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=Additional Images= | |||
[[File:Beretta 93R with unfolded stock.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Beretta 93R with optional unfolded shoulder stock - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[File:Beretta 93R with suppressor.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Beretta 93R with suppressor - 9x19mm]] | |||
=Discussion= | |||
==wood grip image choice== | ==wood grip image choice== | ||
[[Image:Beretta M93.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 93R with wood grips - 9x19mm]] | [[Image:Beretta M93.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 93R with wood grips - 9x19mm]] | ||
Wouldn't the second pic be the better choice? It seems kind of airsofty to me. But the first image isn't a very good quality and the compensator is different from standard. I really think we should just use MPM's pic even if the grips don't match.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:17, 28 December 2010 (UTC) | Wouldn't the second pic be the better choice? It seems kind of airsofty to me. But the first image isn't a very good quality and the compensator is different from standard. I really think we should just use MPM's pic even if the grips don't match.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:17, 28 December 2010 (UTC) | ||
==shoulder stock== | ==shoulder stock== | ||
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Can the 93R accept ordinary 92 magazines? Or just the standard 20-round ones? --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 07:43, 18 February 2012 (CST). | Can the 93R accept ordinary 92 magazines? Or just the standard 20-round ones? --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 07:43, 18 February 2012 (CST). | ||
:Yes, the magazines are interchangeable. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:18, 18 February 2012 (CST) | |||
::Awesome, thanks :D --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 16:27, 18 February 2012 (CST). | |||
== Another Overused Weapon == | |||
This is another weapon that, whether the real thing or a mock up, that, to me, seems to get way too much screen time given the fact that it has not actually been made in almost twenty years. As cool as I find the weapon it is another example of a firearm (like the USAS-12, AA-12 and SPAS-12) that is overused given its' rarity. Ok...rant ended. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 17:52, 18 February 2012 (CST) | |||
== Error regarding the non-firing variant == | |||
Hello, | |||
the airsoft KSC 93R is listed on this page by mistake I believe, as the 93R model with horizontal flash hider(not compensator)holes actually does, or did exist; it was the first version of the weapon that was released before they made the holes horizontal which spread the flash better. They also removed the full-auto fire mode as it was too uncontrollable even with the added grip and stock. | |||
Peace. | |||
:Yeah, I agree that this information is incorrect. I am re-doing screencaps for ''[[Virtuosity]]'' in high-def, and the Beretta 93Rs in that movie have the flash hiders with vertical slants rather than three small holes. And those guns are clearly real blank-adapted weapons, not airsoft replicas with CGI muzzle flashes. Even if the 93R had never been produced with the M16-style flash hider, I would still expect armorers would replace the factory-standard flash hiders with a version that produces the largest muzzle flash possible, exactly as they tend to do with so many other types of weapons (i.e. M16A2s fitted with M16A1 flash hiders), since Hollywood loves guns to produce big flashes. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 12:15, 14 December 2014 (EST) | |||
:: Interesting bit of info. TBH, most times I had seen that type of flash hider were on 92 mockups rather than genuine 93Rs, so whether or not it was a factory setup on real 93s or not I didn't consider. Otherwise I suppose I would just say those were modified flash hiders done by armorers like MT2008 stated - Makes sense given how that's something done on numerous other weapons. Thinking back on it now though, I do recall seeing those flash hiders on actual 93Rs - I believe the stock 93R in ''[[RoboCop 2]]'' has it, for example. Again, it could be armorer modifications but it instead being an actual factory configuration certainly seems plausible to me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 16:03, 14 December 2014 (EST) | |||
== What is with the blade? == | |||
What purpose could the blade attached to the trigger guard POSSIBLY serve? [[User: 2wingo]] | |||
It's not a blade. It's a folding handgrip. It's not very effective but it does help to control the muzzle rise. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] ([[User talk:Rockwolf66|talk]]) 19:26, 21 November 2012 (EST) | |||
: Oh. Thanks! - [[User: 2wingo]] | |||
== Full-Auto Conversion == | |||
It says on the main page that full-auto converted 92FSs are often mocked up to look like the 93R, which can only fire in semi-auto or 3-round-Burst. This raises my question: Can a semi-automatic only firearm be converted to fire 3-round-Burst, or is it only possible to convert from semi-auto to full? - [[User: 2wingo]] | |||
It is possible with some firearms. In the NFA community burst fire weapons are unpopular as the gun controls you not you controling the gun. With converted Beretta Model 92 bursts are a bad thing as they will eventually destroy the internals of the pistol. That's why you see full on magazine dumps with those. a Model 92 to a model 93R conversion would be alot more trouble than it's worth to most NFA manufacturers.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] ([[User talk:Rockwolf66|talk]]) 17:40, 28 November 2012 (EST) | |||
: "the gun controls you not you controling the gun." What exactly do you mean? [[User: 2wingo]] | |||
It means that the trigger is controlling how many bullets you fire rather than the user having the skills to fire as many bullets as needed. I don't get enough time with automatic weapons but with my admittedly limited experiance it's easy to fire a controled burst. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] ([[User talk:Rockwolf66|talk]]) 19:11, 28 November 2012 (EST) | |||
:To answer your question, it will be a hell of a lot harder to convert a semi auto gun to burst fire as opposed to converting it to full. In order to convert a semi to full, you can accomplish this by modifying various parts of the gun such as the sear and disconnecter. However in order to get burst fire on a gun you need some sort of mechanism that counts the bullets in a burst, normally accomplished with some sort of cam. This would need to be entirely fabricated, or be a drop in existing part (for example, it may be possible to convert a 92FS to burt by using parts from a 93R but I'm not sure if they internally similar enough). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:25, 28 November 2012 (EST) | |||
::As far as I can tell, all of the 92FS pistols converted to 93Rs that I have seen in movies fire full-auto, not burst. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 11:10, 30 December 2014 (EST) | |||
== SA, DA or DAO? == | |||
What kind of action does this gun have? --[[User:Roman|Roman]] ([[User talk:Roman|talk]]) 06:47, 16 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
:I believe it is single action only, the double action mechanism had to go to accommodate the burst function. Also, remember to sign your posts on talk pages, either by putting <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end or by just clicking the "Signature and timestamp" button at the top of the edit window. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:59, 11 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
::Thanks. --[[User:Roman|Roman]] ([[User talk:Roman|talk]]) 06:47, 16 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 03:22, 2 May 2022
Additional Images
Discussion
wood grip image choice
Wouldn't the second pic be the better choice? It seems kind of airsofty to me. But the first image isn't a very good quality and the compensator is different from standard. I really think we should just use MPM's pic even if the grips don't match.--Predator20 16:17, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
shoulder stock
The 93R is hardly ever seen with it's attachable shoulder stock, and I find that to be a shame. Along with the VP70Z and the souped-up P38s from The Man From UNCLE, the shoulder-stocked machine pistol should be a staple of the movie villain or antihero.
The only thing I don't like about it is the collapsable left hand grip. It hurts your hand!
The cinema is one of the few places that such a weapon enjoys any real success!
Wood (or is it Bakelite?) Grips
We really should have a photo with the brown grips. Those grips appear much more frequently than the black grips. IIRC, we used to have an MPM-quality photo with brown grips. I volunteer to go find one, be back soon -protoAuthor 00:55, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Long time browser, just wondering if the third pic is actually an M951R, looks like it to me.
- Not even close. This is a Beretta 951R (There's no "M").--PistolJunkie 00:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Jason X
i was just watching it, and i was thinking that the future guns look pretty awesome. i noticed that there was this autopistol and i noticed the telltale enlarged trigger guard of the beretta 93R. if anyone could start a page for that, that would be awesome, i would do it, but unfortunatly, i dont know how to do it.
sincerely, spartanlord91
- Then learn how to.--PistolJunkie 12:02, 23 September 2011 (CDT)
Magazines
Can the 93R accept ordinary 92 magazines? Or just the standard 20-round ones? --Taurus96 07:43, 18 February 2012 (CST).
- Yes, the magazines are interchangeable. - bozitojugg3rn4ut 15:18, 18 February 2012 (CST)
- Awesome, thanks :D --Taurus96 16:27, 18 February 2012 (CST).
Another Overused Weapon
This is another weapon that, whether the real thing or a mock up, that, to me, seems to get way too much screen time given the fact that it has not actually been made in almost twenty years. As cool as I find the weapon it is another example of a firearm (like the USAS-12, AA-12 and SPAS-12) that is overused given its' rarity. Ok...rant ended. --Charon68 17:52, 18 February 2012 (CST)
Error regarding the non-firing variant
Hello,
the airsoft KSC 93R is listed on this page by mistake I believe, as the 93R model with horizontal flash hider(not compensator)holes actually does, or did exist; it was the first version of the weapon that was released before they made the holes horizontal which spread the flash better. They also removed the full-auto fire mode as it was too uncontrollable even with the added grip and stock.
Peace.
- Yeah, I agree that this information is incorrect. I am re-doing screencaps for Virtuosity in high-def, and the Beretta 93Rs in that movie have the flash hiders with vertical slants rather than three small holes. And those guns are clearly real blank-adapted weapons, not airsoft replicas with CGI muzzle flashes. Even if the 93R had never been produced with the M16-style flash hider, I would still expect armorers would replace the factory-standard flash hiders with a version that produces the largest muzzle flash possible, exactly as they tend to do with so many other types of weapons (i.e. M16A2s fitted with M16A1 flash hiders), since Hollywood loves guns to produce big flashes. -MT2008 (talk) 12:15, 14 December 2014 (EST)
- Interesting bit of info. TBH, most times I had seen that type of flash hider were on 92 mockups rather than genuine 93Rs, so whether or not it was a factory setup on real 93s or not I didn't consider. Otherwise I suppose I would just say those were modified flash hiders done by armorers like MT2008 stated - Makes sense given how that's something done on numerous other weapons. Thinking back on it now though, I do recall seeing those flash hiders on actual 93Rs - I believe the stock 93R in RoboCop 2 has it, for example. Again, it could be armorer modifications but it instead being an actual factory configuration certainly seems plausible to me. StanTheMan (talk) 16:03, 14 December 2014 (EST)
What is with the blade?
What purpose could the blade attached to the trigger guard POSSIBLY serve? User: 2wingo
It's not a blade. It's a folding handgrip. It's not very effective but it does help to control the muzzle rise. Rockwolf66 (talk) 19:26, 21 November 2012 (EST)
- Oh. Thanks! - User: 2wingo
Full-Auto Conversion
It says on the main page that full-auto converted 92FSs are often mocked up to look like the 93R, which can only fire in semi-auto or 3-round-Burst. This raises my question: Can a semi-automatic only firearm be converted to fire 3-round-Burst, or is it only possible to convert from semi-auto to full? - User: 2wingo
It is possible with some firearms. In the NFA community burst fire weapons are unpopular as the gun controls you not you controling the gun. With converted Beretta Model 92 bursts are a bad thing as they will eventually destroy the internals of the pistol. That's why you see full on magazine dumps with those. a Model 92 to a model 93R conversion would be alot more trouble than it's worth to most NFA manufacturers.Rockwolf66 (talk) 17:40, 28 November 2012 (EST)
- "the gun controls you not you controling the gun." What exactly do you mean? User: 2wingo
It means that the trigger is controlling how many bullets you fire rather than the user having the skills to fire as many bullets as needed. I don't get enough time with automatic weapons but with my admittedly limited experiance it's easy to fire a controled burst. Rockwolf66 (talk) 19:11, 28 November 2012 (EST)
- To answer your question, it will be a hell of a lot harder to convert a semi auto gun to burst fire as opposed to converting it to full. In order to convert a semi to full, you can accomplish this by modifying various parts of the gun such as the sear and disconnecter. However in order to get burst fire on a gun you need some sort of mechanism that counts the bullets in a burst, normally accomplished with some sort of cam. This would need to be entirely fabricated, or be a drop in existing part (for example, it may be possible to convert a 92FS to burt by using parts from a 93R but I'm not sure if they internally similar enough). --commando552 (talk) 19:25, 28 November 2012 (EST)
SA, DA or DAO?
What kind of action does this gun have? --Roman (talk) 06:47, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
- I believe it is single action only, the double action mechanism had to go to accommodate the burst function. Also, remember to sign your posts on talk pages, either by putting ~~~~ at the end or by just clicking the "Signature and timestamp" button at the top of the edit window. --commando552 (talk) 07:59, 11 September 2013 (EDT)