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== Mosin Nagant M1938 Carbine == | == Mosin Nagant M1938 Carbine == | ||
[[File:Lavina s gor-Mosin-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kabardians carry M38 Carbines.]] | [[File:Lavina s gor-Mosin-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kabardians carry M38 Carbines.]] | ||
[[File:Lavina s gor-Mosin-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Horse thief Karo (Barasbi | [[File:Lavina s gor-Mosin-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Horse thief Karo ([[Barasbi Mulayev]]), Ansor's foster brother, carries an M38 Carbine.]] | ||
[[File:Lavina s gor-Mosin-8.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cossacks with M38 Carbines.]] | [[File:Lavina s gor-Mosin-8.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cossacks with M38 Carbines.]] | ||
[[File:Lavina s gor-Mosin-11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mashuka fires.]] | [[File:Lavina s gor-Mosin-11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mashuka fires.]] | ||
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Is this gun can be seen more closely or from any other angle? [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 19:20, 14 August 2018 (EDT) | Is this gun can be seen more closely or from any other angle? [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 19:20, 14 August 2018 (EDT) | ||
:There is some (very minor) possibility that one of these guns is Tanegasima. But it also can be some kind of Central Asian ''Karamultuk'' that also appeared with a "grip-stock", or it can be just a common musket with a broken buttstock (for example, Cossack muskets and rifles, until Berdan, tend to have similar looking small button without a guard instead of usual trigger). As there is no other view of these guns, they aren't seen clear enough to make a confident decision, so let it be just a number of antuque long guns. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:38, 15 August 2018 (EDT) | :There is some (very minor) possibility that one of these guns is Tanegasima. But it also can be some kind of Central Asian ''Karamultuk'' that also appeared with a "grip-stock", or it can be just a common musket with a broken buttstock (for example, Cossack muskets and rifles, until Berdan, tend to have similar looking small button without a guard instead of usual trigger). As there is no other view of these guns, they aren't seen clear enough to make a confident decision, so let it be just a number of antuque long guns. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:38, 15 August 2018 (EDT) | ||
::I create a few screenshots of this scene and photoshoped it (Croping, changing the contraste and bright and adding the scaled and mirrored image of real tanegashima gun - for comprassion). Note, that the tanegashimas has the lack on the right side, but, I had mirrored the gun image for the more similar position with screen gun. About possibility of appearense the tanegashima on Mosfilm Studio - the number of produced tanegashimas is a many hundred thousands (it was one of the most produced antique guns) and the gun laws of the pre-war Japan were the much freely. So, the antique gun may be used as the wall decoration or the part of private collection. After the Soviet–Japanese War it can be easely appeared in the Mosfilm armory (among with the more than 3300 other guns). [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 18:02, 18 October 2018 (EDT) | |||
[[Image:Lavina s gor photoshoped 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The screen gun had the similar pistol gripped stock and lack of any barrel bands (typical reeses of the near all Jezails and karamultuks).]] | |||
[[Image:Lavina s gor photoshoped 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note, that the guns changes its positions. Due the curved stock, it seems, that's it's genuine shape and note the broken or sawn-off. This gun also had the similar lenght like the other, fully stocked guns.]] | |||
[[Image:Lavina s gor photoshoped 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The lack of barrel bands can be seen again.]] | |||
[[Image:Lavina s gor photoshoped 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The lack of barrel bands, this is the only gun with this reese. All other guns has the barrel bands.]] | |||
[[Image:Lavina s gor photoshoped 5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
I see what you mean. Yes, it's a possible guess, as I said earlier. There are also Central Asian muskets with similar outlook ([http://goskatalog.ru/portal/#/collections?id=13857000], [http://goskatalog.ru/portal/#/collections?id=13879622], [http://goskatalog.ru/portal/#/collections?id=13879597]). You are welcome to make edits if you are sure. As for me, I prefer not to make strict identifications for such ancient guns. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 07:51, 20 October 2018 (EDT) | |||
:I agree, this ancient guns has the rather similar reeses, so, the screen gun is most likely the some type of karamultuk. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 18:22, 20 October 2018 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 22:22, 20 October 2018
Special Thanks
The idea and screenshots are provided by AVSniff, forum.guns.ru. Greg-Z (talk) 14:51, 14 August 2018 (EDT)
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Mosin Nagant M1938 Carbine
Some guess aboute one of the long guns
Maybe just for me, but one of the long guns are tanegashima. As far, as I know, tanegashima was the only antique long firearm, which lack the full leinght buttstock. The shape of the grip-stock is also similar (maybe just for me). Despute the lock isn't seen, percussion tanegashimas was also existed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Japanese_19th_century_percussion_pistol_1.jpg
Is this gun can be seen more closely or from any other angle? Pyramid Silent (talk) 19:20, 14 August 2018 (EDT)
- There is some (very minor) possibility that one of these guns is Tanegasima. But it also can be some kind of Central Asian Karamultuk that also appeared with a "grip-stock", or it can be just a common musket with a broken buttstock (for example, Cossack muskets and rifles, until Berdan, tend to have similar looking small button without a guard instead of usual trigger). As there is no other view of these guns, they aren't seen clear enough to make a confident decision, so let it be just a number of antuque long guns. Greg-Z (talk) 03:38, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
- I create a few screenshots of this scene and photoshoped it (Croping, changing the contraste and bright and adding the scaled and mirrored image of real tanegashima gun - for comprassion). Note, that the tanegashimas has the lack on the right side, but, I had mirrored the gun image for the more similar position with screen gun. About possibility of appearense the tanegashima on Mosfilm Studio - the number of produced tanegashimas is a many hundred thousands (it was one of the most produced antique guns) and the gun laws of the pre-war Japan were the much freely. So, the antique gun may be used as the wall decoration or the part of private collection. After the Soviet–Japanese War it can be easely appeared in the Mosfilm armory (among with the more than 3300 other guns). Pyramid Silent (talk) 18:02, 18 October 2018 (EDT)
I see what you mean. Yes, it's a possible guess, as I said earlier. There are also Central Asian muskets with similar outlook ([1], [2], [3]). You are welcome to make edits if you are sure. As for me, I prefer not to make strict identifications for such ancient guns. Greg-Z (talk) 07:51, 20 October 2018 (EDT)
- I agree, this ancient guns has the rather similar reeses, so, the screen gun is most likely the some type of karamultuk. Pyramid Silent (talk) 18:22, 20 October 2018 (EDT)