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{{Infobox TV|{{PAGENAME}}
|picture = Babylon Berlin se2.jpg
|country = [[File:GER.jpg|25px]] Germany
|channel = Sky Deutschland
|genre = Crime
|dates = November 10, -<br /> December 1, 2017
|episodes = 8
|character1=Gereon Rath
|actor1=[[Volker Bruch]]
|character2=Charlotte Ritter
|actor2=[[Liv Lisa Fries]]
|character3=Alfred Nyssen
|actor3=[[Lars Eidinger]]
|character4=Reinhold Gräf
|actor4=[[Christian Friedel]]
|character5=Gottfried Wendt
|actor5=[[Benno Fürmann]]
|character6=Helga Rath
|actor6=[[Hannah Herzsprung]]
|character7=Samuel Katelbach
|actor7=[[Karl Markovics]]
}}
{{TV Title Season|2|Babylon Berlin}}
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{{spoilers}}
=Pistols=
==Dreyse Model 1907==
Gereon Rath uses his [[Dreyse Model 1907]] throughout the series.
[[Image:Dreyse 1907.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Dreyse 1907 - 7.65mm Browning]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-DreyseE8-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|(Ep. 16).]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-DreyseE8-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|(Ep. 16).]]
==J.P. Sauer & Sohn Model 1926==
Czerwinski ([[Rüdiger Klink]]) is seen with his [[Sauer 1913]] pistol in Episode 10 while arresting Soviet agents.
[[Image:Sauer_1913.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Sauer Model 1913 - .32 ACP]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-JPSauer1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Like in the first season, Czerwinski points his pistol at Michail Fallin (Waléra Kanischtscheff).]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-JPSauer-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A blurry right sight view of the Sauer pistol.]]
==Walther Model 4==
Unlike Czerwinski's Sauer pistol, the [[Walter Model 4]] of Henning ([[Thorsten Merten]]) is used in two episodes.
[[File:Walther mod 4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther Model 4 - .32 ACP]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-WaltherPistol1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"''Now it's closing time here!''" <br />Henning interrupts an illegal boxing match.]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-WaltherPistol2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|He orders his men to arrest the Soviet agents (Ep. 10).]]
[[File:Ddss.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henning keeps calm the two agents with his Walther, during Gereon's negotiation with ambassador Trochin ([[Denis Burgazliev]]) outside.]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-WaltherPistol3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another angle of this scene shows the rear part (Ep. 11).]]
==Tokarev TT-30/TT-33==
The anachronistic TT pistol of the Soviet agent Grigori Selenskij ([[Dmitri Alexandrov]]) is briefly seen in Episode 10.
[[File:TT-30.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Tokarev TT-30, first version of Tokarev pistol - 7.62x25mm Tokarev.]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-TT1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A police officer takes Grigori's TT on the left.]]
==Luger P08==
[[Luger]] pistols are used by actors, Police officers and ''Reichswehr'' soldiers.
[[File:P08Luger1917.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm Parabellum]]
[[File:Play.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Actors fires blanks from Luger P08 in a stage play (Ep. 14).]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Luger1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A detailed view of the other side. (Ep. 14).]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Luger2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Geroen holds a Luger at Sheer's backhead (Ep. 14).]]
[[File:Luglib.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bruno steals a P08 Luger from a dead soldier (Ep. 16).]]
[[File:Fgg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bruno takes aim with his stolen P08 Luger (Ep. 16).]]
==Astra 300==
Jonny ([[Wolfgang Lindner]]), the main bodyguard of the Armenian is briefly seen with his [[Astra 300]] pistol.
[[File:Astra 300.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Astra 300 - .380 Auto]]
[[File:Asasd.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gereon imagines the murder of one of his colleagues (Ep. 10).]]
[[File:De3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jonny holds his Astra near the stopped train (Ep. 16)]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-AstraE8-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henning (right) with Jonny's Astra (Ep. 16)]]
==Ortgies Pocket Automatic==
Bruno Wolter's ([[Peter Kurth]]) [[Ortgies Pocket Pistol]] is used by him and Geroen.
[[File:Ortgies Pocket Automatic 25.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Ortgies Pocket Pistol - .25 ACP]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-OrtgiesE8-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bruno removes his pistol from his coat.]]
[[File:Ortgiesconf.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gereon Rath tucks Bruno's Ortgies Pocket Automatic into his waistband.]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-OrtgiesE8-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lat on the train, Gereon raises the Ortgies to aim.]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-OrtgiesE8-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After a shootout, he checks the magazine.]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-OrtgiesE8-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Brass check (Ep. 16).]]
==Mauser C96==
A suppressed [[Mauser C96]] with stock is used by one of the Armenian's henchmen.
[[File:C96STOCK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|C96 "Broomhandle" Mauser fitted with holster/stock combo - 7.63x25mm Mauser]]
[[File:Broomsup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The henchman approaches the train with his C96.]]
[[File:Broomsup2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closer and different view shows the stock (Ep. 16).]]
==Colt M1911A1==
Edgar "The Armenian" Kasabian ([[Misel Maticevic]]) uses his nickel Plated [[Colt M1911A1]]. Some of his henchmen including Max Fuchs ([[Sebastian Urzendowsky]] can be seen with standard Colts.
[[Image:Colt1911A1PreWar.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Pre-War Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Colte8Henchmen1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Colte8Henchmen2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Colte8Henchmen3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:NickelPlatedM1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Nickel Plated M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Colte8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After he frightened the Reds, he gives his Colt a rest (Ep. 16).]]
=Revolvers=
==Webley Bulldog==
Samuel Katelbach ([[Karl Markovics]])
[[File:WebleyBulldog.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Webley British Bulldog - .45 caliber]]
==Nagant M1895==
A communist is seen with a [[Nagant M1895]] in Episode 16.
[[File:Nagant-1895.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Nagant M1895 Revolver - 7.62x38R Nagant. This example was dated 1939 manufacture and was a Wartime issued weapon. Note the angular front sight which was used from 1930s.]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Nagant1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The communist starts pointing his Nagant revolver at Geroen's head.]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Nagant2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the position of the guide rod that magically changed.]]
=Submachine Guns=
==Steyr MP34==
Moritz Rath ([[Ivo Pietzcker]]) and Bruno can be seen with a [[Steyr MP34|MP34]] in Episode 13.
[[File:Mp34.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr-Solothurn S1-100 - 7,65 mm Luger, 9 mm Parabellum, 9 mm Steyr.]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-SteyrMP1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After discovering the MP34 in the hidden weapon crate, Moritz inserts the side magazine.]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-SteyrMP2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Impressed by this gun he looks through the sights...]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-SteyrMP3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|... and plays around.]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-SteyrMP4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"''Can you handle it?''"<br />Bruno finishes the reload by racking the charging handle.]]
==Haenel-Schmeisser MP28/II==
During the vision of the "Unternehmen Prangatag" in Episode 13, some ''Schwarze Reichswehr'' soldiers are armed with [[MP28]]s.
[[File:Mp28.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Haenel-Schmeisser MP28/II Submachine Gun - 9x19mm]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-MP1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier jumps out from a truck holding his MP.]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-MP2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soldiers march toward the backside of the ''Reichstag'' building. Two MPs can be seen on the right.]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-MP3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|More soldiers storming the Berlin Police HQ "''Rote Burg''".]]
=Rifles=
==Mauser Gewehr 1888/05==
A Gewehr 88/05 is seen hanging in Bruno Wolter's living room that he takes to give it to Moritz who fans it. As in Season 1, German soldiers including Gereon Rath in 1918 are also armed with this rifle.
[[File:G88_05.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Gewehr 1888/05 - 7.92x57mm.]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-G88-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"''Is this a G88?'"The rifle is seen hanging on the wall alongside a bayonet.]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-G88-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"''Yes it is a G88. It has served me faithfully and is now in a well-deserved retirement.'"]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-G88-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bruno offers Moritz to try out his old friend]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-G88-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"''Take aim!''"<br /> What he does not reject (Ep. 09).]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-G88-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moritz keeps watch with the G88 in the night (Ep. 11).]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-G88-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A G88 next to the soldier in center (Ep. 16).]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-G88-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gereon takes cover with his Gewehr (Ep. 16).]]
==Mauser Gewehr 1898==
''Reichswehr'' and Berlin police forces use [[Gewehr 1898]]s.
[[Image:Mauser g98.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mauser Gewehr 1898 - 7.92x57mm.]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Gewehr0.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soldiers jumping out a truck (Ep. 13).]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Gewehr1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two police officers control Gereon outside the theater (Ep. 14).]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Gewehr1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Major Beck ([[Joachim Paul Assböck]]) and his men going to take over the train. Note the crest on the buttstock of the rifle that is also seen in the hands of a police officer in the first season (Ep. 16).]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Gewehr2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|His soldiers pointing Mausers at the two locomotive drivers (Ep. 16).]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Gewehr3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Left side view of the soldiers (Ep. 16).]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Gewehr4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another closer view (Ep. 16).]]
==Mosin Nagant 1891/30==
Two Soviet soldiers can be seen in front of the Soviet embassy in ''Berlin Mitte'' armed with [[Mosin Nagant M91/30]] rifles with fixed bayonets.
[[File:M9130.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Full-length Mosin Nagant M91/30 - 7.62x54mmR]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Mosin1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The soldiers in front of the embassy building (Ep. 10).]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Mosin2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Night watch (Ep. 11).]]
==Haenel-Mannlicher Takedown (?)==
Bruno Wolter and Major Scheer ([[Florian Panzner]]) use takedown sporter rifles with mounted scopes in Episode 14.
[[File:Wff.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Bruno Wolter is seen assembling the two halves of the rifle.]]
[[File:Dtv.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Bruno Wolter is seen putting a scope on what appears to be a Haenel-Manlicher type rifle. Also worth noting the double triggers, and the band where the barrel meets the receiver.]]
[[File:Full.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Bruno Wolter is seen taking aim with the rifle.]]
=Machine Guns=
==Maxim MG 08==
A [[MG08]] with muzzle disk is manned by two soldiers in Episode 13. During the repeated WWI flashback, in Episode 16, two Maxims can be seen.
[[File:MaximMG08.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Maxim MG08 on 'sledge' mount - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Maxim0.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The two soldiers on the left operating the Maxim on a truck (Ep. 13).]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Maxim1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another Maxim in the German trench next to Gereon.]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Maxim2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Maxim seen in the distance (Ep. 16).]]
==Schwarzlose M.07/12==
The Austrian [[Schwarzlose Machine Gun Model 07/12|Schwarzlose M.07/12]] machine gun is also briefly seen in the same flashback.
[[Image:Schwarz 07-12.jpeg|thumb|none|400px|Schwarzlose MG M. 7/12 - 8x50mmR Mannlicher.]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Schwarzlose.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gereon in front of the Schwarzlose, the tripod can be seen.]]
=Hand Grenades=
==M1917 Chemical Grenade==
In Episode 16, several Russian [[M1917 Chemical Hand Grenade]]s are carried by Henning in his backpack that he uses off-screen.
[[File:Russian Gas Hand Grenade M1917.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1917 Chemical hand grenade]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Gasgrenade0.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The end of the stock is seen in the backpack.]]
[[File:BabylonBerlinS2-Gasgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the gas grenade unleashes a suspicious white cloud.]]
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== Discussion ==
== Discussion ==


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:I uploaded new pictures in slightly better quality. I hope they will help. Speaking of, can you also help me with a pistol ID in the third season? I will upload some pictures there soon--[[User:HighPhigh|HighPhigh]] ([[User talk:HighPhigh|talk]]) 05:09, 5 November 2020 (EST)
:I uploaded new pictures in slightly better quality. I hope they will help. Speaking of, can you also help me with a pistol ID in the third season? I will upload some pictures there soon--[[User:HighPhigh|HighPhigh]] ([[User talk:HighPhigh|talk]]) 05:09, 5 November 2020 (EST)
::Thanks, now I can say that it's really a Walther Mod 4. The visually short slide was only the effect of the angle of view. Concerning Season 3, I'll try some photoshop magic on dark screenshots, maybe it would help to identify the pistols. --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 06:24, 5 November 2020 (EST)
::Thanks, now I can say that it's really a Walther Mod 4. The visually short slide was only the effect of the angle of view. Concerning Season 3, I'll try some photoshop magic on dark screenshots, maybe it would help to identify the pistols. --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 06:24, 5 November 2020 (EST)
Speaking about the takedown rifle: as we can see [https://www.google.ru/search?q=%22Haenel-Mannlicher%22&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwigpsrvsI_tAhVKlosKHUtxAOoQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=%22Haenel-Mannlicher%22&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1D5lgZYsrAGYJqzBmgAcAB4AIABjQGIAYgDkgEDMC4zmAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=w8y2X-C4IMqsrgTL4oHQDg&bih=607&biw=1173&hl=ru via google], Haenel-Mannlicher rifles tend to have the bolt handle placed forwards to the trigger, while the screen gun has the bolt handle placed different. I have little knowledge of these hunting rifles but as for me, the rifle may be a kind of Mauser Sporter. Maybe Rigby or Westley Richards rifles, they all have Mauser action. This is only a guess, maybe I'm wrong. --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:05, 19 November 2020 (EST)
:[https://www.gunsamerica.com/945839924/Krieghoff-Pre-War-Mauser-9-3x62-calibe.htm Krieghoff Pre-War Mauser 9.3x62] - NOT a takedown gun, but otherwise very similar, with butterknife style bolt handle and double trigger set. --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:19, 19 November 2020 (EST)

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Discussion

Sorry, I can't wait until you create the page :) Don't you think that the pistol, identified as Walther Mod 4, looks somewhat strange? The trigger guard is too close to the front of the slide. I have no idea what it can be if not Model 4, but still it's strange. --Greg-Z (talk) 13:48, 4 November 2020 (EST)

I uploaded new pictures in slightly better quality. I hope they will help. Speaking of, can you also help me with a pistol ID in the third season? I will upload some pictures there soon--HighPhigh (talk) 05:09, 5 November 2020 (EST)
Thanks, now I can say that it's really a Walther Mod 4. The visually short slide was only the effect of the angle of view. Concerning Season 3, I'll try some photoshop magic on dark screenshots, maybe it would help to identify the pistols. --Greg-Z (talk) 06:24, 5 November 2020 (EST)

Speaking about the takedown rifle: as we can see via google, Haenel-Mannlicher rifles tend to have the bolt handle placed forwards to the trigger, while the screen gun has the bolt handle placed different. I have little knowledge of these hunting rifles but as for me, the rifle may be a kind of Mauser Sporter. Maybe Rigby or Westley Richards rifles, they all have Mauser action. This is only a guess, maybe I'm wrong. --Greg-Z (talk) 15:05, 19 November 2020 (EST)

Krieghoff Pre-War Mauser 9.3x62 - NOT a takedown gun, but otherwise very similar, with butterknife style bolt handle and double trigger set. --Greg-Z (talk) 15:19, 19 November 2020 (EST)