Talk:Kong: Skull Island: Difference between revisions
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Speaking of the C96, did Japan ever actually use them? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:18, 6 March 2021 (EST)
Speaking of the C96, did Japan ever actually use them? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:18, 6 March 2021 (EST)
:I believe so, they captures a lot of Mauers and clones from China. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:42, 7 March 2021 (EST)
::The Japanese never really adopted the C96 per-se, but the idea from taking one from China isn't impossible. They did allow officers to carry other sidearms beyond the standard issue, a C96 wouldn't be outside of the realm of possibility, either original production or a Spanish/Chinese clone. Stuff like FN 1910's and Walther PP's were popular with the IJA as well, a C96 would fit. --[[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 16:21, 7 March 2021 (EST)
:::I have seen Japanese C96 holsters on the surplus market which would give credence to Japanese officers choosing them, but with this sort of thing there is always the question of if it is genuinely what it claims to be. More solidly, there are examples of USGI bring back Broomhandles from the Pacific. I just noticed that on the Wiki page for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_military_equipment_of_World_War_II#Automatic_pistols_and_submachine_guns List of Japanese military equipment of World War II] it has the C96, along with calling it the "Type MO Large pistol". Anyone know wha that means, I have never heard that designation before. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:01, 7 March 2021 (EST)
::::MO almost certainly means Mauser Oberndorf but it could be conjecture from post war inventories of Japanese arms holdings and force classifying for easier categorization. Of course it could be invented whole cloth by the editor who added that, you never know without sources. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 12:57, 8 March 2021 (EST)
I don't think that's a 1911 sam jackson is using in that screenshot, looks more like a colt 1903 hammer --Toadvine (talk) 00:32, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
I think it looks like a Colt 1902 Model. [[1]]--Bad Boy (talk) 00:37, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
Yeah I think you're right--Toadvine (talk) 01:37, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
M16
Granted it's a blurry shot, but it looks to have the three-prong flash hider which would make it more likely an M16/SP1. StanTheMan (talk) 01:51, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
Yeah, I saw one in the BTS footage too, but I think there was also a birdcage.--Quarax (talk) 02:37, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
To be fair the SP1 can have (and is indeed seen) with A1-style flash-hiders as well as 3 prong. We really need a shot of the receiver to positively confirm. StanTheMan (talk) 16:21, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
The rifle in the second cap definitely has a forward assist, so that is an A1 (or perhaps an XM16E1, though that's less likely). The other one still has the 3-prong, making me think it's still an SP1. It could be an XM16E1 or even an A1 with the older flash hider fitted but both are very unlikely (the latter very much so). That said I think the two should be listed separately for the time being. StanTheMan (talk) 15:10, 18 August 2016 (EDT)
Can someone remind me when 30 round mags were introduced? Did they come out before or after the M203 was put into service? Excalibur01 (talk) 10:18, 9 March 2017 (EST)
I think that 30 rounders were first available in late 1970, and the M203 was adopted in 1969 so slightly earlier. I think they were very limited in 69 though, it would be another year or two before they started being widespread. However the film is set in 1973 so there is no anachronism with either though. I'm not sure, but i think the 30 rounders were mainly used with the carbines, so still having the 20 rounders in 1973 on M16s as seen here would probably be more common. On the topic of M16s, did anybody manage to keep track of what was going on with the SP1s/M16A1s? I couldn't decide if they were a random mix and everybody kept their own, or if they were randomly switching throughout the film. I know that Hiddleston's character used both, but I think he had an SP1 before they got on the boat and an A1 after so it may have been meant to be a different gun rather than a continuity error, but I doubt it. --commando552 (talk) 07:34, 14 March 2017 (EDT)
I'm actually glad they didn't use any CAR-15s on the fact that most likely they'll get it wrong and throw an M733 into this Excalibur01 (talk) 09:40, 16 March 2017 (EDT)
On the topic of the M16, it seems the page doesn't have any M16A1 shots. All the ones under the A1 entry are SP1s.
I call bullshit on Kong surviving barrages from a .50 cal, I get godzilla, he has scales and those are magnified what 100 times from like a gator, but Kong is just a huge ape, he has no protection, I hope they do something like Helos and planes can't fly on the island due to magnetic fields or some other cop out,so that Kong goes against only the main characters, that would be realistic,but a whole carrier a 60-70's era military would kill Kong in a few seconds.
Well, to be fair, the shot shows no indications that Kong is the one they are firing the .50 cal at. The trailer showed a giant spider like creature, and I do not doubt we'll see some of Skull Island's more notorious creatures. -User:1morey August 18, 2016 4:20 PM (EST)
We saw how the original Kong got killed from machine gun bullets from bi-planes and those were smaller caliber than the .50 Excalibur01 (talk) 17:08, 18 August 2016 (EDT)
Granted, this Kong is MUCH bigger than Peter Jackson's Kong, about Godzilla size. Mr. Wolf (talk) 01:39, 19 August 2016 (EDT)
Cross your fingers for a Godzilla vs King Kong made by Legendary Pictures crossed with Pacific Rim Excalibur01 (talk) 14:54, 19 August 2016 (EDT)
Well, they already have Godzilla 2 (With Rodan, Ghidorah, and Mothra scheduled for 2018) and Godzilla vs. Kong for 2020. I think Pacific Rim should be its own thing, didn't really care for it. -User:1morey August 20, 2016 8:37 AM (EST)
I just saw this movie and I have no idea where the .50 came from. They literally pulled it out of their ass for that scene. Excalibur01 (talk) 10:36, 13 March 2017 (EDT)
I'm glad you said that, I though I had just missed it somehow. I character just screams "set up the 50" and it is suddenly there. And to answer the initial concern, it isn't Kong they are shooting at but a skullcrawler, however it is only one of the small ones so that makes even less sense that it is totally ineffective (especially considering that its skin is thin enough that a camera flash shines through). That was one of my gripes with the movie, that bullets had basically zero effect on any of the creatures yet that is pretty much all they did in any of the fights. It especially annoyed me that the soldiers were carrying at lest two grenade launchers (and a very obvious full bandolier of grenades) but they were never used in the film, despite being probably the only weapon they were carrying that would realistically do anything. --commando552 (talk) 07:46, 14 March 2017 (EDT)
Captain Cole had the M79 and didn't use it once and the flamethrower guy also kinda came out of no where because I don't remember seeing him walk with Sam Jackson's group. Excalibur01 (talk) 10:16, 14 March 2017 (EDT)
You could actually see the flamethrower guy earlier in the film, part of the problem though is that they were really bad at establishing how many people there were with Jackson's group, it seemed to fluctuate wildly depending on the plot with people seeming to show up for the first time just to get killed. If we are talking about thing magically appearing, I feel I should mention the helicopters. There was a very clear establishing shot of the freighter which showed it had a Chinook on the bow, a Sea Stallion on the stern and then (I think)) five Hueys talking up the whole of the deck. However, a few seconds later there were somehow 10+ Hueys in the air, and then at the end of the film 3 more showed up. --commando552 (talk) 13:02, 14 March 2017 (EDT)
I think there were more helicopters inside the ship. I saw some kind of hanger to the rear of the ship where the Sea Stallion took off from. But yeah, there were more Heuys than the ship could clearly carry on deck. Excalibur01 (talk) 10:16, 15 March 2017 (EDT)
I missed the hanger but just looked on Youtube and it is actually in one of the trailers, and it holds 2 unarmed medevac Hueys. --commando552 (talk) 10:57, 15 March 2017 (EDT)
So they were hiding a 3rd one somewhere for the end?Excalibur01 (talk) 09:39, 16 March 2017 (EDT)
I also find it hilarious that both Marlow and Gunpei couldn't hit shit with their handguns at the ranges. It was funny kinda cartoony standoff they had, also kinda odd that Gunpei has a C96 instead of any of the typical Japanese pistol, but not entirely impossible. Officers in the Japanese military were encouraged to purchase their own personal handgun and a lot did because they recognize how inadequate the standard issued sidearms are. Excalibur01 (talk) 11:09, 20 March 2017 (EDT)
It's also never clear where exactly is Skull Island, so it's impossible to tell if any US battle groups were engaging the Japanese fleet and this late in the war, yeah...unlikely since by this time, pretty much all of the Japanese's carrier groups were destroyed, most at Midway. So this is very unlikely that either fighters could have made it to Skull Island, let along get pass the eternal storm that no one seems to know about. It's like they borrowed the island from the Tomb Raider remake game but made it into Skull Island. Excalibur01 (talk) 11:09, 20 March 2017 (EDT)
Also funny how a flare gun had some kind of explosive effect on the side of the big skull crawler. Makes me wonder what'll happen if they used the grenade launchers Excalibur01 (talk) 10:18, 14 March 2017 (EDT)
While we're on the subject of bullshit in this movie, what about that P-51 somehow magically ending up on Skull Island? Should've been a Hellcat, and in any case, the odds of such a fight happening in 1944 seem pretty slim to me. --That's the Way It's Done (talk) 22:19, 19 March 2017 (EDT)
Some P-51 units did serve in the Pacific, though I'm unsure of when or where exactly.--Mandolin (talk) 14:41, 20 March 2017 (EDT)
Which goes back to my question of where is Skull Island in relations to the Pacific War? Excalibur01 (talk) 15:07, 20 March 2017 (EDT)
The P-51 is a land based fighter, though, so if one crashed on Skull Island during a dogfight, then it would've had to have been within reach the plane's legs, especially when you realize it would've been using extra fuel fighting the Zero and fighting through the hurricane constantly around the island. The island can't actually be that far away if a land based fighter was able to reach it. Also, Zeros are carrier-based, so it seems odd to me an Axis carrier-based fighter is fighting an Allied land based fighter in 1944. I think this is more a matter of critical research failure, though; it should absolutely have been a Hellcat off a carrier.
Also, while we're on the subject, does it seem I dunno, just stupid how the Skull Crawlers' skin can resist a .50 machine gun burst but a katana can part it like butter?--That's the Way It's Done (talk) 20:08, 20 March 2017 (EDT)
P-51s were used in the Pacific flying from Iwo Jima, mainly flying to mainland Japan escorting B-29s. The first Mustangs were on Iwo Jima in March 1945, and I think this is the first time they were used in the Pacific so if that opening scene was in 1944 (I can't remember) then it is incorrect. Also, although Zeros where carrier planes there weren't that many carriers left after Midway, so most of the Zeros were flying from ground bases. As for the range of a Mustang, with tanks they can fly for 1500 miles, so draw a 750 mile circle around any island with a runway that the US captured and Skull Island should logically be in there somewhere. --commando552 (talk) 08:15, 21 March 2017 (EDT)
I will forget rag on the fact that monster movies or really any movie completely underestimate the power of the Ma Deuce. I think Rambo is one of the only time that shows us how destructive a .50 cal is. Also I am not letting go of the fact that they hid a .50 cal that needed to be "set up"...who the fuck was carrying it? The thing weighs like 80 lbs Excalibur01 (talk) 09:55, 21 March 2017 (EDT)
I looked through some of the trailers and B roll footage that they released, and you actually see it a couple of times, but you wouldn;t really know it and it is still totally unrealistic that somebody would be able to carry it like this. If you look at this bit of the B-roll footage, the character in the background has a canvas bag that you can just see the spade grips sticking out of:Error creating thumbnail: File missingYou can also see this bag earlier in the film when the two groups meet back up, but at this point it looks more like an empty sack that is not actually holding anything. There are many shots that are meant to show the whole group that he isn't in though, he comes and goes like a few other cannon fodder soldiers. Nobody else seems to be carrying any of the parts though (somebody else can be seen with 2 ammo cans) so must still be carrying the receiver, barrel and tripod, so it is 128 lbs. Even if we imagine that he could somehow carry it or they are sharing the weight, the M2HB actually takes a few minuted to put together as in this incarnation the barrel isn't quick change and needs to be head-spaced before it can be fired. By this point, they should have already been eaten, not that it really matters because as you say the machine gun doesn't actually do anything anyway. --commando552 (talk) 11:41, 21 March 2017 (EDT)
It annoys me a great deal when people just bust out an M2, the thing is a monster, carrying any part of it sucks. Been there, done that. Thursday (talk)
Please help ID
Please help ID this flare gun. --Ben41 (talk) 01:58, 8 March 2017 (EST)
I really doubt that a Hollywood prop company could get their hands on a fairly rare Type 10 Japanese flare gun, and while this looks close to it, it isn't. The finish is too dark and too nice looking for a fairly rare flare gun, combo that with the evident lanyard loop, different grip angle and much larger trigger guard, it looks to be an Orion Flare Gun that's being made to look like a period flare gun by being painted black.- PaperCake 13:54, 8 March 2017 (EST)
Yeah, that curved grip definitely makes me think Orion.--H3nry8adger1982 (talk) 19:52, 8 March 2017 (EST)H3nry8adger1982
Looks like a Webley & Scott No. 4 Mk. 1 to me. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 10:54, 9 March 2017 (EST)
Here is a production image. --Ben41 (talk) 13:18, 9 March 2017 (EST)
Yep, it's a 25mm Orion, painted black. Might be to masquerade it as a WWII-era M8 Flare gun. -- PaperCake 20:21, 9 March 2017 (EST)
I don't really know why they did that, as another character uses a real M8 at another point in the film. Maybe they didn't like how it looked in her hand so chose a smaller gun, or perhaps it is because she is firing it towards the camera and they wanted something of a smaller calibre that they could control more easily. --commando552 (talk) 07:54, 14 March 2017 (EDT)
Mauser C96
Does anybody know what that grooved bit on the front of the box magazine is? The Mauser C96 used by Harrison Ford in Star Wars has one like it (painted black however). - user:1morey November 8, 2017 11:38 AM (EST)
Obviously an aftermarket grip for a more comfortable second-hand holding at the magazine. Not that it is a common thing (in fact, the search did not return anything). --Slon95 (talk) 19:30, 6 March 2021 (EST)
That seems like a good idea on the surface, but in reality it would be pretty useless. You would only normally want to grip the magazine if you were using it as a stocked pistol, and at that point with this "grip" it would no longer fit in the holster stock. I imagine that this is something that has been randomly bubbad on by a previous owner and has not practical real world origin. For reference, the thing on Han Solo's pisotl is totally different, it is a piece of a cylindrical metal heat sink that has been cut up and stuck on the front, whereas this is a different shape and appears to be made of wood or bakelite. --commando552 (talk) 11:37, 7 March 2021 (EST)
Speaking of the C96, did Japan ever actually use them? Spartan198 (talk) 19:18, 6 March 2021 (EST)
I believe so, they captures a lot of Mauers and clones from China. --commando552 (talk) 11:42, 7 March 2021 (EST)
The Japanese never really adopted the C96 per-se, but the idea from taking one from China isn't impossible. They did allow officers to carry other sidearms beyond the standard issue, a C96 wouldn't be outside of the realm of possibility, either original production or a Spanish/Chinese clone. Stuff like FN 1910's and Walther PP's were popular with the IJA as well, a C96 would fit. --PaperCake 16:21, 7 March 2021 (EST)
I have seen Japanese C96 holsters on the surplus market which would give credence to Japanese officers choosing them, but with this sort of thing there is always the question of if it is genuinely what it claims to be. More solidly, there are examples of USGI bring back Broomhandles from the Pacific. I just noticed that on the Wiki page for List of Japanese military equipment of World War II it has the C96, along with calling it the "Type MO Large pistol". Anyone know wha that means, I have never heard that designation before. --commando552 (talk) 18:01, 7 March 2021 (EST)
MO almost certainly means Mauser Oberndorf but it could be conjecture from post war inventories of Japanese arms holdings and force classifying for easier categorization. Of course it could be invented whole cloth by the editor who added that, you never know without sources. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 12:57, 8 March 2021 (EST)
Browning M2 Aircraft
The page says that the ball turret and these guns were apparently salvaged from a B-17. However, Marlow specifically says that he and Ikari began building the boat from parts of their aircraft, a P-51 and a Zero, and a B-29 that crashed on the beach. Obviously the ball turret can't come from the fighters and the B-29 only had remote control turrets and a tail gunner, not the ball turret seen in the movie. Are we just assuming that the ball turret came from a B-17? The B-24, which used the same turret, was the predominant heavy bomber in the Pacific so if the turret was scrounged from an aircraft other than the three Marlow mentions, it is more like to have come from a Liberator than a B-17. Since Marlow only mentions those three aircraft, though, I'd say this was a goof.
You're right, both the B-17 and the B-24 had the Sperry ball turret. The bigger goof might be the spade grips. --Funkychinaman (talk) 15:26, 7 November 2019 (EST)
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