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:::I think it is a poorly worded sentence that actually refers to the release date of the USP45 and not the HK45. As the sentence reads "The HK45 was developed as a product improvement of the highly regarded USP45, first released in the 1995." While it could mean that the HK45 was released that year, it most likely means that it is an improvement over the gun released that year. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 06:21, 23 January 2012 (CST) | :::I think it is a poorly worded sentence that actually refers to the release date of the USP45 and not the HK45. As the sentence reads "The HK45 was developed as a product improvement of the highly regarded USP45, first released in the 1995." While it could mean that the HK45 was released that year, it most likely means that it is an improvement over the gun released that year. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 06:21, 23 January 2012 (CST) | ||
::::It IS a poorly worded sentence. The HK45 did NOT exist back in 1995. It was the USP45 that was first released in 1995. the HK45 replaced that gun in 2005. Hell the one pic I got of the screen used gun for [[Book of Eli, The]] was one of the earliest ones in Hollywood Inventory... [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:35, 23 January 2012 (CST) | |||
:::::Well [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] is the expert here so I will GLADLY defer to him. Any one who has a better source of when the gun was actually introduced, please correct my mistake. Thanks. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 22:51, 23 January 2012 (CST) | |||
The HK45 was made specifically for the Joint Combat Pistol Program which ran from 2005-2006, so the HK45 was first produced in 2005.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 06:52, 23 January 2012 (CST) | |||
:That sounds better. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:10, 23 January 2012 (CST) | |||
== G28 == | |||
Any further information on this? The only things I have heard are that it is the new German DMR and that, the weight is something like seventeen pounds. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:33, 18 February 2012 (CST) | |||
:Google "G28 DMR" for lots of pics. It's based on the HK417, and seems to be the German Army's Mk11/M110. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:37, 19 February 2012 (CST) | |||
My guess is that it isn't going to be well liked. They seem to have gone for a hybrid between a DMR and a sniper rifle. For something shooting out of a 16.5" barrel the scope is ridiculous, being up to x20 magnification while something like x6-8 is fine for DM work. The length of it means that if you have the night vision device mounted in front it is all the way at the front of the rifle meaning a long rail is needed and generally making for a very front heavy and cumbersome weapon. Loaded with optics this thing weighs 17.4 lbs, and when you compare it to comparable weapons like the new British L129A1 which weighs about 11 lbs, this is just too heavy, and cumbersome looking to boot. I think they have tried to make a sniper rifle/DMR hybrid and don't think it will do great as either. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:26, 19 February 2012 (CST) | |||
On their website they state its 5800 grams I did the math and it equals 12.78 pounds so the source must have been incorret | |||
:17.4lbs is when it is loaded and with issued accessories. 5800g is the weapon, 1250g for the sight, 150g for empty mag, and 500g for 20 rounds of 7.62 which comes to 7700g which is about 17lbs. Maybe the rest is the bipod, or mounts or something. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:26, 10 August 2012 (CDT) | |||
:: It's just the way you worded your opinion made it sound like the 11 lbs L129A1 and the 17.4 lbs G28 were the same, when that G28 weight included 4.6 lbs of stuff on it. I do agree that 12.78 lbs is still rather heavy for the rifle, but it would appear that for what the German Army wanted. Had they wanted a lighter rifle they could have just continued to use the G27, which was a stock HK417 that with a 16 inch barrel and weighs 10.16 lbs, but they wanted improved accuracy while maintaining the modularity that the HK417 offered which resulted in a weapon that ends up with a greater overall weight. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 15:54, 10 August 2012 (CDT) | |||
Well i thought charon was talking 17 lbs for the weapon and I can't see the German army getting a gun with all those problems they wouldn't have gotten it unless it met their standards we need more information on the weapon before deciding its worth. | |||
== G11 == | |||
Come on guys the project was not cancelled and there were 3 variants (G11K1 ,ACR and G11K2) avialable for purchase after the project was successfully completed in 1991, just no one purchased it. In addition to that there were only '''256''' G11s made (including all prototypes stages) so these 1000 were never made also the project started in 1968 and ended in 1991 successfully. All this information you can read in books why do you write such stuff? ( "Die G11-Story - Die Entwicklungsgeschichte einer High-Tech-Waffe" by Wolfgang Seel in german but the most complete book about the development, testing and adoption of the G11 and there is even a book in '''english''' that contains correct information about the G11 it is the 50th anniversary book from HK "HK History Book" you can find that in their online shop) --[[User:DAN11|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11|talk]]) 13:25, 16 December 2012 (EST) | |||
:You are welcome to update the information on the G11 page but we only list firearms that have appeared in movies. As none of these variants have appeared, there is no need to list them all. Please remember that this is NOT a gun wiki. It is a wiki about firearms that have appeared in film. I encourage you to read the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]]. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] ([[User talk:Zackmann08|talk]]) 16:25, 16 December 2012 (EST) | |||
::I did not want to make this a gun wiki but information that is wrong stays wrong and I thought (and always felt like when I was browsing this site) you want to state at least not wrong information and at least the G11K1/ACR appeared in [[Demolition Man]] and the G11K2 in [[Call of Duty: Black Ops]] (yes the last was no movie but it is listed at this site (and yes I hate referencing to CoD)) so these variants appeared indeed so that I thought that they should be listed. If my thinking or feeling is wrong about this let me know. --[[User:DAN11|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11|talk]]) 16:56, 16 December 2012 (EST) | |||
:::I have responded on your talk page.--[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] ([[User talk:Zackmann08|talk]]) 18:15, 16 December 2012 (EST) | |||
==Pronouncing the Company Name== | |||
I am probably asking a very awkward question, but how would you "properly" pronounce the company's name? Sometimes, several people (including documentary narrators) pronounce it as "Heck-lure & Coke", other people tend to pronounce it as "Heck-lure & Kawch (sounds like the word "conch"), occasionally it's "Heck-lure and Cawh", and rarely, people pronounce it as "Heckler & Cowe-sh" ("owe" pronounced like the word "owe" as in "you owe me money"). - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] ([[User talk:Kenny99|talk]]) 18:13, 12 June 2013 (EDT) | |||
:H&K has always worked for me -[[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]] | |||
::According to the [http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_products/faq.asp company FAQ], it's "coke." And if you really want to get authentic, it's "Heckler UND Koch." --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:05, 13 June 2013 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 16:05, 13 June 2013
Handguns
If anyone would like to adjust the Handguns' table so that the calibers line up with the capacity available for that caliber that would be great. If you don't get what I mean, look at the Heckler & Koch UMP in the Sub-Machine gun category. --Zackmann08 23:07, 23 December 2011 (CST)
:)
I like this idea. While this isn't a wiki, strictly speaking, like it or not, this IS the place people go online to learn stuff about firearms. Alex T Snow 16:26, 17 January 2012 (CST)
- Just to "keep it German," I'm glad that a brand-and-firearms-made-by-that-brand page for Walther has been made too. --Mazryonh 23:55, 17 January 2012 (CST)
Who did this page because im certain the HK45 didnt come out in 1995 --Captain Snikt 20:18, 22 January 2012 (CST)
- I did this page. And according to the Manufacturer of the gun it was "first released in 1995". http://www.hk-usa.com/military_products/hk45_general.asp What makes you "so certain"? --Zackmann08 20:40, 22 January 2012 (CST)
- I think the reason it seems odd is the HK45/P30 seem like "replacements" for the USPs, and the HK45 only came out a couple years after the USP and about the same time as the USP45, while for some reason the 9mm version of the HK45, the P30, didn't come out until 2006. Alex T Snow 20:58, 22 January 2012 (CST)
- I think it is a poorly worded sentence that actually refers to the release date of the USP45 and not the HK45. As the sentence reads "The HK45 was developed as a product improvement of the highly regarded USP45, first released in the 1995." While it could mean that the HK45 was released that year, it most likely means that it is an improvement over the gun released that year. Dover500 06:21, 23 January 2012 (CST)
- It IS a poorly worded sentence. The HK45 did NOT exist back in 1995. It was the USP45 that was first released in 1995. the HK45 replaced that gun in 2005. Hell the one pic I got of the screen used gun for Book of Eli, The was one of the earliest ones in Hollywood Inventory... MoviePropMaster2008 22:35, 23 January 2012 (CST)
- Well MoviePropMaster2008 is the expert here so I will GLADLY defer to him. Any one who has a better source of when the gun was actually introduced, please correct my mistake. Thanks. --Zackmann08 22:51, 23 January 2012 (CST)
The HK45 was made specifically for the Joint Combat Pistol Program which ran from 2005-2006, so the HK45 was first produced in 2005.----JazzBlackBelt-- 06:52, 23 January 2012 (CST)
- That sounds better. Alex T Snow 19:10, 23 January 2012 (CST)
G28
Any further information on this? The only things I have heard are that it is the new German DMR and that, the weight is something like seventeen pounds. --Charon68 23:33, 18 February 2012 (CST)
- Google "G28 DMR" for lots of pics. It's based on the HK417, and seems to be the German Army's Mk11/M110. Alex T Snow 00:37, 19 February 2012 (CST)
My guess is that it isn't going to be well liked. They seem to have gone for a hybrid between a DMR and a sniper rifle. For something shooting out of a 16.5" barrel the scope is ridiculous, being up to x20 magnification while something like x6-8 is fine for DM work. The length of it means that if you have the night vision device mounted in front it is all the way at the front of the rifle meaning a long rail is needed and generally making for a very front heavy and cumbersome weapon. Loaded with optics this thing weighs 17.4 lbs, and when you compare it to comparable weapons like the new British L129A1 which weighs about 11 lbs, this is just too heavy, and cumbersome looking to boot. I think they have tried to make a sniper rifle/DMR hybrid and don't think it will do great as either. --commando552 05:26, 19 February 2012 (CST)
On their website they state its 5800 grams I did the math and it equals 12.78 pounds so the source must have been incorret
- 17.4lbs is when it is loaded and with issued accessories. 5800g is the weapon, 1250g for the sight, 150g for empty mag, and 500g for 20 rounds of 7.62 which comes to 7700g which is about 17lbs. Maybe the rest is the bipod, or mounts or something. --commando552 04:26, 10 August 2012 (CDT)
- It's just the way you worded your opinion made it sound like the 11 lbs L129A1 and the 17.4 lbs G28 were the same, when that G28 weight included 4.6 lbs of stuff on it. I do agree that 12.78 lbs is still rather heavy for the rifle, but it would appear that for what the German Army wanted. Had they wanted a lighter rifle they could have just continued to use the G27, which was a stock HK417 that with a 16 inch barrel and weighs 10.16 lbs, but they wanted improved accuracy while maintaining the modularity that the HK417 offered which resulted in a weapon that ends up with a greater overall weight. Dover500 15:54, 10 August 2012 (CDT)
Well i thought charon was talking 17 lbs for the weapon and I can't see the German army getting a gun with all those problems they wouldn't have gotten it unless it met their standards we need more information on the weapon before deciding its worth.
G11
Come on guys the project was not cancelled and there were 3 variants (G11K1 ,ACR and G11K2) avialable for purchase after the project was successfully completed in 1991, just no one purchased it. In addition to that there were only 256 G11s made (including all prototypes stages) so these 1000 were never made also the project started in 1968 and ended in 1991 successfully. All this information you can read in books why do you write such stuff? ( "Die G11-Story - Die Entwicklungsgeschichte einer High-Tech-Waffe" by Wolfgang Seel in german but the most complete book about the development, testing and adoption of the G11 and there is even a book in english that contains correct information about the G11 it is the 50th anniversary book from HK "HK History Book" you can find that in their online shop) --DAN11 (talk) 13:25, 16 December 2012 (EST)
- You are welcome to update the information on the G11 page but we only list firearms that have appeared in movies. As none of these variants have appeared, there is no need to list them all. Please remember that this is NOT a gun wiki. It is a wiki about firearms that have appeared in film. I encourage you to read the Rules, Standards and Principles. --Zackmann08 (talk) 16:25, 16 December 2012 (EST)
- I did not want to make this a gun wiki but information that is wrong stays wrong and I thought (and always felt like when I was browsing this site) you want to state at least not wrong information and at least the G11K1/ACR appeared in Demolition Man and the G11K2 in Call of Duty: Black Ops (yes the last was no movie but it is listed at this site (and yes I hate referencing to CoD)) so these variants appeared indeed so that I thought that they should be listed. If my thinking or feeling is wrong about this let me know. --DAN11 (talk) 16:56, 16 December 2012 (EST)
- I have responded on your talk page.--Zackmann08 (talk) 18:15, 16 December 2012 (EST)
- I did not want to make this a gun wiki but information that is wrong stays wrong and I thought (and always felt like when I was browsing this site) you want to state at least not wrong information and at least the G11K1/ACR appeared in Demolition Man and the G11K2 in Call of Duty: Black Ops (yes the last was no movie but it is listed at this site (and yes I hate referencing to CoD)) so these variants appeared indeed so that I thought that they should be listed. If my thinking or feeling is wrong about this let me know. --DAN11 (talk) 16:56, 16 December 2012 (EST)
Pronouncing the Company Name
I am probably asking a very awkward question, but how would you "properly" pronounce the company's name? Sometimes, several people (including documentary narrators) pronounce it as "Heck-lure & Coke", other people tend to pronounce it as "Heck-lure & Kawch (sounds like the word "conch"), occasionally it's "Heck-lure and Cawh", and rarely, people pronounce it as "Heckler & Cowe-sh" ("owe" pronounced like the word "owe" as in "you owe me money"). - Kenny99 (talk) 18:13, 12 June 2013 (EDT)
- H&K has always worked for me -Insertjjs
- According to the company FAQ, it's "coke." And if you really want to get authentic, it's "Heckler UND Koch." --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:05, 13 June 2013 (EDT)