference between revisions
No edit summary |
Commando552 (talk | contribs) (→Machine gun ID: new section) |
||
| (One intermediate revision by one other user not shown) | |||
| Line 69: | Line 69: | ||
[[File:ZD30-Glock-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|The man pulls out a stainless Glock 17.]] | [[File:ZD30-Glock-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|The man pulls out a stainless Glock 17.]] | ||
[[File:ZDK 371.jpg|thumb|none|602px|]] | |||
Looks a lot more like a [[Heckler & Koch USP]] with a Stainless slide to me than a Glock with a Stainless slide. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 07:02, 13 August 2013 (EDT) | Looks a lot more like a [[Heckler & Koch USP]] with a Stainless slide to me than a Glock with a Stainless slide. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 07:02, 13 August 2013 (EDT) | ||
:If you look at the older versions of the image, it's pretty clear there's no hammer. I think it's a Glock. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:15, 13 August 2013 (EDT) | :If you look at the older versions of the image, it's pretty clear there's no hammer. I think it's a Glock. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:15, 13 August 2013 (EDT) | ||
== Machine gun ID == | |||
Although it is barely visible, I think it is seen well enough to determine that the MG carried by the SEALs is not a Mk 48. Firstly, the rounds look like they are the smaller 5.56x45mm ones used in most Minimi variants rather than the larger 7.62x51mm ones used in the Mk 48. Secondly, the belt bag looks too small for the 100 round one used on the Mk 48 but looks exactly like the 100 round one used on 5.56x45mm Minimis. Lastly, it lacks the four sided front rail system of the Mk 48. As to what it is, my guess is that it is an SPW without the folding top heat shield. My reason for thinking this is that if you look at the front sight/gas block you can see that it lacks an adjustable regulator at the front and it doesn't protrude ahead of the front sight post, and as far as I can tell the only Minimi variant that uses such a front sight/gas block is the SPW. I haven't seen this since the cinema so I can't remember, is this the best the gun is ever seen? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:40, 18 February 2014 (EST) | |||
Latest revision as of 01:40, 19 February 2014
Unknowns (updated 03/13)
Would anyone like to make an educated guess on what these weapons are? --Ben41 (talk) 19:50, 24 March 2013 (EDT)
This is a Glock,probably a 17;it looks as though it has night sights,rather than the usualfactory type. The holster is a London Bridge Tactical 0372L, and seems to have the thumbsnap adjusted for a gun slightly larger than the Glock(maybe a SIG)and also doesn't have the rubber "Oring" tab which can also be looped over the rear of the pistol slide. Good catch. The guard in the tower looks to have an M4... Regards, Tecolote March 24,2013
- Zooming in as much as possible, I can barely make out what looks like an O-shaped front site on the weapon in the guard tower and what looks like a belt of rounds being fed from the right side. Other than that, nothing stands out. --DeltaOne (talk) 04:37, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
- Is it feeding from the shooter's right or right side from our perspective? --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:53, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
- Shooter's right side. Spartan198 (talk) 17:45, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
- A PKM then? Not a lot of modern machine guns feed from the right. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:57, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
- The shot could be mirrored for all we know. The entire Camp Chapman sequence was filmed in Jordan, so my guess would be a FN MAG. --Markit (talk) 19:10, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
- The warning sign is not backwards though. --Funkychinaman (talk) 22:28, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
- The shot could be mirrored for all we know. The entire Camp Chapman sequence was filmed in Jordan, so my guess would be a FN MAG. --Markit (talk) 19:10, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
- A PKM then? Not a lot of modern machine guns feed from the right. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:57, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
- Shooter's right side. Spartan198 (talk) 17:45, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
- Is it feeding from the shooter's right or right side from our perspective? --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:53, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
Could be funny if the sign is CGI, then again maybe it is, making or shipping a sign for a really short scene, using a green (or blue) tarp would be easier. No just noticed the tanks are correct way round. --Iceman (talk) 15:22, 28 April 2013 (EDT)
Am thinking that is an Heckler & Koch HK417 in a DMR/sniper configuration. --Charon68 (talk) 00:18, 7 January 2013 (EST)
Looks like it to me. Spartan198 (talk) 11:39, 7 January 2013 (EST)
- Just saw the movie on IMAX last night and I agree that it's gotta be an HK417. ISS appears to have bought a couple of them in the last year (one was used in a recent episode from Season 4 of NCIS: Los Angeles).
- Also, did anyone notice anything strange about the firearms sound effects during the scene where Maya gets ambushed while leaving her house? The AKs and MP5 used in the scene almost seemed to make a "whistling" sound when fired. -MT2008 (talk) 17:04, 12 January 2013 (EST)
- Eh... I've been tempted, but have held off so far. I heard from a friend back in September that a boycott of the movie was spreading among the SEAL teams (and still gaining strength, from my last conversation with her) over the issue of the production team being given classified information about the raid by the CIA and decided to tack myself onto it. I'll probably see the movie eventually, but most likely not until it's on TV. I'm certainly not going to be putting my bucks into its GR. Spartan198 (talk) 17:58, 15 January 2013 (EST)
Title
On another note, what exactly does "Zero Dark Thirty" mean? Spartan198 (talk) 17:59, 15 January 2013 (EST)
"Zero Dark Thirty" refers to the military designation for half past midnight, the time at which, the raid against Osama Bin Laden's compound was launched. On a sidenote, I think you should definitely check the movie out. The scene of the actual raid is one of the most expertly crafted and realistic I've ever seen. Also, as far as I know, the whole "inside information" thing is a myth. - Phalanx
Armed guards at Camp Chapman aren't CIA SAD agents, but Blackwater employees
See this article about the attack on Camp Chapman in 2009.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Chapman_attack
The film didn't portray them as CIA agents either.
RadicalDisconnect (talk) 03:24, 16 January 2013 (EST)
Here's a link to a YouTube video about the film which mentions and shows the HK416s and SIG P226Rs(even though you can't actually see the latter in the film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n55Busgh15Y&feature=player_embedded
Also, I came across a production still whichs shows one of the SEALs with an HK in his holster; holster are made by LBT, by the way...
Regards,
Tecolote March 24,2013
Behind the Scene screen shots
There's a lot of behind the scenes close up of the guns and that all the SEAL actors had P226s as their side arms Excalibur01 (talk) 12:19, 16 April 2013 (EDT)
- Specifically, P226Rs fitted with the short reset trigger. They may have been the newer-model P226 Navy that ISS bought and converted for use in Hawaii Five-0, but I couldn't tell because Dave Fencl didn't show the left side of the gun. -MT2008 (talk) 18:01, 27 April 2013 (EDT)
"Stainless Glock 17"
I don't know about everyone else, but this:
Looks a lot more like a Heckler & Koch USP with a Stainless slide to me than a Glock with a Stainless slide. The Wierd It (talk) 07:02, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
- If you look at the older versions of the image, it's pretty clear there's no hammer. I think it's a Glock. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:15, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
Machine gun ID
Although it is barely visible, I think it is seen well enough to determine that the MG carried by the SEALs is not a Mk 48. Firstly, the rounds look like they are the smaller 5.56x45mm ones used in most Minimi variants rather than the larger 7.62x51mm ones used in the Mk 48. Secondly, the belt bag looks too small for the 100 round one used on the Mk 48 but looks exactly like the 100 round one used on 5.56x45mm Minimis. Lastly, it lacks the four sided front rail system of the Mk 48. As to what it is, my guess is that it is an SPW without the folding top heat shield. My reason for thinking this is that if you look at the front sight/gas block you can see that it lacks an adjustable regulator at the front and it doesn't protrude ahead of the front sight post, and as far as I can tell the only Minimi variant that uses such a front sight/gas block is the SPW. I haven't seen this since the cinema so I can't remember, is this the best the gun is ever seen? --commando552 (talk) 20:40, 18 February 2014 (EST)