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During the shootout in "Garden of Eden" several of FBI commandos carry [[Uzi]] SMGs. | During the shootout in "Garden of Eden" several of FBI commandos carry [[Uzi]] SMGs. | ||
[[File:Uzi Stock Removed.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi with stock removed - 9x19mm]] | [[File:Uzi Stock Removed.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi with stock removed - 9x19mm]] | ||
[[File:Never Say Die-Uzi- | [[File:Never Say Die-Uzi-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A commando with Uzi is seen at the background.]] | ||
[[File:Never Say Die-Uzi-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A commando with Uzi accompanies Roper. Note the strange red-painted magazine.]] | [[File:Never Say Die-Uzi-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A commando with Uzi accompanies Roper. Note the strange red-painted magazine.]] | ||
[[File:Never Say Die-Uzi-5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A commando with Uzi runs under heavy fire.]] | [[File:Never Say Die-Uzi-5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A commando with Uzi runs under heavy fire.]] | ||
== Mini Uzi == | |||
When the commandos are seen in a boat prior to attack, the supposedly same character holds a [[Mini Uzi]]. | |||
[[Image:MiniUzi 01.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Mini Uzi with stock folded - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[File:Never Say Die-Uzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A commando in center holds an Mini Uzi.]] | |||
= Shotguns = | = Shotguns = | ||
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[[File:Never Say Die-Shotgun-17.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Blake holds the shotgun in the climactic scene.]] | [[File:Never Say Die-Shotgun-17.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Blake holds the shotgun in the climactic scene.]] | ||
== | == Remington 870 SBS == | ||
During the shootout in "Garden of Eden" an FBI commando is armed with a pump action shotgun. It | During the shootout in "Garden of Eden" an FBI commando is armed with a pump action shotgun. It appears to be customized [[Remington 870|Remington 870 SBS]], fitted with folding stock, taken from [[Vektor R5|Vektor]] assault rifle, and saddle shell holder. | ||
[[File:Never Say Die-Shotgun-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The barrel and magazine tube of the shotgun is seen at the background.]] | [[File:Never Say Die-Shotgun-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The barrel and magazine tube of the shotgun is seen at the background.]] | ||
[[File:Never Say Die-Shotgun-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The shotgun-wielding man is seen at the left.]] | [[File:Never Say Die-Shotgun-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The shotgun-wielding man is seen at the left.]] | ||
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= Assault Rifles = | = Assault Rifles = | ||
== | == M16 == | ||
During the attack on "Garden of Eden" Mike Roper ([[Todd Jensen]]) is armed with | During the attack on "Garden of Eden" Mike Roper ([[Todd Jensen]]) is armed with an [[M16]], fitted with [[Cobray CM203]] grenade launcher. This version of M16 has slickside upper receiver and full fence lower receiver, like USAF M16 (Colt Model 604) and export Model 614. In a continuity error it switches to another version of M16 with grenade launcher (see below) and then back again. | ||
[[File:Colt Model 614.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Colt Model 614 - 5.56x45mm. This is an export variant of the M16, and is equivalent to the Model 604 used by the USAF.]] | |||
[[File:Never Say Die-M16-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Roper holds his M16 with Cobray CM203 while in helicopter.]] | [[File:Never Say Die-M16-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Roper holds his M16 with Cobray CM203 while in helicopter.]] | ||
[[File:Never Say Die-M16-6.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of the barrel and the launcher.]] | [[File:Never Say Die-M16-6.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of the barrel and the launcher.]] | ||
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[[File:Never Say Die-M16-10.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One more view of Roper's rifle.]] | [[File:Never Say Die-M16-10.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One more view of Roper's rifle.]] | ||
== | == Colt AR-15A2 Sporter II == | ||
In a | In a continuity error Roper's M16A1 switches to a different version of M16 that has A1 upper receiver and Sporter lower receiver so appears to be a [[Colt AR-15A2 Sporter II]]. A CM203 launcher is also mounted on this rifle but the exact item is different. The same UBGL-fitted gun is later used by a police officer. M16s of same version are used by FBI agents in several scenes. | ||
[[File:1001147qb7.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt AR-15A2 Sporter II, early model with A1 upper receiver and magazine removed - 5.56x45mm]] | |||
[[File:Never Say Die-M16-5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Roper holds a different M16 that has A1 upper receiver and slabside lower receiver. The grenade launcher is also different as it has the trigger guard on place.]] | [[File:Never Say Die-M16-5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Roper holds a different M16 that has A1 upper receiver and slabside lower receiver. The grenade launcher is also different as it has the trigger guard on place.]] | ||
[[File:Never Say Die-M16-19.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An FBI agent aims his M16 at Blake.]] | [[File:Never Say Die-M16-19.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An FBI agent aims his M16 at Blake.]] | ||
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[[File:Never Say Die-M16-37.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A police officer hold the CM203-fitted M16 that appears to be the same prop, earlier used by Roper.]] | [[File:Never Say Die-M16-37.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A police officer hold the CM203-fitted M16 that appears to be the same prop, earlier used by Roper.]] | ||
== AR-15 Carbine == | == Customized Colt AR-15 Sporter Carbine == | ||
In the second half of the movie Mike Roper ([[Todd Jensen]]) is armed with an AR-15 carbine | In the second half of the movie Mike Roper ([[Todd Jensen]]) is armed with an AR-15 carbine. Same looking gun is seen in hands of a commando during the attack on "Garden of Eden". It appears to be [[Colt AR-15 Sporter Carbine]] with custom barrel, shortened from standard 16" to about 10.5-11". | ||
[[Image:Colt-Sporter-I-Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Sporter I Carbine - 5.56x45mm. Colt's public offering of a lightweight carbine based on the AR-15 Platform. This rifle has been erroneously called "the M16 Shorty" for years by Law Enforcement and Firearms "authors". The "M16 Shorty" or "Shorty Carbine" have never been authorized or used names for the rifle by Colt or the Government.]] | |||
[[File:Never Say Die-M16-11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A commando fires M16 carbine.]] | [[File:Never Say Die-M16-11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A commando fires M16 carbine.]] | ||
[[File:Never Say Die-M16-18.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Roper aims his carbine at Blake.]] | [[File:Never Say Die-M16-18.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Roper aims his carbine at Blake.]] | ||
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== Vektor R5 (visually modified) == | == Vektor R5 (visually modified) == | ||
[[Vektor R5]] assault rifles, visually modified to look like [[AKS-47]], are used by James' henchmen, including Amos ([[John Simon Jones]]) and Jacob ([[Phillip Ferreria]]). Such mockups are often seen in South African films. | === Version 1 === | ||
[[Vektor R5]] assault rifles, visually modified to look like [[AKS-47]], are used by James' henchmen, including Amos ([[John Simon Jones]]) and Jacob ([[Phillip Ferreria]]). In flashback James (at that time Sgt. Franklin James) ([[Billy Drago]]) and Blake (at that time Corp. Blake) ([[Frank Zagarino]]) both use fake AKs. Such mockups are often seen in South African films. | |||
[[Image:VektorR5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Vektor R5 - 5.56x45mm NATO]] | [[Image:VektorR5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Vektor R5 - 5.56x45mm NATO]] | ||
[[Image:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|For comparison: AKMS - 7.62x39mm]] | |||
[[File:Never Say Die-AK-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|James (at that time Sgt. Franklin James) ([[Billy Drago]]) fires his AKS in flashback scene. The quality is intentionally low as the scene appears as Blake's vague memories.]] | |||
[[File:Never Say Die-Still-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Billy Drago holds a fake AK on promotion still.]] | |||
[[File:Never Say Die-AK-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
[[File:Never Say Die-AK-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeups of firing fake AK in flashback scene.]] | |||
[[File:Never Say Die-AK-5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A view from another side. The bolt handle is non-standard.]] | |||
[[File:Never Say Die-Vektor-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Angel gives fake AKs to Amos and Jacob.]] | [[File:Never Say Die-Vektor-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Angel gives fake AKs to Amos and Jacob.]] | ||
[[File:Never Say Die-Vektor-8.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Amos and Jacob fire their guns.]] | [[File:Never Say Die-Vektor-8.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Amos and Jacob fire their guns.]] | ||
[[File:Never Say Die-Vektor-9.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of Amos' fake AKS.]] | [[File:Never Say Die-Vektor-9.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of Amos' fake AKS.]] | ||
[[File:Never Say Die-Vektor-12.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jacob runs with fake AKS.]] | [[File:Never Say Die-Vektor-12.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jacob runs with fake AKS.]] | ||
[[File:Never Say Die-AK-6.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A cult member holds a fake AKS during the shootout. This gun obviously has a 7.62x39 magazine, but it is too long and skinny, and it looks like the whole weapon is curved like it is made of rubber, so this is probably a prop gun.]] | |||
[[File:Never Say Die-Vektor-23.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Amos surprises Roper in the climactic scene.]] | [[File:Never Say Die-Vektor-23.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Amos surprises Roper in the climactic scene.]] | ||
[[File:Never Say Die-Vektor-25.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of the barrel.]] | [[File:Never Say Die-Vektor-25.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of the barrel.]] | ||
=== Version 2 === | |||
Angel's ([[Robin Smith]]) main weapon is a different version of mocked up R5, fitted with [[Cobray CM203]] underbarrel launcher. Angel's rifle is briefly used by Amos while Angel drives a boat during the chase on the lake. | Angel's ([[Robin Smith]]) main weapon is a different version of mocked up R5, fitted with [[Cobray CM203]] underbarrel launcher. Angel's rifle is briefly used by Amos while Angel drives a boat during the chase on the lake. | ||
[[File:Never Say Die-Vektor-14.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Angel holds his gun. Note that the lower handguard is replaced with what appears to be a pump of [[Mossberg 500]].]] | [[File:Never Say Die-Vektor-14.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Angel holds his gun. Note that the lower handguard is replaced with what appears to be a pump of [[Mossberg 500]].]] | ||
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[[File:Never Say Die-Vektor-11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cult members fire R5s.]] | [[File:Never Say Die-Vektor-11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cult members fire R5s.]] | ||
== | == Customized IMI Romat == | ||
One of the FBI commandos is armed with an assault rifle that is a relatively compact weapon with handguard and forend of the stock in [[IMI Romat]] style but with a short barrel, lacking any flash hider, and with a long stick magazine, supposedly 30-round, similar in shape and size with the one of [[FN FALO|L2A1]] version. | |||
One of the FBI commandos is armed with an | |||
[[Image:Fal13-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|For comparison: Israeli FAL "Romat" with Wooden Furniture - 7.62x51mm NATO]] | [[Image:Fal13-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|For comparison: Israeli FAL "Romat" with Wooden Furniture - 7.62x51mm NATO]] | ||
[[File:Never Say Die-Unknown1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | [[File:Never Say Die-Unknown1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | ||
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== Cobray CM203 Launcher == | == Cobray CM203 Launcher == | ||
[[Cobray CM203]] launchers are used by Mike Roper ([[Todd Jensen]]) and Angel ([[Robin Smith]]). The first has the launcher mounted on | [[Cobray CM203]] launchers are used by Mike Roper ([[Todd Jensen]]) and Angel ([[Robin Smith]]). The first has the launcher mounted on M16 while the latter has it mounted on visually modified [[Vektor R5]]. | ||
[[Image:M16wEarlyCM203.jpg |thumb|none|400px|Early Model CM2037 "IMP" mounted onto [[M16A1]] - 37mm flare. The charging handle is a simple metal pin, later models would have a rubber sleeve placed over it (for cosmetic as well as safety purposes). The Trigger guard is simply a bent piece of sheet metal pinned at only one end.]] | [[Image:M16wEarlyCM203.jpg |thumb|none|400px|Early Model CM2037 "IMP" mounted onto [[M16A1]] - 37mm flare. The charging handle is a simple metal pin, later models would have a rubber sleeve placed over it (for cosmetic as well as safety purposes). The Trigger guard is simply a bent piece of sheet metal pinned at only one end.]] | ||
[[File:Never Say Die-M16-6.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of the barrel and the launcher of Roper's M16.]] | [[File:Never Say Die-M16-6.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of the barrel and the launcher of Roper's M16.]] | ||
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Never Say Die is a 1994 action movie directed by Yossi Wein. Franklin James (Billy Drago), a former Sgt. of a special unit, turns a self-proclaimed prophet and gathers "Garden of Eden" cult. FBI Agent Mike Roper (Todd Jensen) investigates his suspicious activities but when the Congressman Le Roux disappears during the visit in James' estate, Roper has to act immediately. The direct action of FBI agents faces armed response. Now the only man who can deal with insane Reverend is his former comrade-in-arms Blake (Frank Zagarino) whom James considers dead.
Note: the movie was filmed in South Africa that affects the choice of screen guns.
The following weapons were used in the film Never Say Die:
Revolvers
Llama Comanche
Angel (Robin Smith), Reverend James' enforcer, uses a Llama Comanche revolver during the massacre of Congressman Le Roux and his accompanying. This is possibly the same gun that was hold by James Booth in American Ninja 4 as the revolvers have absolutely identical outlook, and both movies share the same armourer Stuart Wentzel.
Snub nose revolver
FBI Agent Mike Roper (Todd Jensen) uses a snub nose revolver as his backup weapon, carried in leg holster. In the final scene same looking revolver is seen in hands of Reverend James (Billy Drago). It's hard to say even if this revolver is five- or six-shot that complicates the identification.
Pistols
Beretta 92SB
Numerous characters, including Blake (Frank Zagarino), FBI Agent Mike Roper (Todd Jensen), Col. Jack Redmond (Frank Notaro), local sheriff (Ted Le Plat), Reverend James' henchmen Amos (John Simon Jones) and Jacob (Phillip Ferreria), Congressman Le Roux's bodyguards (Gideon Emery and uncredited one), use Beretta 92SB pistols. In several continuity errors, 92SB pistols switch to Beretta 92FS (see below).
Beretta 92FS/Vektor Z88
Beretta 92FS pistols are also used by some of abovementioned characters (as the movie was filmed in South Africa, the pistols could be local produced Vektor Z88 version).
Submachine Guns
Walther MPK
During most of the movie Reverend James (Billy Drago) carries a Walther MPK. Possibly the same MPK, only with removed folding stock, is briefly seen in hands of an FBI commando.
Uzi
During the shootout in "Garden of Eden" several of FBI commandos carry Uzi SMGs.
Mini Uzi
When the commandos are seen in a boat prior to attack, the supposedly same character holds a Mini Uzi.
Shotguns
Smith & Wesson 916
In the climactic scene on the abandoned factory Blake (Frank Zagarino) uses a Smith & Wesson 916 shotgun. Some police officers also use S&W 916s.
Remington 870 SBS
During the shootout in "Garden of Eden" an FBI commando is armed with a pump action shotgun. It appears to be customized Remington 870 SBS, fitted with folding stock, taken from Vektor assault rifle, and saddle shell holder.
Assault Rifles
M16
During the attack on "Garden of Eden" Mike Roper (Todd Jensen) is armed with an M16, fitted with Cobray CM203 grenade launcher. This version of M16 has slickside upper receiver and full fence lower receiver, like USAF M16 (Colt Model 604) and export Model 614. In a continuity error it switches to another version of M16 with grenade launcher (see below) and then back again.
Colt AR-15A2 Sporter II
In a continuity error Roper's M16A1 switches to a different version of M16 that has A1 upper receiver and Sporter lower receiver so appears to be a Colt AR-15A2 Sporter II. A CM203 launcher is also mounted on this rifle but the exact item is different. The same UBGL-fitted gun is later used by a police officer. M16s of same version are used by FBI agents in several scenes.
Customized Colt AR-15 Sporter Carbine
In the second half of the movie Mike Roper (Todd Jensen) is armed with an AR-15 carbine. Same looking gun is seen in hands of a commando during the attack on "Garden of Eden". It appears to be Colt AR-15 Sporter Carbine with custom barrel, shortened from standard 16" to about 10.5-11".
Vektor R5 (visually modified)
Version 1
Vektor R5 assault rifles, visually modified to look like AKS-47, are used by James' henchmen, including Amos (John Simon Jones) and Jacob (Phillip Ferreria). In flashback James (at that time Sgt. Franklin James) (Billy Drago) and Blake (at that time Corp. Blake) (Frank Zagarino) both use fake AKs. Such mockups are often seen in South African films.
Version 2
Angel's (Robin Smith) main weapon is a different version of mocked up R5, fitted with Cobray CM203 underbarrel launcher. Angel's rifle is briefly used by Amos while Angel drives a boat during the chase on the lake.
Vektor R5
Unmodified Vektor R5s are used by FBI commandos and James' henchmen during the shootout in "Garden of Eden".
Customized IMI Romat
One of the FBI commandos is armed with an assault rifle that is a relatively compact weapon with handguard and forend of the stock in IMI Romat style but with a short barrel, lacking any flash hider, and with a long stick magazine, supposedly 30-round, similar in shape and size with the one of L2A1 version.
Rifles
Winchester Model 1892
During the hostage situation in church one of local police officers holds a Winchester Model 1892.
Machine Guns
RPD
During the attack on "Garden of Eden" one of FBI commandos is armed with an RPD light machine gun. When the machine gun is seen the first time, it is fitted with heat shield but when it is used in action, the heat shield disappears.
Other Weapons
Cobray CM79LF Launcher
A police officer fires a Cobray CM79LF 37mm Launcher during the scene on the abandoned factory. The launcher fires smoke grenades.
M79 Launcher
What appears to be an M79 grenade launcher is also used by police in the same scene. Like CM79, it is also used for firing smoke grenades.
Cobray CM203 Launcher
Cobray CM203 launchers are used by Mike Roper (Todd Jensen) and Angel (Robin Smith). The first has the launcher mounted on M16 while the latter has it mounted on visually modified Vektor R5.
Mk 2 Hand Grenade
Mk 2 hand grenades are seen in several scenes. In the flashback scene several members of Jones' unit carry Mk 2s. Mike Roper (Todd Jensen) and his subordinate use Mk 2s during the hunt for Blake in the swamp. In the final scene Reverend James (Billy Drago) uses a pair of Mk 2s.
M26 Hand Grenade
During the boat chase Reverend James (Billy Drago) uses several M26 hand grenades against pursuing Blake's boat. This is possibly the South African M963 version.
Mills Bomb
When James throws an M26 grenade at Blake's boat, it switches to a Mills Bomb when reaches the target.
Trivia
AK Bayonets
In the flashback scene James (Billy Drago) carries a 6-Kh-2 knife bayonet, standard for AK-47 assault rifle.
During the attack on "Garden of Eden" one of FBI commandos uses a 6-Kh-4 bayonet (known outside USSR as AKM Type II bayonet) as wire-cutter. The black furniture of the bayonet is typical for East German version. In the climactic scene on the abandoned factory Angel (Robin Smith) uses a 6-Kh-4 bayonet for close combat with Blake.
