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it all really depends on your point of view on what a guns is | it all really depends on your point of view on what a guns is | ||
also if you look on google theres something similar to them- [[User:Big guns 100]]-9:38, 14 February 2011 | also if you look on google theres something similar to them- [[User:Big guns 100]]-9:38, 14 February 2011 | ||
[[Image:Yuan chinese gun.jpg|thumb|none| | [[Image:Yuan chinese gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | ||
theres your roof right there | |||
A "gun" is not a point of view, it's a firearm. It's very simple to define. There has never been a case where those guns are used as man portable devices like the ones in the movie. so there is no PROOF. and my "roof" is just fine. And when I mean proof, I mean a picture of a real life verison of those used in the movie cause no matter how awesome, I've never seen a case of a shoulder fired cannon like the ones in the movie or those attached to poles like spears. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:14, 15 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
That's not a spear, it's just a long pole. That style of weapon is called a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombard_%28weapon%29 hand bombard].--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 04:02, 15 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
Nice research. Do you know if those matchlock shoulder fired cannons existed either? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:54, 15 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
I seem to recall seeing something like it before, but I can't for the life of me remember where. It be good if we could find someone who's more familiar with medieval firearms.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 05:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
::My two cents. Handgonnes (spelled that way) did exist. They were the earliest firearms, just cast metal tubes stuck on the end of poles. The 'handgonner' would tuck the tube underneath his armpit and light the fuse manually. They came out in the 14th century, and were used by Medievel fighters of the time. I have a Teutonic Handgonne in my gun collection (now just a rusty metal tube really and I would NEVER fire it). As for the Matchlocks, you NEVER fired it from the shoulder like in the screenshots. That's ridiculous. Like the Handgonnes (again, correct spelling) the user tucked it under your arm against your body and held it until it fired. The Japanese did use a series of Matchlock firearms (again, I have a Tanegashima Matchlock from the period in my collection, but like many archeological relics, it looks more like rotting junk than a firearm.) Mine was actually dug up from an excavation. | |||
::Here is a link to a reproduction one: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFJqPcEZkmU] | |||
::That being said, I'm not sure I want to delve into Handgonnes and Matchlock guns if that's the only firearms in the movie. For one, we're supposed to specifically IDENTIFY the weapons and not by generic type. That's why movies where the only entry is "an unknown rifle" don't qualify. But then I'm just throwing my two cents in, for whatever it's worth :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:43, 15 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
But were these Handgonnes shooting metal balls the size of your fists? And the Matchlocks in the movie also fired pretty much small cannon balls. When I saw it for the first time, they were using them luck bazookas [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:47, 15 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 14:47, 15 February 2011
No real guns
None of these are real guns unless you have proof they are based off of real guns Excalibur01 22:59, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
it all really depends on your point of view on what a guns is also if you look on google theres something similar to them- User:Big guns 100-9:38, 14 February 2011
theres your roof right there
A "gun" is not a point of view, it's a firearm. It's very simple to define. There has never been a case where those guns are used as man portable devices like the ones in the movie. so there is no PROOF. and my "roof" is just fine. And when I mean proof, I mean a picture of a real life verison of those used in the movie cause no matter how awesome, I've never seen a case of a shoulder fired cannon like the ones in the movie or those attached to poles like spears. Excalibur01 03:14, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
That's not a spear, it's just a long pole. That style of weapon is called a hand bombard.--PistolJunkie 04:02, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Nice research. Do you know if those matchlock shoulder fired cannons existed either? Excalibur01 04:54, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
I seem to recall seeing something like it before, but I can't for the life of me remember where. It be good if we could find someone who's more familiar with medieval firearms.--PistolJunkie 05:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
- My two cents. Handgonnes (spelled that way) did exist. They were the earliest firearms, just cast metal tubes stuck on the end of poles. The 'handgonner' would tuck the tube underneath his armpit and light the fuse manually. They came out in the 14th century, and were used by Medievel fighters of the time. I have a Teutonic Handgonne in my gun collection (now just a rusty metal tube really and I would NEVER fire it). As for the Matchlocks, you NEVER fired it from the shoulder like in the screenshots. That's ridiculous. Like the Handgonnes (again, correct spelling) the user tucked it under your arm against your body and held it until it fired. The Japanese did use a series of Matchlock firearms (again, I have a Tanegashima Matchlock from the period in my collection, but like many archeological relics, it looks more like rotting junk than a firearm.) Mine was actually dug up from an excavation.
- Here is a link to a reproduction one: [1]
- That being said, I'm not sure I want to delve into Handgonnes and Matchlock guns if that's the only firearms in the movie. For one, we're supposed to specifically IDENTIFY the weapons and not by generic type. That's why movies where the only entry is "an unknown rifle" don't qualify. But then I'm just throwing my two cents in, for whatever it's worth :) MoviePropMaster2008 08:43, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
But were these Handgonnes shooting metal balls the size of your fists? And the Matchlocks in the movie also fired pretty much small cannon balls. When I saw it for the first time, they were using them luck bazookas Excalibur01 14:47, 15 February 2011 (UTC)