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:The unknown assault rifle looks similar to StG 44. The snub nose revolver seems to have a different shape than Colt DS, and I think that it's some blank firing/gas firing/rubber firing revolver. I cannot guess the exact model. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:41, 21 October 2015 (EDT) | :The unknown assault rifle looks similar to StG 44. The snub nose revolver seems to have a different shape than Colt DS, and I think that it's some blank firing/gas firing/rubber firing revolver. I cannot guess the exact model. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:41, 21 October 2015 (EDT) | ||
::Mocked up as a [[Heckler & Koch G3]]? This is a different model, not "STG 44 - M16". --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 19:02, 21 October 2015 (UTC+2) | ::Mocked up as a [[Heckler & Koch G3]]? This is a different model, not "STG 44 - M16". --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 19:02, 21 October 2015 (UTC+2) | ||
:::It's not a "Mosfilm-16", of course. The buttstock looks similar to StG 44, that's why I added this guess. Can it be standard, unmodified StG? A genuine G3 is also possible though from my point of view the screen gun looks still different. Maybe I'm wrong. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:08, 21 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::It seems, that this custom rifle (probably based STG-44), as it has a cylindrical foregrip and strange magazine. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 19:37, 21 October 2015 (UTC+2) | |||
::::: I agree about the snub revolver not being a Colt, and the unknown gun being StG based. As for the 'M16A2', are we certain of that ID? The caps make it hard to tell, but the rifles in the caps seem to have the triangular A1 handguards in some shots and lack the A2 sights. That said, M16A2's were JUST coming into service in the US and they almost certainly would not have been available in Russia at that time - They might be mockups of various components of ARs to resemble A2s but it's almost a given these cannot be actual M16A2s or any direct equivalents. Also, are we certain of the XM16E1 ID? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:59, 21 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::::Scenes with the US guns were filmed in the US. Scenes with USSR guns were filmed in the USSR. This also applies to the film as a whole - some of the scenes were filmed in the USA; others - filmed in the USSR (Minsk and Tallinn). --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 20:15, 21 October 2015 (UTC+2) | |||
:::::::Maybe the scenes with M16-wielding American soldiers are in reality documentary footage? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 14:52, 21 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::::::I was thinking it was stock footage. But then again, all the caps are pretty grainy. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:55, 21 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
The pistol, identified as Stechkin, looks too small for very large APS, and it seems to be hammerless. I think that it can be a [[FN Model 1910]]. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:07, 22 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
Again about the assault rifle. [http://zanuda-32.narod.ru/DUB1/DOKUMENTR/dokr.htm Here] it's said to be a converted StG 44 but a different one from Mosfim "M16"-style version. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 06:56, 25 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
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The unknown pistol appears to be some sort of pneumatic dart or pellet gun. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:24, 21 October 2015 (EDT)
- The unknown assault rifle looks similar to StG 44. The snub nose revolver seems to have a different shape than Colt DS, and I think that it's some blank firing/gas firing/rubber firing revolver. I cannot guess the exact model. Greg-Z (talk) 12:41, 21 October 2015 (EDT)
- Mocked up as a Heckler & Koch G3? This is a different model, not "STG 44 - M16". --Slon95 (talk) 19:02, 21 October 2015 (UTC+2)
- It's not a "Mosfilm-16", of course. The buttstock looks similar to StG 44, that's why I added this guess. Can it be standard, unmodified StG? A genuine G3 is also possible though from my point of view the screen gun looks still different. Maybe I'm wrong. Greg-Z (talk) 13:08, 21 October 2015 (EDT)
- It seems, that this custom rifle (probably based STG-44), as it has a cylindrical foregrip and strange magazine. --Slon95 (talk) 19:37, 21 October 2015 (UTC+2)
- I agree about the snub revolver not being a Colt, and the unknown gun being StG based. As for the 'M16A2', are we certain of that ID? The caps make it hard to tell, but the rifles in the caps seem to have the triangular A1 handguards in some shots and lack the A2 sights. That said, M16A2's were JUST coming into service in the US and they almost certainly would not have been available in Russia at that time - They might be mockups of various components of ARs to resemble A2s but it's almost a given these cannot be actual M16A2s or any direct equivalents. Also, are we certain of the XM16E1 ID? StanTheMan (talk) 13:59, 21 October 2015 (EDT)
- Scenes with the US guns were filmed in the US. Scenes with USSR guns were filmed in the USSR. This also applies to the film as a whole - some of the scenes were filmed in the USA; others - filmed in the USSR (Minsk and Tallinn). --Slon95 (talk) 20:15, 21 October 2015 (UTC+2)
- Maybe the scenes with M16-wielding American soldiers are in reality documentary footage? Greg-Z (talk) 14:52, 21 October 2015 (EDT)
- I was thinking it was stock footage. But then again, all the caps are pretty grainy. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:55, 21 October 2015 (EDT)
- Maybe the scenes with M16-wielding American soldiers are in reality documentary footage? Greg-Z (talk) 14:52, 21 October 2015 (EDT)
- Scenes with the US guns were filmed in the US. Scenes with USSR guns were filmed in the USSR. This also applies to the film as a whole - some of the scenes were filmed in the USA; others - filmed in the USSR (Minsk and Tallinn). --Slon95 (talk) 20:15, 21 October 2015 (UTC+2)
- I agree about the snub revolver not being a Colt, and the unknown gun being StG based. As for the 'M16A2', are we certain of that ID? The caps make it hard to tell, but the rifles in the caps seem to have the triangular A1 handguards in some shots and lack the A2 sights. That said, M16A2's were JUST coming into service in the US and they almost certainly would not have been available in Russia at that time - They might be mockups of various components of ARs to resemble A2s but it's almost a given these cannot be actual M16A2s or any direct equivalents. Also, are we certain of the XM16E1 ID? StanTheMan (talk) 13:59, 21 October 2015 (EDT)
- It seems, that this custom rifle (probably based STG-44), as it has a cylindrical foregrip and strange magazine. --Slon95 (talk) 19:37, 21 October 2015 (UTC+2)
- It's not a "Mosfilm-16", of course. The buttstock looks similar to StG 44, that's why I added this guess. Can it be standard, unmodified StG? A genuine G3 is also possible though from my point of view the screen gun looks still different. Maybe I'm wrong. Greg-Z (talk) 13:08, 21 October 2015 (EDT)
- Mocked up as a Heckler & Koch G3? This is a different model, not "STG 44 - M16". --Slon95 (talk) 19:02, 21 October 2015 (UTC+2)
The pistol, identified as Stechkin, looks too small for very large APS, and it seems to be hammerless. I think that it can be a FN Model 1910. Greg-Z (talk) 15:07, 22 October 2015 (EDT) Again about the assault rifle. Here it's said to be a converted StG 44 but a different one from Mosfim "M16"-style version. Greg-Z (talk) 06:56, 25 October 2015 (EDT)