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=Additional Images=
= Additional Images =
[[File:Fedorov-Degtyarov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Fedorov-Degtyaryov light machine gun (alternately anglicized as as Fedorov-Degtyarov and Fedorov-Degtyarev) - 6.5x50mmSR Arisaka]]
 
[[File:Fedorov M1913 Rifle 7.62.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Fedorov self-loading rifle M1913 - 7.62x54mmR. As far as it know, the earliest M1911 and M1912 were almost identical.]]
[[File:Fedorov M1913.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Fedorov self-loading rifle M1913 - 6.5mm Fedorov]]


=Discussion=
=Discussion=
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And a number of later versions, which I do not even know how to describe: [http://zhurnal.lib.ru/img/k/krasilxnikow_o_j/fedorov/af2.jpg], [https://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/019966/19966185.jpg]. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 19:05, 9 May 2018 (EDT)
And a number of later versions, which I do not even know how to describe: [http://zhurnal.lib.ru/img/k/krasilxnikow_o_j/fedorov/af2.jpg], [https://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/019966/19966185.jpg]. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 19:05, 9 May 2018 (EDT)


I see that the weapon was recently added to the [[:Category:Battle Rifle|battle rifle category page]], but... is the 6.5x50mmSR cartridge powerful enough for that? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 08:19, 10 December 2018 (EST)
==Fedorov-Degtyaryov==
I found a few mentions of this gun on the internet. So it is known that 4 prototypes were created (minimum). The first 3 prototypes were based on the basic 25-round magazine-fed model, the fourth prototype was a plate-fed version. I think it's worth putting all 4 prototypes on the main page with the date and prototype number.--[[User:Mateogala|Emto_PL]] ([[User talk:Mateogala|talk]]) 06:25, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
[[File:Fedorov-Diegtyarev LMG prototyp 1 - 1921.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Fedorov-Degtyaryov light machine gun with [[Lewis Gun]]-type water-cooled jacket and standard 25-round magazine - 6.5x50mmSR Arisaka. Prototype from 1921.]]
[[File:Fedorov-Diegtyarev LMG prototyp 2 - 1922.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Fedorov-Degtyaryov light machine gun with air cooling of the barrel and standard 25-round magazine - 6.5x50mmSR Arisaka. Prototype from 1922.]]
[[File:Fedorov-Diegtyarev LMG prototyp 3 - 1922.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Fedorov-Degtyaryov light machine gun with [[Maxim]]-type water-cooled jacket and standard 25-round magazine - 6.5x50mmSR Arisaka. Prototype from 1922.]]
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*Exhibition at the Military Historical Museum of Artillery, Engineering and Signal Corps in St. Petersburg, dedicated to the work of Degtyarev and Fyodorov.
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[[File:Fedorov-Diegtyarev LMG prototyp 1 - 1921 real.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Fedorov-Degtyaryov light machine gun with [[Lewis Gun]]-type water-cooled jacket and standard 25-round magazine - 6.5x50mmSR Arisaka. Prototype from 1921.]]
[[File:Fedorov-Diegtyarev LMG prototyp 2 - 1922 real.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Fedorov-Degtyaryov light machine gun with air cooling of the barrel and standard 25-round magazine - 6.5x50mmSR Arisaka. Prototype from 1922.]]
[[File:Fedorov-Diegtyarev LMG prototyp 3 - 1922 real.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Fedorov-Degtyaryov light machine gun with [[Maxim]]-type water-cooled jacket - 6.5x50mmSR Arisaka. Prototype from 1922.]]

Latest revision as of 07:08, 8 December 2022

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Fedorov self-loading rifle M1913 - 7.62x54mmR. As far as it know, the earliest M1911 and M1912 were almost identical.
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Fedorov self-loading rifle M1913 - 6.5mm Fedorov

Discussion

So, I finally, perhaps, found the most detailed article about this weapon: [1] (on Russian language, though). --Slon95 (talk) 12:59, 17 November 2017 (EST)

Well, this article provides a lot new info. Looks a very careful research. Greg-Z (talk) 13:17, 17 November 2017 (EST)
Okay, so what does that mean? "M1916" is actually M1919? Since the real M1916, it turns out, did not have a front grip and a barrel shroud. --Slon95 (talk) 18:18, 17 November 2017 (EST)
Hm. Author says he only saw one gun in what he said was the original configuration, though. From what google translate tells me, the one he saw had a 15-round magazine and no foregrip? Evil Tim (talk) 18:47, 17 November 2017 (EST)

And a number of later versions, which I do not even know how to describe: [2], [3]. --Slon95 (talk) 19:05, 9 May 2018 (EDT)

Fedorov-Degtyaryov

I found a few mentions of this gun on the internet. So it is known that 4 prototypes were created (minimum). The first 3 prototypes were based on the basic 25-round magazine-fed model, the fourth prototype was a plate-fed version. I think it's worth putting all 4 prototypes on the main page with the date and prototype number.--Emto_PL (talk) 06:25, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

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Fedorov-Degtyaryov light machine gun with Lewis Gun-type water-cooled jacket and standard 25-round magazine - 6.5x50mmSR Arisaka. Prototype from 1921.
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Fedorov-Degtyaryov light machine gun with air cooling of the barrel and standard 25-round magazine - 6.5x50mmSR Arisaka. Prototype from 1922.
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Fedorov-Degtyaryov light machine gun with Maxim-type water-cooled jacket and standard 25-round magazine - 6.5x50mmSR Arisaka. Prototype from 1922.


  • Exhibition at the Military Historical Museum of Artillery, Engineering and Signal Corps in St. Petersburg, dedicated to the work of Degtyarev and Fyodorov.


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Fedorov-Degtyaryov light machine gun with Lewis Gun-type water-cooled jacket and standard 25-round magazine - 6.5x50mmSR Arisaka. Prototype from 1921.
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Fedorov-Degtyaryov light machine gun with air cooling of the barrel and standard 25-round magazine - 6.5x50mmSR Arisaka. Prototype from 1922.
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Fedorov-Degtyaryov light machine gun with Maxim-type water-cooled jacket - 6.5x50mmSR Arisaka. Prototype from 1922.