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The Colt Lightweight Commander (lower reciever was made out of a lightweight metal alloy) was introduced in 1949.The all steel framed Colt Commander was introduced in 1972 so the film is consistent. Are you certain that they aren't using that version? I will have to check out the movie again to see if the front sight is a Baughman front sight on the revolver used by Dudley. If so then the movie folks screwed up becasue S&W did not start manufacturing the Model 15 with a six inch barrel into the eighties after the Model 14 was discontinued. [[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] | The Colt Lightweight Commander (lower reciever was made out of a lightweight metal alloy) was introduced in 1949.The all steel framed Colt Commander was introduced in 1972 so the film is consistent. Are you certain that they aren't using that version? I will have to check out the movie again to see if the front sight is a Baughman front sight on the revolver used by Dudley. If so then the movie folks screwed up becasue S&W did not start manufacturing the Model 15 with a six inch barrel into the eighties after the Model 14 was discontinued. [[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] | ||
I was basing my assessment of the Commander on what was available in the early '50s when the movie is set, rather than what was available to the movie producers; even if the gun used in the production was a Combat Commander, it would have to represent a Commander. I reviewed the movie again, looking specifically for details of Jack's gun, and I couldn't even be sure it was a Commander. There's no clear shot of the hammer, and I couldn't really tell if the slide was Commander- or Government-length. | |||
Dudley's gun is clearly a 4" Combat Masterpiece; it's seen in profile as he thumb-cocks it to shoot Exley in the Victory Motel. | |||
The gun "dropped" by White is appears to be a .32 Hand Ejector, which was made in a number of sub-models, and in very large numbers in the first half of the 20th Century. It's a six-shot .32, with round-butt frame. | |||
== Yep, It is a S&W Model 15 == | |||
Okay just finished wiping the egg off my face. I swear that all the times I've watched ''LA Confidential'' in the past I always saw James Cromwell using a Model 14 Target Masterpiece with a 6" barrel and Patridge front sights. But I just watched the big shootout again and sure enough it is a Model 15 Combat Masterpiece with a 4" barrel and the Baughman front ramp sight. Not only that but I just noticed that it had the newer style wood target grips on it. Those weren't introduced by S&W until the late seventies and LA Confidential takes place in the early fifties so a whoops there. | |||
I went ahead and changed the photo.[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] | |||
== White's planted revolver == | |||
'''Could this be a Smith & Wesson K-22?''' | |||
Officer White plants his backup revolver, a in the hand of rapist Sylvester Fitch ([[Jeff Sanders]]) to make his murder look like self-defense. Nite Owl suspect Ty Jones ([[Kareem Washington]]) grabs a Model 10 to try and defend himself from Exley and Carlisle during their raid. | |||
[[Image:LAC-Jones-rev.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jones ([[Kareem Washington]]) reaches for his revolver.]] | |||
[[Image:LAC-Bud-bkp.jpg|thumb|none|600px|White places a revolver with pre-taped trigger and grip in Fitch's hand.]] --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 19:53, 15 February 2010 (UTC) | |||
Agree that the "Jones" gun is a K-frame, probably Military & Police .38. | |||
The "Fitch" gun, is still, in my opinion, much too small to be a K, and is likely a 6-shot .32. | |||
==Add'l== | |||
[[Image:LAC-BruCar-shot3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Carlisle ([[Michael McCleery]]) lies dead with his Ithaca 37 next to him.]] | |||
== The Two Man Shooter Teams == | |||
I know they are never really seen clearly but, any clue what the "Two Man Shooters" use? You get the impression at the beginning it is some sort of automatic weapon (M2 Carbine). --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 22:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
You are right. They aren't clear,but I always figured they were using the [[Reising Submachine Gun]]. That model was actually used by the L.A.P.D. for many years after WW II and the bad guys were pretty arrogant. I couls see them using police weapons.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 03:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
What about the Danish Madsen? I could see those as being easy to get. You know like the ones used in the Godfather movies. But I could see them using Reisings or M2 Carbines. Hard to tell but good guesses all around. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:20, 13 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Organizing firearms by type == | |||
I'm just organizing some pages. I'm not changing the text or screencaps, but I'm anal and I am grouping the firearms by type. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Nite Owl Shotguns in Mercury == | |||
The middle shotgun is clearly a takedown Winchester of some sort...from the shape of the stock, I'm guessing an 1897. I have no idea about the one in back. The front one (of which only the stock is visible) does look a bit like a Winchester 12. | |||
== Pilot == | |||
Like I said on the page, IMDB doesn't have all the actors on the page, even those with lines (like the first bank robber.) The credits are no help because there are no credits, opening or closing, not even a title card. So if anyone can recognize any of the uncredited actors, please chime in. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:11, 16 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 18:11, 16 August 2013
I have made some corrections to this page, based on a recent complete viewing, and a half-dozen reviews of specific scenes. Jack's pistol may have been a Commander, but could not have been a Combat Commander, as the latter model was not introduced until 1972. It's likely that the other Colt .45 pistols shown in the movie were commercial Government Models, and not military-issue M1911A1s. The pistol with which Capt. Dudley shoots Jack must be a Colt M1903 Pocket Hammerless, rather than a M1908 as previously posted, as in the squad room, Dudley informs the assembled officers that Jack was killed with a .32 (the '08 is a .380). The gun planted by White is much too small to be a K-frame (previously identified as a Model 10). It's probably a .32, built on a smaller J- or even I-frame. Smith & Wesson introduced model numbers long after the '53 time period in which the movie was set, so a "Model 10" would be correctly identified as a "Military & Police" model. Likewise, the "Model 14" which was previously posted as the type of revolver with which Dudley shot White at the Victory Motel, was actually a Combat Masterpiece, later numbered Model 15. The 15 is readily identified, compared to the 14, by its Baughman ramp front sight; the 14 had a patridge front sight, as shown in the illustration.
- Jack's pistol may have been a Commander, but could not have been a Combat Commander, as the latter model was not introduced until 1972.
- Right, but the MOVIE was made in 1996-97, so isn't that irrelevant? -MT2008 20:28, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
The Colt Lightweight Commander (lower reciever was made out of a lightweight metal alloy) was introduced in 1949.The all steel framed Colt Commander was introduced in 1972 so the film is consistent. Are you certain that they aren't using that version? I will have to check out the movie again to see if the front sight is a Baughman front sight on the revolver used by Dudley. If so then the movie folks screwed up becasue S&W did not start manufacturing the Model 15 with a six inch barrel into the eighties after the Model 14 was discontinued. Jcordell
I was basing my assessment of the Commander on what was available in the early '50s when the movie is set, rather than what was available to the movie producers; even if the gun used in the production was a Combat Commander, it would have to represent a Commander. I reviewed the movie again, looking specifically for details of Jack's gun, and I couldn't even be sure it was a Commander. There's no clear shot of the hammer, and I couldn't really tell if the slide was Commander- or Government-length. Dudley's gun is clearly a 4" Combat Masterpiece; it's seen in profile as he thumb-cocks it to shoot Exley in the Victory Motel. The gun "dropped" by White is appears to be a .32 Hand Ejector, which was made in a number of sub-models, and in very large numbers in the first half of the 20th Century. It's a six-shot .32, with round-butt frame.
Yep, It is a S&W Model 15
Okay just finished wiping the egg off my face. I swear that all the times I've watched LA Confidential in the past I always saw James Cromwell using a Model 14 Target Masterpiece with a 6" barrel and Patridge front sights. But I just watched the big shootout again and sure enough it is a Model 15 Combat Masterpiece with a 4" barrel and the Baughman front ramp sight. Not only that but I just noticed that it had the newer style wood target grips on it. Those weren't introduced by S&W until the late seventies and LA Confidential takes place in the early fifties so a whoops there.
I went ahead and changed the photo.Jcordell
White's planted revolver
Could this be a Smith & Wesson K-22?
Officer White plants his backup revolver, a in the hand of rapist Sylvester Fitch (Jeff Sanders) to make his murder look like self-defense. Nite Owl suspect Ty Jones (Kareem Washington) grabs a Model 10 to try and defend himself from Exley and Carlisle during their raid.
--Ben41 19:53, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Agree that the "Jones" gun is a K-frame, probably Military & Police .38.
The "Fitch" gun, is still, in my opinion, much too small to be a K, and is likely a 6-shot .32.
Add'l
The Two Man Shooter Teams
I know they are never really seen clearly but, any clue what the "Two Man Shooters" use? You get the impression at the beginning it is some sort of automatic weapon (M2 Carbine). --Charon68 22:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
You are right. They aren't clear,but I always figured they were using the Reising Submachine Gun. That model was actually used by the L.A.P.D. for many years after WW II and the bad guys were pretty arrogant. I couls see them using police weapons.--Jcordell 03:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
What about the Danish Madsen? I could see those as being easy to get. You know like the ones used in the Godfather movies. But I could see them using Reisings or M2 Carbines. Hard to tell but good guesses all around. GaBoy45 17:20, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Organizing firearms by type
I'm just organizing some pages. I'm not changing the text or screencaps, but I'm anal and I am grouping the firearms by type. --Jcordell 21:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Nite Owl Shotguns in Mercury
The middle shotgun is clearly a takedown Winchester of some sort...from the shape of the stock, I'm guessing an 1897. I have no idea about the one in back. The front one (of which only the stock is visible) does look a bit like a Winchester 12.
Pilot
Like I said on the page, IMDB doesn't have all the actors on the page, even those with lines (like the first bank robber.) The credits are no help because there are no credits, opening or closing, not even a title card. So if anyone can recognize any of the uncredited actors, please chime in. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:11, 16 August 2013 (EDT)