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=Additional Images= | =Additional Images= | ||
[[file:Msbs | [[File:Msbs-5.45 - 2014.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56K Radon (2014-2015 model) - 5.56x45mm]] | ||
[[file:MSBS-5.56 Prototype 1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56K Radon | [[File:Msbs-5.45B - 2014.JPG|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56B Radon (2014-2015 model) - 5.56x45mm]] | ||
[[file:MSBS-5.56 Prototype 2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56K Radon | [[file:Msbs gp.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56K Radon with GP grenade launcher - 5.56x45mm & 40x46mm (2012-2013 design)]] | ||
[[file:MSBS-5.56 Prototype 3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56K Radon | [[file:MSBS-5.56 Prototype 1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56K Radon (first prototype) - 5.56x45mm]] | ||
[[file:MSBS-5.56 Prototype 2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56K Radon (second prototype) - 5.56x45mm]] | |||
[[file:MSBS-5.56 Prototype 3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56K Radon (third prototype) - 5.56x45mm]] | |||
[[file:MSBS-5.56.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56K Radon (2011 mock-up) - 5.56x45mm]] | [[file:MSBS-5.56.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56K Radon (2011 mock-up) - 5.56x45mm]] | ||
[[file:MSBS-5.56B Prototype 1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56B Radon | [[file:MSBS-5.56B Prototype 1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56B Radon (first prototype) - 5.56x45mm]] | ||
[[file:MSBS-5.56B Prototype 2.jpg|thumb|none| | [[file:MSBS-5.56B Prototype 2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56B Radon (second prototype) - 5.56x45mm]] | ||
[[file:Msbs2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56 Radon | [[File:MSBS-5,56.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56B Radon 2011 design mock-up - 5.56x45mm]] | ||
[[file:Msbs2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS-5.56 Radon series; on the left, compact carbine, standard rifle, grenadier rifle, and what appear to be respectively a light support weapon (note extended magazine) and marksman rifle version. On the right, standard rifle (with some kind of muzzle device fitted), light support weapon and marksman rifle.]] | |||
[[file:MSBS-K-16.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MSBS Grot C 16 FB-M1 - 5.56x45mm NATO]] | |||
=Discussion= | =Discussion= | ||
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I was wondering whether we should refer to the MSBS as the "Radon". As far as I know, it was a name that won a contest hosted by a Polish magazine (can't remember which), but the creators of the rifle never referred to it as such. Officially it's still the "MSBS 5,56", with Radon being a fan-made nickname. [[User:Tanaj|Tanaj]] ([[User talk:Tanaj|talk]]) 09:51, 20 March 2014 (EDT) | I was wondering whether we should refer to the MSBS as the "Radon". As far as I know, it was a name that won a contest hosted by a Polish magazine (can't remember which), but the creators of the rifle never referred to it as such. Officially it's still the "MSBS 5,56", with Radon being a fan-made nickname. [[User:Tanaj|Tanaj]] ([[User talk:Tanaj|talk]]) 09:51, 20 March 2014 (EDT) | ||
:It was "Strzal" magazine. You're right - "Radon" is not an official name for MSBS (though the contest was held with cooperation from FB Radom). Most gun magazines/portals, and FB themselves, refer to the gun as "MSBS-5,56K/B/R". "K" stays for "kolba" (stock) or "konwencjonalny" (conventional), "B" is for "bezkolbowy" (stock-less - bullpup) and "R" for "reprezentacyjny" (representational - variant for our honor guard). To add a bit of spice the 16" barrel variant of MSBS-5,56K is developed under military-funded program "MSBS", while short-barreled variant, LMG, DMR and MSBS-5,56B variants are developed under "MSBS-5,56 RAWAT" program funded by our Ministry of Science. "RAWAT" is made from words "Radom" (city of manufacturer) and "WAT" (Military Institute of Technology in Warsaw). MSBS-5,56R was private initiative of FB Radom and (oh irony!) have biggest chances to be actually fielded (our honor guards use 50 years old SKS rifles). [[User:Chris22lr|Chris22lr]] ([[User talk:Chris22lr|talk]]) 16:04, 27 August 2014 (EDT) | :It was "Strzal" magazine. You're right - "Radon" is not an official name for MSBS (though the contest was held with cooperation from FB Radom). Most gun magazines/portals, and FB themselves, refer to the gun as "MSBS-5,56K/B/R". "K" stays for "kolba" (stock) or "konwencjonalny" (conventional), "B" is for "bezkolbowy" (stock-less - bullpup) and "R" for "reprezentacyjny" (representational - variant for our honor guard). To add a bit of spice the 16" barrel variant of MSBS-5,56K is developed under military-funded program "MSBS", while short-barreled variant, LMG, DMR and MSBS-5,56B variants are developed under "MSBS-5,56 RAWAT" program funded by our Ministry of Science. "RAWAT" is made from words "Radom" (city of manufacturer) and "WAT" (Military Institute of Technology in Warsaw). MSBS-5,56R was private initiative of FB Radom and (oh irony!) have biggest chances to be actually fielded (our honor guards use 50 years old SKS rifles). [[User:Chris22lr|Chris22lr]] ([[User talk:Chris22lr|talk]]) 16:04, 27 August 2014 (EDT) | ||
Jossed. Official name is ''GROT''.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 06:06, 30 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
== Also appear in Crossfire == | == Also appear in Crossfire == | ||
http://crossfirefps.wikia.com/wiki/MSBS-5.56 also I made some screen on my tablet, but I dont known how to upload it. --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 06:13, 10 November 2016 (EST) | http://crossfirefps.wikia.com/wiki/MSBS-5.56 also I made some screen on my tablet, but I dont known how to upload it. --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 06:13, 10 November 2016 (EST) | ||
:You can find '''Upload file''' in toolbox at the bottom left. [[IMFDB Style Guide]] contain useful advices on editing pages. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 07:00, 10 November 2016 (EST) | |||
They are PGN so it dont let me upload. But good this page got a new entry :) --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 10:23, 7 December 2016 (EST) | |||
== Differences between MSBS and ACR == | |||
Somebody can explain me? --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 03:59, 9 December 2016 (EST) | |||
:Internally speaking, the ACR is akin to an AR-15 while the Radon is similar to a G36, they just happen to look almost the same but one can notice the various external parts, the MSBS has a different takedown lever and placement of screws AND charging handle (ACR = on the handguard, MSBS = on the reciever).--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 08:30, 9 December 2016 (EST) | |||
Thank you. --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 08:30, 12 December 2016 (EST) | |||
== Call of Duty's MSBS == | |||
The 3 round burst is not incorrect. Check the FB website http://fabrykabroni.pl/en/produkty/karabiny/msbs/ --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 10:48, 14 December 2016 (EST) | |||
:you should probably post this on the CoD Chosts page and note here.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 11:01, 14 December 2016 (EST) | |||
::Chosts page and note... hail to grammar nazi lel --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 16:07, 14 December 2016 (EST) | |||
1v1 rust me twat--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:22, 14 December 2016 (EST) | |||
:No, here at IMFDB we only allow Fox only, no items, Final Destination. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:30, 14 December 2016 (EST) | |||
(Many years later) It's actually wrong, I'm pretty sure the MSBS doesn't have a burst setting. This was a mistake on the English version of the FB website, while the Polish version got the info right. By looking at the selector, there are only safe/semi/full-auto positions, and there's no mention of a burst mode in the [https://web.archive.org/web/20221021182042/https://fabrykabroni.pl/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Opis-i-u%C5%BCytkowanie-556-mm-Karabinka-Standardowego-Podstawowego-323-00-000-000-NOWA.pdf MSBS manual] (or at least there doesn't seem to be; I ain't gonna Google-translate the whole thing :P). Someone corrected the info on the MSBS page a while ago, though I thought I'd point that out here. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 13:39, 5 February 2022 (EST) | |||
== Adoption == | |||
Is that gun already adopted by Polish Armed Forces apart from -R variant? --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 05:24, 29 April 2017 (EDT) | |||
== Over complicated name... == | |||
Not only the name changed from "Radon" to "GROT", but got a over-complicated designation sistem: | |||
C,R,B : classic,representative or bullpup | |||
10,16,20 : barrel lenght | |||
G,M,PS: if is configurated as "grenadier",IAR or marksman rifle. | |||
FB: name of manufacturer | |||
Mx : x stands for number of series. | |||
So in this case the name of standard MSBS-K become C16FB-M1. | |||
So in future appereance of this guns, we should retain the MSBS moniker or the new variant? | |||
--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 10:07, 30 September 2017 (EDT) | |||
:Eh, MSBS is still the name of the whole series, might as well keep it here. Make redirects for the specific model names if they appear in anything. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 00:41, 1 October 2017 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 08:40, 30 December 2023
Additional Images
Discussion
"Radon"
I was wondering whether we should refer to the MSBS as the "Radon". As far as I know, it was a name that won a contest hosted by a Polish magazine (can't remember which), but the creators of the rifle never referred to it as such. Officially it's still the "MSBS 5,56", with Radon being a fan-made nickname. Tanaj (talk) 09:51, 20 March 2014 (EDT)
- It was "Strzal" magazine. You're right - "Radon" is not an official name for MSBS (though the contest was held with cooperation from FB Radom). Most gun magazines/portals, and FB themselves, refer to the gun as "MSBS-5,56K/B/R". "K" stays for "kolba" (stock) or "konwencjonalny" (conventional), "B" is for "bezkolbowy" (stock-less - bullpup) and "R" for "reprezentacyjny" (representational - variant for our honor guard). To add a bit of spice the 16" barrel variant of MSBS-5,56K is developed under military-funded program "MSBS", while short-barreled variant, LMG, DMR and MSBS-5,56B variants are developed under "MSBS-5,56 RAWAT" program funded by our Ministry of Science. "RAWAT" is made from words "Radom" (city of manufacturer) and "WAT" (Military Institute of Technology in Warsaw). MSBS-5,56R was private initiative of FB Radom and (oh irony!) have biggest chances to be actually fielded (our honor guards use 50 years old SKS rifles). Chris22lr (talk) 16:04, 27 August 2014 (EDT)
Jossed. Official name is GROT.--Dannyguns (talk) 06:06, 30 September 2017 (EDT)
Also appear in Crossfire
http://crossfirefps.wikia.com/wiki/MSBS-5.56 also I made some screen on my tablet, but I dont known how to upload it. --Dannyguns (talk) 06:13, 10 November 2016 (EST)
- You can find Upload file in toolbox at the bottom left. IMFDB Style Guide contain useful advices on editing pages. Greg-Z (talk) 07:00, 10 November 2016 (EST)
They are PGN so it dont let me upload. But good this page got a new entry :) --Dannyguns (talk) 10:23, 7 December 2016 (EST)
Differences between MSBS and ACR
Somebody can explain me? --Dannyguns (talk) 03:59, 9 December 2016 (EST)
- Internally speaking, the ACR is akin to an AR-15 while the Radon is similar to a G36, they just happen to look almost the same but one can notice the various external parts, the MSBS has a different takedown lever and placement of screws AND charging handle (ACR = on the handguard, MSBS = on the reciever).--Death Shadow20 (talk) 08:30, 9 December 2016 (EST)
Thank you. --Dannyguns (talk) 08:30, 12 December 2016 (EST)
Call of Duty's MSBS
The 3 round burst is not incorrect. Check the FB website http://fabrykabroni.pl/en/produkty/karabiny/msbs/ --Dannyguns (talk) 10:48, 14 December 2016 (EST)
- you should probably post this on the CoD Chosts page and note here.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 11:01, 14 December 2016 (EST)
- Chosts page and note... hail to grammar nazi lel --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 16:07, 14 December 2016 (EST)
1v1 rust me twat--AnActualAK47 (talk) 16:22, 14 December 2016 (EST)
- No, here at IMFDB we only allow Fox only, no items, Final Destination. Evil Tim (talk) 17:30, 14 December 2016 (EST)
(Many years later) It's actually wrong, I'm pretty sure the MSBS doesn't have a burst setting. This was a mistake on the English version of the FB website, while the Polish version got the info right. By looking at the selector, there are only safe/semi/full-auto positions, and there's no mention of a burst mode in the MSBS manual (or at least there doesn't seem to be; I ain't gonna Google-translate the whole thing :P). Someone corrected the info on the MSBS page a while ago, though I thought I'd point that out here. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 13:39, 5 February 2022 (EST)
Adoption
Is that gun already adopted by Polish Armed Forces apart from -R variant? --Dannyguns (talk) 05:24, 29 April 2017 (EDT)
Over complicated name...
Not only the name changed from "Radon" to "GROT", but got a over-complicated designation sistem: C,R,B : classic,representative or bullpup 10,16,20 : barrel lenght G,M,PS: if is configurated as "grenadier",IAR or marksman rifle. FB: name of manufacturer Mx : x stands for number of series.
So in this case the name of standard MSBS-K become C16FB-M1.
So in future appereance of this guns, we should retain the MSBS moniker or the new variant? --Dannyguns (talk) 10:07, 30 September 2017 (EDT)