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The revolver isn't a Gasser. It looks like one of caplock models of 1850s (distantly resemble Colt but most likely a German or Belgian model). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 01:31, 28 September 2014 (EDT) Thx! Gasser is anachronic in 1866.:)--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] ([[User talk:Pandolfini|talk]]) 01:38, 28 September 2014 (EDT) | The revolver isn't a Gasser. It looks like one of caplock models of 1850s (distantly resemble Colt but most likely a German or Belgian model). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 01:31, 28 September 2014 (EDT) | ||
: Thx! Gasser is anachronic in 1866.:)--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] ([[User talk:Pandolfini|talk]]) 01:38, 28 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
::I looked all my gun books but still I cannot find the exact model. Though this revolver looks familiar. I guess that it's based on Colt 1849 system, but we need a real expert to identify it. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 01:56, 28 September 2014 (EDT) Yes, this licence model (Colt-Innsbruck) was also used, but is different - http://www.vhu.cz/exhibit/revolver-colt-innsbruck-v-kazete-s-prislusenstvim-1849/ | |||
It is not the Beaumont-Adams that it is currently identified as either. The piece under the barrel where the loading rod pivots is a different shape on the Beaumont-Adams, but more definitively the Beaumont-Adams has a solid frame (metal goes all the may around the cylinder) as opposed to this gun which has an open topped frame. To me, it looks more like a Webley-Bentley, but there are still some differences such as how the charging lever attaches to the frame, perhaps it is a European copy? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:22, 28 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Another difference to the Beaumont-Adams I just noticed: the BA is SA/DA so has a spurred hammer whereas this gun has no hammer spur implying that it is DAO, as is the Webley-Bentley. If it'd had a closed frame and this spurless hammer, that would make it an Adams revolver which was the DAO revolver that the Beaumont–Adams was based on. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:21, 28 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
::And it has the Bentley style safety catch on the left of the frame, whereas the Beaumont-Adams had no safety. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:37, 28 September 2014 (EDT) Austrian officers used also a Scheinigg/Gasser revolver, licence of Adams revolver - http://ah.milua.org/revolvery-gassera-neizvestnaya-istoriya | |||
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The revolver isn't a Gasser. It looks like one of caplock models of 1850s (distantly resemble Colt but most likely a German or Belgian model). Greg-Z (talk) 01:31, 28 September 2014 (EDT)
- Thx! Gasser is anachronic in 1866.:)--Pandolfini (talk) 01:38, 28 September 2014 (EDT)
- I looked all my gun books but still I cannot find the exact model. Though this revolver looks familiar. I guess that it's based on Colt 1849 system, but we need a real expert to identify it. Greg-Z (talk) 01:56, 28 September 2014 (EDT) Yes, this licence model (Colt-Innsbruck) was also used, but is different - http://www.vhu.cz/exhibit/revolver-colt-innsbruck-v-kazete-s-prislusenstvim-1849/
It is not the Beaumont-Adams that it is currently identified as either. The piece under the barrel where the loading rod pivots is a different shape on the Beaumont-Adams, but more definitively the Beaumont-Adams has a solid frame (metal goes all the may around the cylinder) as opposed to this gun which has an open topped frame. To me, it looks more like a Webley-Bentley, but there are still some differences such as how the charging lever attaches to the frame, perhaps it is a European copy? --commando552 (talk) 05:22, 28 September 2014 (EDT)
- Another difference to the Beaumont-Adams I just noticed: the BA is SA/DA so has a spurred hammer whereas this gun has no hammer spur implying that it is DAO, as is the Webley-Bentley. If it'd had a closed frame and this spurless hammer, that would make it an Adams revolver which was the DAO revolver that the Beaumont–Adams was based on. --commando552 (talk) 06:21, 28 September 2014 (EDT)
- And it has the Bentley style safety catch on the left of the frame, whereas the Beaumont-Adams had no safety. --commando552 (talk) 06:37, 28 September 2014 (EDT) Austrian officers used also a Scheinigg/Gasser revolver, licence of Adams revolver - http://ah.milua.org/revolvery-gassera-neizvestnaya-istoriya