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'''The following guns were used in the movie ''The Grey Zone''''' | |||
[[Image:The-GreyZonePosterA.jpg|thumb|right|300px|The Grey Zone (2001)]] | [[Image:The-GreyZonePosterA.jpg|thumb|right|300px|The Grey Zone (2001)]] | ||
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[[Image:GreyZone- | =Pistols= | ||
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==Walther P38 Non-gun== | |||
Also referred to as a 'flash paper gun' these blank fire only weapons are used when in close proximity to an actor. Seen in this film in the several scenes where SS guards are executing prisoners. Usually, the camera films them from a distance or odd angles to disguise the gun flash's different appearance from a real gun firing blanks. | |||
[[Image:GreyZone-P38BlankA.jpg |thumb|none|500px|In a truly disturbing and difficult to watch scene, guards execute a lineup of women and girls, one by one, with a 'flash paper' blank-firing P38 non-gun, in the background. The SS officers in the foreground wear a strange-looking uniform, resembling a Swiss Army uniform that had 'Waffen SS' insignia sewn on.]] | |||
== Walther P38 == | |||
All German officers and NCOs are equipped with [[Walther P38]]s. Actually, an inaccuracy in the film is that the P38 is really common, even in the hands of enlisted men, which is completely incorrect. | |||
[[Image:P38Black.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther P38 WWII dated with black grips - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[Image:GreyZone-P38a.jpg |thumb|none|500px|SS-Oberscharfuhrer Eric Muhsfeldt ([[Harvey Keitel]]) uses his Walther P38 - 9mm]] | |||
[[Image:GreyZone-P38EmptyA.jpg |thumb|none|500px|SS-Oberscharfuhrer Eric Muhsfeldt ([[Harvey Keitel]])'s pistol locks back after one shot, indicating that only one round was in the gun, which is unlikely.]] | |||
[[Image:GreyZone-P38EmptyDayA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Wearing a helmet that is way too small, an extra dressed as a German soldier fires his P38 in the final battle. Like so many of the other P38s in the film, the gun locks back empty after one shot is fired, again, indicating that the pistol was loaded with only one blank.]] | |||
In a somewhat weird sequence, SS-Oberscharfuhrer Eric Muhsfeldt ([[Harvey Keitel]]) can be seen using a [[Walther P38]] to kill a girl at the end of the movie as other SS guards stand by and looked perplexed. | |||
[[Image:GreyZone-P38FinalA.jpg |thumb|none|500px|SS-Oberscharfuhrer Eric Muhsfeldt ([[Harvey Keitel]]) prepares his P38 for the final shot - 9 mm]] | |||
=Submachine Guns= | |||
== | ==PPS-43== | ||
Used during the revolt, the recognizable folding metal stock appears to have been repaired by sandwiching the bars with wooden pieces, thus making it a 'hybrid' metal/wooden stock weapon. Since the [[PPS-43]] submachine gun was not issued in the numbers of the PPSh-41, one wonders where the Jewish prisoners took this weapon. However, German troops captured a number of PPS-43, which are mainly used by SS subdivisions. So the presence of PPS in Auschwitz may well be justified historically. | |||
[[Image:GreyZone- | [[Image:PPSh-43-Submachine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Soviet PPS-43 Submachine Gun - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]] | ||
[[Image:GreyZone-PPSH41A.jpg |thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
[[Image:GreyZone-PPsh43WoodStocka.jpg |thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
==MP38== | == MP38 == | ||
Some of the NCOs are seen carrying and firing the MP38 in the film. | Some of the NCOs are seen carrying and firing the [[MP38]] in the film. | ||
[[Image:Mp38-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The MP38. The sub-machine gun of the German Military Before 1940. It was still used in small quantities in 1941 and 1942.]] | |||
[[Image:GreyZone-MP38A.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | [[Image:GreyZone-MP38A.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | ||
== MP40 == | == MP40 == | ||
Some of the SS guards can be seen having [[MP40|MP40s]] during the revolt in the camp. | Some of the SS guards can be seen having [[MP40|MP40s]] during the revolt in the camp. | ||
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 submachine gun - 9x19mm]] | |||
== | =Rifles= | ||
== | == Karabiner 98k == | ||
Some of the SS guards can be seen having [[Karabiner 98k]] during the revolt in the camp. | |||
[[Image: | [[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Karabiner 98k - German manufacture 1937 date - 7.92x57mm Mauser]] | ||
[[Image:GreyZone- | [[Image:GreyZone-K98A.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | ||
=Machine Guns= | |||
==Schwarzlose M.07/12== | |||
A rather unusual choice for a belt-fed in this time period, German soldiers bring up several [[Schwarzlose Machine Gun Model 07/12]]s to fight the rebellion at the death camp. | |||
[[Image:Schwarz 07-12.jpeg|thumb|none|400px|Schwarzlose M.07/12 - 8x50mmR Mannlicher]] | |||
[[Image:GreyZone-MG 01a.jpg |thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
[[Image:GreyZone-MG 02a.jpg |thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
=Trivia= | |||
==Wardrobe review== | |||
Despite harrowing scenes and good acting, the costuming left something to be desired. The German uniforms were surprising bad in this modern WW2 themed movie. The Helmets were Spanish army and were for the most part way too small. The uniforms were '''brown''' (probably unmodified Swedish uniforms), not feldgrau (Field gray) which is actually a greenish grey which would have been correct. The SS officers uniforms were really bizarre, (looking a lot like unmodified Swiss uniforms), they looked more like something out of ''[[Starship Troopers]]'' than a World War 2 movie. Also the soldiers were wearing the wrong gear, but this mistake is common amongst War movies about Nazi Germany. Only films like ''[[Saving Private Ryan]]'' try to get things right with the wardrobe. ~ MPM2008 | Despite harrowing scenes and good acting, the costuming left something to be desired. The German uniforms were surprising bad in this modern WW2 themed movie. The Helmets were Spanish army and were for the most part way too small. The uniforms were '''brown''' (probably unmodified Swedish uniforms), not feldgrau (Field gray) which is actually a greenish grey which would have been correct. The SS officers uniforms were really bizarre, (looking a lot like unmodified Swiss uniforms), they looked more like something out of ''[[Starship Troopers]]'' than a World War 2 movie. Also the soldiers were wearing the wrong gear, but this mistake is common amongst War movies about Nazi Germany. Only films like ''[[Saving Private Ryan]]'' try to get things right with the wardrobe. ~ MPM2008 | ||
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Latest revision as of 18:45, 29 July 2023
The following guns were used in the movie The Grey Zone
Pistols
Walther P38 Non-gun
Also referred to as a 'flash paper gun' these blank fire only weapons are used when in close proximity to an actor. Seen in this film in the several scenes where SS guards are executing prisoners. Usually, the camera films them from a distance or odd angles to disguise the gun flash's different appearance from a real gun firing blanks.
Walther P38
All German officers and NCOs are equipped with Walther P38s. Actually, an inaccuracy in the film is that the P38 is really common, even in the hands of enlisted men, which is completely incorrect.
In a somewhat weird sequence, SS-Oberscharfuhrer Eric Muhsfeldt (Harvey Keitel) can be seen using a Walther P38 to kill a girl at the end of the movie as other SS guards stand by and looked perplexed.
Submachine Guns
PPS-43
Used during the revolt, the recognizable folding metal stock appears to have been repaired by sandwiching the bars with wooden pieces, thus making it a 'hybrid' metal/wooden stock weapon. Since the PPS-43 submachine gun was not issued in the numbers of the PPSh-41, one wonders where the Jewish prisoners took this weapon. However, German troops captured a number of PPS-43, which are mainly used by SS subdivisions. So the presence of PPS in Auschwitz may well be justified historically.
MP38
Some of the NCOs are seen carrying and firing the MP38 in the film.
MP40
Some of the SS guards can be seen having MP40s during the revolt in the camp.
Rifles
Karabiner 98k
Some of the SS guards can be seen having Karabiner 98k during the revolt in the camp.
Machine Guns
Schwarzlose M.07/12
A rather unusual choice for a belt-fed in this time period, German soldiers bring up several Schwarzlose Machine Gun Model 07/12s to fight the rebellion at the death camp.
Trivia
Wardrobe review
Despite harrowing scenes and good acting, the costuming left something to be desired. The German uniforms were surprising bad in this modern WW2 themed movie. The Helmets were Spanish army and were for the most part way too small. The uniforms were brown (probably unmodified Swedish uniforms), not feldgrau (Field gray) which is actually a greenish grey which would have been correct. The SS officers uniforms were really bizarre, (looking a lot like unmodified Swiss uniforms), they looked more like something out of Starship Troopers than a World War 2 movie. Also the soldiers were wearing the wrong gear, but this mistake is common amongst War movies about Nazi Germany. Only films like Saving Private Ryan try to get things right with the wardrobe. ~ MPM2008