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Look at this photo: it's not a Thompson, it's a PPSh-41 mocked up to look like one. Check the distance between trigger guard and drum mag, for example, and notice that rear half of the receiver is mounted into a wooden stock. | Look at this photo: it's not a Thompson, it's a PPSh-41 mocked up to look like one. Check the distance between trigger guard and drum mag, for example, and notice that rear half of the receiver is mounted into a wooden stock. | ||
: You are right! I didn't notice it (to my shame). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 03:50, 29 November 2011 (CST) | : You are right! I didn't notice it (to my shame). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 03:50, 29 November 2011 (CST) | ||
:: And the "real" Tommygun was most probably a Denix replica. I highly doubt that a functional Thompson would be available anywhere in the Commie Bloc. From Warsaw with love, --[[User:Seriously Mike|Seriously Mike]] 08:42, 29 November 2011 (CST) | |||
:::Quite possible it was an old lend-lease Thompson, there were a lot of those left pristine because the Red Army never had enough .45ACP ammo to actually use them properly. Working Thompsons are still being dug out of Soviet-era arsenals today. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:49, 29 November 2011 (CST) | |||
:::: Yes, lend-leased Thompsons M1928 can be seen in many Soviet movies of 1960s-80s when a Western weapon was needed. Of course it look absurdly when we see US soldiers of 1980s with Thompsons - but Hollywood could get AK-47s and Mosfilm couldn't get M16s. :)) | |||
:::: There is an interesting article in Russian magazine "Master Rujye" (means ''Master Gun'') about how different weapons (including MP40s, Stens, Thompsons and other foreign guns) were modified for cinema use. I'll try to use some info from this article in Trivia sections. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 09:04, 29 November 2011 (CST) | |||
::::: Also don't forget about Stg44. It has been changed to resemble with М16... But fake "Thompson" is much better than fake "М16" :))) [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 15:28, 29 November 2011 (CST) | |||
It's even strange, is it really that the Thompsons were so rare in Poland? In the USSR it was a pretty popular gun, starting from the early 20s. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:36, 25 May 2018 (EDT) | |||
== It's not the flintlock muskets, but a percussion rifles == | |||
At this, better quality (but watemarked) screenshots: [http://s020.radikal.ru/i700/1702/fa/a8a234de9edd.png 1], [http://s019.radikal.ru/i600/1702/26/45ce175cfb46.png 2], [http://s015.radikal.ru/i333/1702/59/1ae484842f32.png 3], can be seen, that's not a flintlock muskets, but the percussion rifles. Part of it is [[Springfield Model 1842]], while the another may be [[Springfield 1861]] or [[Enfield Pattern 1853]]. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 12:19, 13 February 2017 (EST) | |||
[[Image:Springfield1842musket.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Springfield Model 1842 - .69 Smoothbore]] | |||
[[Image:Springfield1861.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Springfield Model 1861 - .58 caliber Minie ball. Note curved hammer and conventional priming.]] | |||
[[Image:1853enfield.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Enfield Pattern 1853 - .577 Ball]] | |||
:I strongly doubt that Odessa Film Studio had any Springfields or Enfields. I'll correct these guns to generic percussion cap. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:27, 13 February 2017 (EST) | |||
::Maybe, Russian 6-lines rifle pattern 1856? [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 09:31, 15 February 2017 (EST) | |||
[[Image:Russian1856Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Russian 6-Lines Rifle Pattern 1856 - .15.24mm.]] | |||
== The muskets isn'rt non-firing replicas, due it's fired onscreen == | |||
The muskets can be seen firing with a large muzzle flash and smoke, typical for gunpowder. So, it were a real guns. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 11:21, 11 March 2018 (EDT) | |||
:It's pyrotechnics. Various muzzleloaders never live fire during the filming as it is dangerous to actors. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 11:41, 11 March 2018 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 03:17, 4 February 2023
Fake Tommygun
Look at this photo: it's not a Thompson, it's a PPSh-41 mocked up to look like one. Check the distance between trigger guard and drum mag, for example, and notice that rear half of the receiver is mounted into a wooden stock.
- You are right! I didn't notice it (to my shame). Greg-Z 03:50, 29 November 2011 (CST)
- And the "real" Tommygun was most probably a Denix replica. I highly doubt that a functional Thompson would be available anywhere in the Commie Bloc. From Warsaw with love, --Seriously Mike 08:42, 29 November 2011 (CST)
- Quite possible it was an old lend-lease Thompson, there were a lot of those left pristine because the Red Army never had enough .45ACP ammo to actually use them properly. Working Thompsons are still being dug out of Soviet-era arsenals today. Evil Tim 08:49, 29 November 2011 (CST)
- Yes, lend-leased Thompsons M1928 can be seen in many Soviet movies of 1960s-80s when a Western weapon was needed. Of course it look absurdly when we see US soldiers of 1980s with Thompsons - but Hollywood could get AK-47s and Mosfilm couldn't get M16s. :))
- There is an interesting article in Russian magazine "Master Rujye" (means Master Gun) about how different weapons (including MP40s, Stens, Thompsons and other foreign guns) were modified for cinema use. I'll try to use some info from this article in Trivia sections. Greg-Z 09:04, 29 November 2011 (CST)
- Also don't forget about Stg44. It has been changed to resemble with М16... But fake "Thompson" is much better than fake "М16" :))) Flexo 15:28, 29 November 2011 (CST)
- Quite possible it was an old lend-lease Thompson, there were a lot of those left pristine because the Red Army never had enough .45ACP ammo to actually use them properly. Working Thompsons are still being dug out of Soviet-era arsenals today. Evil Tim 08:49, 29 November 2011 (CST)
- And the "real" Tommygun was most probably a Denix replica. I highly doubt that a functional Thompson would be available anywhere in the Commie Bloc. From Warsaw with love, --Seriously Mike 08:42, 29 November 2011 (CST)
It's even strange, is it really that the Thompsons were so rare in Poland? In the USSR it was a pretty popular gun, starting from the early 20s. --Slon95 (talk) 14:36, 25 May 2018 (EDT)
It's not the flintlock muskets, but a percussion rifles
At this, better quality (but watemarked) screenshots: 1, 2, 3, can be seen, that's not a flintlock muskets, but the percussion rifles. Part of it is Springfield Model 1842, while the another may be Springfield 1861 or Enfield Pattern 1853. Pyramid Silent (talk) 12:19, 13 February 2017 (EST)
- I strongly doubt that Odessa Film Studio had any Springfields or Enfields. I'll correct these guns to generic percussion cap. Greg-Z (talk) 12:27, 13 February 2017 (EST)
- Maybe, Russian 6-lines rifle pattern 1856? Pyramid Silent (talk) 09:31, 15 February 2017 (EST)
The muskets isn'rt non-firing replicas, due it's fired onscreen
The muskets can be seen firing with a large muzzle flash and smoke, typical for gunpowder. So, it were a real guns. Pyramid Silent (talk) 11:21, 11 March 2018 (EDT)