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I'm going to screencap this when i get the DVD.-Oliveira 17:42, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Not anymore. Uzi is screencapping it. He will probably do a better job than me.-Oliveira 02:12, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Continuity errors

This movie has so many gun-related continuity errors that it's ridiculous. Glocks becoming Berettas and SIGs, Micro Uzis becoming TEC-9s, etc. -MT2008

You'd think that it would be relatively simple for directors or the like to put a small bit of tape or a sticker on the gun grip, with the name of the actor who's supposed to be using that specific written on the sticker or other adhesive label, so that confusion about "which gun should I be using throughout this scene?" would be reduced, if not eliminated. I have to wonder how they got eight shots out of a six-shot revolver though--was it different takes with reloads, and then splicing the two together via film editing? --Mazryonh 18:31, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I have to wonder how they got eight shots out of a six-shot revolver though--was it different takes with reloads, and then splicing the two together via film editing?

Yep. Any time you see an actor fire more shots from a gun than it can hold in real life, it's because they edit together multiple takes, in which the gun was reloaded between takes. This is why actors can seem to fire on full-auto for 10-15 seconds without reloading their 30-round magazine (which should run dry in 3 seconds). -MT2008 02:06, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, but I still think it wouldn't be much of a problem to put a small adhesive label (with the actor's name on it) on the front of the gun's grip for reference and reminders as to who should be using this gun when the cameras are rolling, and no one else EXCEPT when the script calls for it. The front of the grip is the part that is almost always obscured from view by the actor's fingers or the holster the gun is in, so it'd be relatively easy to conceal from the view of the audience.

Then again, this was the first film by the Hughes brothers, a somewhat low-budget affair. Even so, I'm sure people like you and MPM2008 could make a reference of sorts for gun-using actors and background performers everywhere on how to convincingly act with a gun, including proper grip, stance, and firearms safety which most shooters would know. "Don't end up or make someone else end up like Brandon Lee--NEVER point a blank-firing prop gun actually at a person and always ensure the barrel has been cleaned previously!" --Mazryonh 04:16, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

The continuity errors regarding the guns can happen for many reasons; MPM had a topic about this in the forum. For instance, we've pointed out that Ilena's cousin goes from using a Micro Uzi to a TEC-9 in the drive-by. The reason for this is most likely that the drive-by scene was filmed with the TEC-9, but the takes where they load the guns in the car and then stick them out the window were probably filmed later. Another armorer may have been present on-set for the filming, and he didn't happen to have a TEC-9 in inventory when this part was filmed. Or, the property master (or their assistants) may not have known anything about guns and may have requested the wrong weapon. The lower the film budget, the less time available for filming and continuity control, and they're not going to avoid filming an entire scene just because the armorer didn't have a particular gun that was used to film another scene, or because the property department screwed up and requested the wrong gun. After all, unless the gun is really important to the story, they don't expect that the average moviegoer is going to notice or care. -MT2008 15:25, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Blu Ray

This movie finally got released on Blu Ray, so I have finally given it the higher-definition screenshot treatment. How's it look now? -MT2008

Looks great, Mac.--Oliveira 16:28, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

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 This movie has so many gun-related continuity errors that it's ridiculous.  Glocks becoming Berettas and SIGs, Micro Uzis becoming TEC-9s, etc. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
+You'd think that it would be relatively simple for directors or the like to put a small bit of tape or a sticker on the gun grip,  with the name of the actor who's supposed to be using that specific written on the sticker or other adhesive label, so that confusion about "which gun should I be using throughout this scene?" would be reduced, if not eliminated. I have to wonder how they got eight shots out of a six-shot revolver though--was it different takes with reloads, and then splicing the two together via film editing? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 18:31, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
+:''I have to wonder how they got eight shots out of a six-shot revolver though--was it different takes with reloads, and then splicing the two together via film editing?''
+:Yep.  Any time you see an actor fire more shots from a gun than it can hold in real life, it's because they edit together multiple takes, in which the gun was reloaded between takes.  This is why actors can seem to fire on full-auto for 10-15 seconds without reloading their 30-round magazine (which should run dry in 3 seconds). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:06, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
+Thanks for the info, but I still think it wouldn't be much of a problem to put a small adhesive label (with the actor's name on it) on the front of the gun's grip for reference and reminders as to who should be using this gun when the cameras are rolling, and no one else EXCEPT when the script calls for it. The front of the grip is the part that is almost always obscured from view by the actor's fingers or the holster the gun is in, so it'd be relatively easy to conceal from the view of the audience.
+Then again, this ''was'' the first film by the Hughes brothers, a somewhat low-budget affair. Even so, I'm sure people like you and MPM2008 could make a reference of sorts for gun-using actors and background performers everywhere on how to convincingly act with a gun, including proper grip, stance, and firearms safety which most shooters would know. "Don't end up or make someone else end up like Brandon Lee--NEVER point a blank-firing prop gun actually at a person and always ensure the barrel has been cleaned previously!" --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 04:16, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
+:The continuity errors regarding the guns can happen for many reasons; MPM had a topic about this in the forum.  For instance, we've pointed out that Ilena's cousin goes from using a Micro Uzi to a TEC-9 in the drive-by.  The reason for this is most likely that the drive-by scene was filmed with the TEC-9, but the takes where they load the guns in the car and then stick them out the window were probably filmed ''later''.  Another armorer may have been present on-set for the filming, and he didn't happen to have a TEC-9 in inventory when this part was filmed.  Or, the property master (or their assistants) may not have known anything about guns and may have requested the wrong weapon.  The lower the film budget, the less time available for filming and continuity control, and they're not going to avoid filming an entire scene just because the armorer didn't have a particular gun that was used to film another scene, or because the property department screwed up and requested the wrong gun.  After all, unless the gun is really important to the story, they don't expect that the average moviegoer is going to notice or care. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:25, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
+==Blu Ray==
+This movie finally got released on Blu Ray, so I have finally given it the higher-definition screenshot treatment.  How's it look now? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
+:Looks great, Mac.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:28, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

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