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=Title= | =Other Weapons= | ||
==Andy's Labrys== | |||
Andy identifies herself as "Andromache the Scythian," referencing a nomadic people who dominated the Pontic steppe from about the 7th century BC up until the 3rd century BC. The edged weapon she wields is a modernized version of the Labrys, a double-headed battle axe associated with the Minoan civilization and mythical beings such as Zeus and the Minotaur. | |||
[[Image:OldGuard_Labrys_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Andy ready to split some skulls with her Labrys.]] | |||
[[Image:OldGuard_Labrys_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Merrick takes a close look at Andy's Labrys.]] | |||
==Swords== | |||
Nicky and Joe both died during the Crusades; Nicky as a Crusader, and Joe as a Saracen. In a nod to this history, Joe carries a cruciform-hilted, double-edged, single-handed sword that looks similar to those used by Christian knights during the High Middle Ages throughout Europe. Joe wields a fantasy version of a scimitar, a curved backsword that was popular with Middle-Eastern warriors during the Middle Ages. It's worth noting that "Scimitar" is an anglicized version of the Italian word "scimitarra," and refers generically to curved swords. Different cultures throughout Asia and the ancient Middle and Near East used different forms of these swords, for which they had their own names. The sword that Joe uses (more clearly visible in the film poster) looks more like the type that is used primarily for modern belly-dancing performances than an actual medieval relic. | |||
[[Image:OldGuard_swords.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nicky holds his Arming Sword, Andy holds her Labrys, and Joe holds his Scimitar.]] | |||
=Discussion= | |||
==Title== | |||
Shouldn't the title of this page, for the purpose of wiki indexing, be "Old Guard, The"? --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 14:08, 29 July 2020 (EDT) | Shouldn't the title of this page, for the purpose of wiki indexing, be "Old Guard, The"? --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 14:08, 29 July 2020 (EDT) | ||
:Yes, it should. I'll take care of it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:04, 29 July 2020 (EDT) | :Yes, it should. I'll take care of it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:04, 29 July 2020 (EDT) | ||
I'm also pretty sure we don't include halberds, scimitars, or arming swords. While they may be prominent in the movie, they aren't culturally significant like, say, Rambo's knife. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:09, 29 July 2020 (EDT) | |||
:Sorry for the confusion ... This is my first time creating a page for IMFDB, so I'm learning the ropes. I wasn't sure what happened to the edged weapons info, so I put it back in. I was specifically thinking of Rambo's knife as a precedent for including those items, but I understand if that's not IMFDB protocol. [[User:ZionAmmo|ZionAmmo]] ([[User talk:ZionAmmo|talk]]) 08:28, 30 July 2020 (EDT)ZionAmmo | |||
::I completely understand, no harm done. Rambo's knife is just a different case than this as the survival knife craze of the 80s that led to similar knives being made for and prominently featured in movies began with ''[[First Blood]]''. If you still want to document the historical weapons, it's fine to do so, just put them in the section at the top of the discussion page here. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 10:36, 30 July 2020 (EDT) | |||
:I'm not sure how to move those sections to Discussion ... No issue with doing it, just don't know what buttons to push. Please advise. [[User:ZionAmmo|ZionAmmo]] ([[User talk:ZionAmmo|talk]]) | |||
::I went ahead and did it. But it's pretty simple to do. Just open up the edit window, highlight and copy the code, then open up the edit window in the section at the top of the page and paste the code, then save the edit. Pretty straightforward. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 15:33, 30 July 2020 (EDT) | |||
:::Copy and paste! LOL ... I'm not used to things being that simple. Thanks! [[User:ZionAmmo|ZionAmmo]] ([[User talk:ZionAmmo|talk]]) 16:14, 30 July 2020 (EDT) | |||
== The grenade launcher and pistol == | |||
Looks like an [[FN EGLM]]. The unidentified pistol Charlize uses looks like a P22x series, but is a prop like you mentioned. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 21:39, 29 July 2020 (EDT) | |||
:Thanks! I'll add that info. [[User:ZionAmmo|ZionAmmo]] ([[User talk:ZionAmmo|talk]]) 08:29, 30 July 2020 (EDT) | |||
==M27== | |||
The HK416 in the first two screenshots is a regular 10" D10RS, while the third screenshot just has a couple of M4s with no M27 in sight. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 10:36, 30 July 2020 (EDT) | |||
Thanks for the correction! [[User:ZionAmmo|ZionAmmo]] ([[User talk:ZionAmmo|talk]]) 14:48, 30 July 2020 (EDT) | |||
==Question about Andy== | |||
Does she specifically refer to an ''empire''? Because I'm pretty sure the Scythians were never a proper empire like, say, the Huns or Mongols. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 18:10, 30 July 2020 (EDT) | |||
:Interesting question. No, she just refers to herself as "Andromache the Scythian," so the term "empire" was my choice. Wikipedia refers to the Scythians as an example of a "nomadic empire" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomadic_empire and the Encyclopedia Britannica lists Scythia as a "historical empire." https://www.britannica.com/place/Scythia [[User:ZionAmmo|ZionAmmo]] ([[User talk:ZionAmmo|talk]]) 19:49, 30 July 2020 (EDT) | |||
==Guns I've seen so far== | |||
One of the Marines has what looks like an M16A4, but it's too blurry to ID. It can be seen right at the beginning of the Afghanistan sequence. Best view is through the passenger door window of the Humvee, the Marine is hunched down with some kids in front of a house. | |||
The technical guarding Andy's plane in Afghanistan has a mounted [[M2HB]] machine gun. It's shown right as Andy and Nila are boarding. I'll note any more I see periodically. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 18:33, 30 July 2020 (EDT) | |||
An M84 stun grenade is seen when Booker recounts the attack on the Paris safehouse. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 18:50, 30 July 2020 (EDT) | |||
One of the guards inside the lab where the immortals are taken when captured has an HK416 A5. It's identifiable from the A3 model already listed on the page by the ambidextrous bolt catch and adjustable gas block. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:27, 30 July 2020 (EDT) | |||
Merric's right-hand man (sorry, didn't catch his name) has a [[SIG-Sauer MCX]] SBR in the final shootout. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:45, 30 July 2020 (EDT) | |||
I added everything I saw, was screencapping this but never got around to doing the page until too late.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 12:57, 16 September 2020 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 22:26, 28 July 2023
Other Weapons
Andy's Labrys
Andy identifies herself as "Andromache the Scythian," referencing a nomadic people who dominated the Pontic steppe from about the 7th century BC up until the 3rd century BC. The edged weapon she wields is a modernized version of the Labrys, a double-headed battle axe associated with the Minoan civilization and mythical beings such as Zeus and the Minotaur.
Swords
Nicky and Joe both died during the Crusades; Nicky as a Crusader, and Joe as a Saracen. In a nod to this history, Joe carries a cruciform-hilted, double-edged, single-handed sword that looks similar to those used by Christian knights during the High Middle Ages throughout Europe. Joe wields a fantasy version of a scimitar, a curved backsword that was popular with Middle-Eastern warriors during the Middle Ages. It's worth noting that "Scimitar" is an anglicized version of the Italian word "scimitarra," and refers generically to curved swords. Different cultures throughout Asia and the ancient Middle and Near East used different forms of these swords, for which they had their own names. The sword that Joe uses (more clearly visible in the film poster) looks more like the type that is used primarily for modern belly-dancing performances than an actual medieval relic.
Discussion
Title
Shouldn't the title of this page, for the purpose of wiki indexing, be "Old Guard, The"? --PyramidHead (talk) 14:08, 29 July 2020 (EDT)
- Yes, it should. I'll take care of it. Spartan198 (talk) 19:04, 29 July 2020 (EDT)
I'm also pretty sure we don't include halberds, scimitars, or arming swords. While they may be prominent in the movie, they aren't culturally significant like, say, Rambo's knife. Spartan198 (talk) 19:09, 29 July 2020 (EDT)
- Sorry for the confusion ... This is my first time creating a page for IMFDB, so I'm learning the ropes. I wasn't sure what happened to the edged weapons info, so I put it back in. I was specifically thinking of Rambo's knife as a precedent for including those items, but I understand if that's not IMFDB protocol. ZionAmmo (talk) 08:28, 30 July 2020 (EDT)ZionAmmo
- I completely understand, no harm done. Rambo's knife is just a different case than this as the survival knife craze of the 80s that led to similar knives being made for and prominently featured in movies began with First Blood. If you still want to document the historical weapons, it's fine to do so, just put them in the section at the top of the discussion page here. Spartan198 (talk) 10:36, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
- I'm not sure how to move those sections to Discussion ... No issue with doing it, just don't know what buttons to push. Please advise. ZionAmmo (talk)
- I went ahead and did it. But it's pretty simple to do. Just open up the edit window, highlight and copy the code, then open up the edit window in the section at the top of the page and paste the code, then save the edit. Pretty straightforward. Spartan198 (talk) 15:33, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
The grenade launcher and pistol
Looks like an FN EGLM. The unidentified pistol Charlize uses looks like a P22x series, but is a prop like you mentioned. --PyramidHead (talk) 21:39, 29 July 2020 (EDT)
M27
The HK416 in the first two screenshots is a regular 10" D10RS, while the third screenshot just has a couple of M4s with no M27 in sight. Spartan198 (talk) 10:36, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
Thanks for the correction! ZionAmmo (talk) 14:48, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
Question about Andy
Does she specifically refer to an empire? Because I'm pretty sure the Scythians were never a proper empire like, say, the Huns or Mongols. Spartan198 (talk) 18:10, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
- Interesting question. No, she just refers to herself as "Andromache the Scythian," so the term "empire" was my choice. Wikipedia refers to the Scythians as an example of a "nomadic empire" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomadic_empire and the Encyclopedia Britannica lists Scythia as a "historical empire." https://www.britannica.com/place/Scythia ZionAmmo (talk) 19:49, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
Guns I've seen so far
One of the Marines has what looks like an M16A4, but it's too blurry to ID. It can be seen right at the beginning of the Afghanistan sequence. Best view is through the passenger door window of the Humvee, the Marine is hunched down with some kids in front of a house. The technical guarding Andy's plane in Afghanistan has a mounted M2HB machine gun. It's shown right as Andy and Nila are boarding. I'll note any more I see periodically. Spartan198 (talk) 18:33, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
An M84 stun grenade is seen when Booker recounts the attack on the Paris safehouse. Spartan198 (talk) 18:50, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
One of the guards inside the lab where the immortals are taken when captured has an HK416 A5. It's identifiable from the A3 model already listed on the page by the ambidextrous bolt catch and adjustable gas block. Spartan198 (talk) 19:27, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
Merric's right-hand man (sorry, didn't catch his name) has a SIG-Sauer MCX SBR in the final shootout. Spartan198 (talk) 19:45, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
I added everything I saw, was screencapping this but never got around to doing the page until too late.--Mandolin (talk) 12:57, 16 September 2020 (EDT)