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= Ballistic vest choice =
==Winchester Model 1200/1300==
Used by Sammy Brooks([[Geoff Bell]]) when testing body armour on Frankie([[Danny Dyer]]).
[[Image:TammerHassanTheBusiness.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Tamer Hassan]] as Charlie with a Remington 870 (Possible promo shot).]]
 
==M1911A1==
Used by Frankie ([[Danny Dyer]]). Used also by Charlie([[Tamer Hassan]]) to shoot a goat. Various other M1911's are seen on a table.
[[Image:M1911A1WeWereSoldiers.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|M1911A1 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Dannydyerm1911thebusiness.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:TheBusinessSammywidgunsontable.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Sammy lays the weapons on the table.]]
 
==Colt Model 1908 Vest Pocket==
Taken from Carly's (Georgina Chapman) handbag in the car by Frankie, who points it at her before kicking her out the car at the end of the movie.
 
==Beretta M92F==
[[Image:TheBusinessCharliewidaUziFrankiewidaBerreta.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|]]
 
==Walther P38==
Used by Sammy Brooks ([[Geoff Bell]]).
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther P38 pistol (manufactured at the Mauser Factory) - World War II dated - 9x19mm]]
 
==Uzi==
Used by Frankie ([[Danny Dyer]]) and Charlie ([[Tamer Hassan]]) when shooting old tyres in a wasteland. Also wielded by a Security Guard.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi 9x19mm]]
 
==Jericho 941==
Used by Sammy Brooks ([[Geoff Bell]]) when testing body armour.
[[Image:Jericho941FullSize.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Jericho 941 (early model) -  9x19mm.  The Jericho 941FS version moved the decocker from the slide to the frame]]
[[Image:TheBusinessSammytestinflakvests.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|]]
 
==Tanfoglio Titan==
Used by Sammy ([[Geoff Bell]]).
[[Image:TheBusinessSammywidaTanfoglio.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|]]
 
==Star Z70==
Used by the Guardia Civil to gun down Moroccan drug dealers in Speedboats and to gun down Sammy ([[Geoff Bell]]) at the end of the movie.
[[Image:StarZ70SMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Artist rendition of a Spanish Star Z70 Submachine Gun]]
 
==Sawn Off 12 Gauge Double Barrel Shotgun==
Used by Sammy ([[Tamer Hassan]]) and Charlie ([[Geoff Bell]]) during the London robbery scene. A Sawn Off can be seen on a table amongst other weapons.
[[Image:SS311A sawed-off-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Baikal - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:TheBusinessSammywidgunsontable.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Sammy lays the weapons on the table.]]
 
==CETME C2 submachine gun==
[[Image:CETMEC2.jpg|thumb|none|300px|CETME C2 submachine gun, 9x23mm Largo]]
 
=Discussion=
== Ballistic vest choice ==


When I saw the vest pictured in the Jericho and Winchester 1300 I thought they were a bizarre choice. Then I read the text saying that it was set in the 80s which pleasantly surprised me, as the vest is correct for that period being the (then) current British army body armour, the Mk. 2 "INIBA" (Improved Northern Ireland Body Armour) vest. Just curious, when they are testing the vests are they depicted as being generally "bullet proof", or just the plates? If the soft armour stops the shot, then this is incorrect as the soft armour is pretty much only "frag proof".  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:04, 4 August 2013 (EDT)
When I saw the vest pictured in the Jericho and Winchester 1300 I thought they were a bizarre choice. Then I read the text saying that it was set in the 80s which pleasantly surprised me, as the vest is correct for that period being the (then) current British army body armour, the Mk. 2 "INIBA" (Improved Northern Ireland Body Armour) vest. Just curious, when they are testing the vests are they depicted as being generally "bullet proof", or just the plates? If the soft armour stops the shot, then this is incorrect as the soft armour is pretty much only "frag proof".  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:04, 4 August 2013 (EDT)
:No, they didn't stick to the plates. Frankie was shot point blank with the Jericho, and the welt was on this right pectoral. Charlie shot Sammy with the shotgun, shooting from the hip. I didn't get to the commentary, but the director was VERY insistent on making sure the clothes were period specific. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:26, 4 August 2013 (EDT)
:No, they didn't stick to the plates. Frankie was shot point blank with the Jericho, and the welt was on this right pectoral. Charlie shot Sammy with the shotgun, shooting from the hip. I didn't get to the commentary, but the director was VERY insistent on making sure the clothes were period specific. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:26, 4 August 2013 (EDT)
::They did a good gob with the period specific aspect, not so much with the fact that the Jericho would have probably shot straight through it. At least they were bruised though, its more than most films/TV go for.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:57, 4 August 2013 (EDT)
:::I took a few caps of just the vests for you. It actually appears that there was a goof, since Sammy shoots Frankie squarely in the chest plate, but the welt is off to the right. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 01:50, 5 August 2013 (EDT)
[[Image:TheBusiness_V01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sammy fires on the vest alone at first. Note that the rounds are being stopped, even when off the chest plate.]]
[[Image:TheBusiness_V02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Charlie after being shot. It appears the shot is just to the right of the chest plate.]]
[[Image:TheBusiness_V03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sammy gets up after taking a blast from the shotgun. Most of the damage appears to be centered around the chest plate.]]
[[Image:TheBusiness_V05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sammy slips off the vest. It appears to only open on the right side. Since the L85 is supposed to be fired right handed, I suppose this makes sense.]]
[[Image:TheBusiness_V08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sammy shoots Frankie square in the chest plate. Note the extra damage compared to the earlier shots.]]
[[Image:TheBusiness_V11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frankie reveals his welt, which is revealed to be on the right pectoral, rather than right over his heart.]]
[[Image:TheBusiness_V12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|It appears there is a corresponding plate on the back as well.]]

Latest revision as of 17:34, 11 July 2023

Ballistic vest choice

When I saw the vest pictured in the Jericho and Winchester 1300 I thought they were a bizarre choice. Then I read the text saying that it was set in the 80s which pleasantly surprised me, as the vest is correct for that period being the (then) current British army body armour, the Mk. 2 "INIBA" (Improved Northern Ireland Body Armour) vest. Just curious, when they are testing the vests are they depicted as being generally "bullet proof", or just the plates? If the soft armour stops the shot, then this is incorrect as the soft armour is pretty much only "frag proof". --commando552 (talk) 17:04, 4 August 2013 (EDT)

No, they didn't stick to the plates. Frankie was shot point blank with the Jericho, and the welt was on this right pectoral. Charlie shot Sammy with the shotgun, shooting from the hip. I didn't get to the commentary, but the director was VERY insistent on making sure the clothes were period specific. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:26, 4 August 2013 (EDT)
They did a good gob with the period specific aspect, not so much with the fact that the Jericho would have probably shot straight through it. At least they were bruised though, its more than most films/TV go for. --commando552 (talk) 18:57, 4 August 2013 (EDT)
I took a few caps of just the vests for you. It actually appears that there was a goof, since Sammy shoots Frankie squarely in the chest plate, but the welt is off to the right. --Funkychinaman (talk) 01:50, 5 August 2013 (EDT)
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Sammy fires on the vest alone at first. Note that the rounds are being stopped, even when off the chest plate.
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Charlie after being shot. It appears the shot is just to the right of the chest plate.
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Sammy gets up after taking a blast from the shotgun. Most of the damage appears to be centered around the chest plate.
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Sammy slips off the vest. It appears to only open on the right side. Since the L85 is supposed to be fired right handed, I suppose this makes sense.
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Sammy shoots Frankie square in the chest plate. Note the extra damage compared to the earlier shots.
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Frankie reveals his welt, which is revealed to be on the right pectoral, rather than right over his heart.
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It appears there is a corresponding plate on the back as well.