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I think it pretty obvious that those were mp5pdw in the movie, for you can see clearly the hinge of the foldable stock in both screenshots.
:nope, the MP5K-PDW has an extended barrel, the ones in the film do not --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 13:03, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
::In the first pic he's using a sling. In the second pic, yes it does have the folding stock. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:42, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Wouldn't the G36 in the film be a normal G36 and not the G36E seeing as the G36's used in the film have the Dual sights and not just the lower sight.
Wouldn't the G36 in the film be a normal G36 and not the G36E seeing as the G36's used in the film have the Dual sights and not just the lower sight.
:Well, the carry handle with the dual sights can be purchased and put on a G36E if need be. My understanding is that the only difference between a regular G36 and the 'E' models is that Bundeswehr get the dual sights for free, whereas other customers would have to pay extra for it.
:That being said, I have this movie on DVD, and the receiver of the gun shown in a close-up at the beginning clearly just says, "G36". I think Kurt Wimmer says on the DVD commentary that the German government loaned weapons to the production (which is why you see so many G36s, MP5s, Walther MPKs, H&K G3s, etc. - all weapons that German military and police use).
-ahhh I see ,thanks for clearing that up. Still may be normal G36 since you said the German Gov't loaned them weapons.
:Don't quote me on that because I might be wrong and I might have mis-interpreted the DVD commentary. But the fact that the receiver of one of the movie guns just says "G36" (instead of "G36E") is suspicious because I'm pretty sure all "E" guns are marked as such.
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Wow, nice catch there - that front sight is an AKM's. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 20:50, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Wow, nice catch there - that front sight is an AKM's. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 20:50, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
== M16A2 to Beretta AR70 ==
I think the guy who wrote about the M16 to the AR70 is mistaken. If you watch closely, Preston fights the first Sweeper and takes his M16 before dumping it and going to the next guy who was clearly holding an AR70. He then smacks the gun and it turns his way. There is no continuity error there.
:No, I'm afraid I'm not. The gun he takes from the Sweeper and holds on the other is an AR70, but it is an M16A2 in a single close-up. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
== H&K UMP ==
During the raid on the nethers (the one after brandt confronts preston during a sparring session) I think one of the Sweepers is using a H&K UMP but I'm not sure, the big hints to me are the front & rear sights and that you can see through the long vent lines in the foregrip.
here it is at 1:15 :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwL7Zf1qRIE&feature=related
-[[User:AdAstra2009]]
:Nope, those are all the Walther MPKs, which have already been repped on this page. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:12, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
== Armored Sweepers ==
I'm curious, anyone know the type of body armor that is used by the Armored Sweeper teams in the film? -[[User:AdAstra2009]]
:It's some kind of riot control vest. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's probably something made in Germany and used by LE agencies there. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
So I'm guessing since it's riot control it probably won't stop bullets, shame it looks effective and intimidating with the neck protection, thanks BTW -[[User:AdAstra2009]]
I think I saw the same body armor in the German movie ''[[Baader Meinhof Complex, The (Der Baader Meinhof Komplex)]]''
== Uzi or MPi 69 ==
I took this screencap thinking it was an Uzi but if you look at the top there is no charging handle and the top is also too flat to be an Uzi, I thought it might be a rubber cast of an uzi but I looked at the scene again and you see it firing so it's not some rubber prop. I think it's a Steyr MPi 69 but the trigger guard looks a bit off, Any other ideas? --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:37, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:Equilibriumuziend.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:I think it is indeed an MPi-69 or -81 (depends on the type of cocking handle, which is not visible). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
== S&W Model 40 ==
That's not a S&W Model 40, you can still see part of a hammer. Might be a bobbed Model 36 or similar.
== Unknown Blackout handgun ==
If anyone knows what handgun this is that would be helpful. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:04, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:Epistolblackout.jpg|thumb|600px|none]]
Think it might be a Glock 17.
No offence to anyone here, but if you manage to accurately ID that gun visually, you've either got too much time on your hands, or spend too much time around guns.
:If you are on this site then you have no business saying that --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 21:11, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
::It was a joke based off the fact that all you can see is a handle. A generic handle.
And a serial number underneath the dustcover--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 00:00, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Speaking of the handle, it looks too curved to be a Glock 17, though that might just be because of how the actor is gripping it. Honestly, though, the handle looks like that of a revolver to me. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
it appears to be a Browning/FN Hi-Power
==Bobbed hammer Smith & Wesson Model 36 or Bobbed Hammer Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snubnose==
I'm trying to determine whether this firearm is a Model 36 or a Model 10.
By the look of cylinder, it holds 6 rounds which could make it a Model 10 as oppose to the 5 on the Model 36(judging by the location of the flutes on the cylinder)
[[Image:Equilibriumrevolver2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A snubnose revolver pressed to Preston's head.]]
Any opinions? --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:55, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
== M92 slide and barrel look-a-likes for sale? ==
My brother saw the movie and would love to get a 92 with the same slide and barrel, is there a source for these? --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:02, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
:There isn't a kit like that for a real 92F (There's no "M" on the 92). [http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tetragrammaton+cleric+M9 As for replicas...] --[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 03:02, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
I thought it was called a M92 like Model 92
:No. Beretta never puts an "M" on any of their handguns with the one exception being the U.S. Military's M9.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 07:47, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
ah, well thanks for clearing that up for me. -FIVETWOSEVEN
== Why couldn't the Belgian government deliver? ==
I find it hard to believe that the Belgian government couldn't lend or sell Kurt Wimmer some real FN P90s to use in this film, given how often Stargate SG-1 was making heavy use of them around the same time period as the release of this film. Might anyone know why this was so? Was it too expensive to arrange the transfer or something else?
Also, should this page be organized into a table of contents, given how many firearms there are in this film? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 03:26, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
== Normal 92fs trigger guard in finale ==
I would at first have said that Preston was given a different model of the gun, but the trigger guard is the same. I may also say that the material that the guns are built from are not indestructable, so the gun may have been damaged and a quick replacement may have been needed, because if you look closely enough before the slide locks back indicating it is empty, the hammer is different to that of earlier in the film (when Preston kills Errol Partridge). However I am just exploring another reason.
== About the loaned G36s ==
I was thinking -the film was loaned G36s from the German Government for production of the film; Wouldn't this be problematic seeing as the G36s that are on loan from the Government are unmodified G36s meant for actual combat and are not blank converted? Or does the German Government have blank converted G36s for some reason? Sorry for crappy grammar --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 18:20, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
They might have a drop in blank converter that fits inside the barrel and doesn't stick out.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:58, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:Even if that is true then how come they don't do that to all movie guns so that they don't permanently lose their ability to fire live ammo instead of converting them. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 00:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure, maybe they got spare G36 barrels they converted.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 00:09, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
:Given the trigger pack seen here:
:[[Image:EG36firegroup.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
:Is it possible that they just borrowed a bunch of spare G36 furnishings and put them on some armourer's blank-fire converted SL8s? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 00:35, 22 August 2017 (EDT)
::I doubt it, converting an SL8 into the shape of a G36 is a massive job requiring cutting up the receiver and epoxying bits back together, and even if that was done the markings would still be SL8 ones and this gun is marked as a G36. I don't really know what the story is with the loaned guns in this film, but if they were loaned be the German Government then they could of coarse be police weapons that only have the SF trigger. They could also be military weapons that have been given a semi only trigger for legal reasons, in that rather than letting the production own machine guns they are instead then just rifles. The trigger housing is also an incredibly easy part to swap so it is far more likely that this gun is a G36 with a swapped trigger housing rather than it being an SL8 dressed up as a G36. Furthermore, that trigger housing is not an SL8 one anyway, as the SL8 one is built into the stock and has a totally different construction. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:10, 22 August 2017 (EDT)
:::Just for comparison, this is generally as close a replica to a G36 as you get from starting with an SL8, and if you look at the back of the receiver and the markings you can clearly tell that it is not a real G36:[[File:Furious7 508.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]Note that this trigger housing is a G36 one, this is because as soon as you want to get rid of the SL8 stock you have to throw awway the whole thing including the trigger housing and use a G36 with a special stock adapter as seen here. You could potentially cut off the rear of the receiver an remodel it to take a G36 stock and trigger pack without the adapter, but at this point you would need to be cutting off the serial number of the gun (which is at the very rear of the receiver on SL8s through a window in the polymer) which is probably illegal in most places. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:17, 22 August 2017 (EDT)
::::Now that I have thought about it for a minute, I'm not sure that there even is a G36 trigger pack that is just SF marked, the semi only guns use pictograms. Isn't that gun pictured above just an SEF gun and the selector is covering the "E"? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:23, 22 August 2017 (EDT)
== Format update ==
:I spend some time to update the design to this page, had been overdue by a few years :-) No changes at all to text or whatever. Saw this movie a couple of days ago and was absolutely blown away; Matrix/Blade: eat your heart out! [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 07:44, 27 January 2015 (EST)
::I fixed a slight error you made [Didn't add the first (=) for the SMG section] and put Shotguns before Rifles. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:41, 27 January 2015 (EST)
:::Thanks a lot, even though I checked several times I knew there was something, [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 09:53, 27 January 2015 (EST)
Wouldn't the G36 in the film be a normal G36 and not the G36E seeing as the G36's used in the film have the Dual sights and not just the lower sight.
Well, the carry handle with the dual sights can be purchased and put on a G36E if need be. My understanding is that the only difference between a regular G36 and the 'E' models is that Bundeswehr get the dual sights for free, whereas other customers would have to pay extra for it.
That being said, I have this movie on DVD, and the receiver of the gun shown in a close-up at the beginning clearly just says, "G36". I think Kurt Wimmer says on the DVD commentary that the German government loaned weapons to the production (which is why you see so many G36s, MP5s, Walther MPKs, H&K G3s, etc. - all weapons that German military and police use).
-ahhh I see ,thanks for clearing that up. Still may be normal G36 since you said the German Gov't loaned them weapons.
Don't quote me on that because I might be wrong and I might have mis-interpreted the DVD commentary. But the fact that the receiver of one of the movie guns just says "G36" (instead of "G36E") is suspicious because I'm pretty sure all "E" guns are marked as such.
the AK47
the picture of the ak47 looks more like an AKM to me. The size of the front site and the size of the gas block are what made me think. I don't want to make any changes without asking anybody else first though
Yup, AKM.
Wow, nice catch there - that front sight is an AKM's. bunni 20:50, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
M16A2 to Beretta AR70
I think the guy who wrote about the M16 to the AR70 is mistaken. If you watch closely, Preston fights the first Sweeper and takes his M16 before dumping it and going to the next guy who was clearly holding an AR70. He then smacks the gun and it turns his way. There is no continuity error there.
No, I'm afraid I'm not. The gun he takes from the Sweeper and holds on the other is an AR70, but it is an M16A2 in a single close-up. -MT2008 04:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
H&K UMP
During the raid on the nethers (the one after brandt confronts preston during a sparring session) I think one of the Sweepers is using a H&K UMP but I'm not sure, the big hints to me are the front & rear sights and that you can see through the long vent lines in the foregrip.
Nope, those are all the Walther MPKs, which have already been repped on this page. -MT2008 04:12, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Armored Sweepers
I'm curious, anyone know the type of body armor that is used by the Armored Sweeper teams in the film? -User:AdAstra2009
It's some kind of riot control vest. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's probably something made in Germany and used by LE agencies there. -MT2008
So I'm guessing since it's riot control it probably won't stop bullets, shame it looks effective and intimidating with the neck protection, thanks BTW -User:AdAstra2009
I took this screencap thinking it was an Uzi but if you look at the top there is no charging handle and the top is also too flat to be an Uzi, I thought it might be a rubber cast of an uzi but I looked at the scene again and you see it firing so it's not some rubber prop. I think it's a Steyr MPi 69 but the trigger guard looks a bit off, Any other ideas? --AdAstra2009 22:37, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
No offence to anyone here, but if you manage to accurately ID that gun visually, you've either got too much time on your hands, or spend too much time around guns.
If you are on this site then you have no business saying that --AdAstra2009 21:11, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
It was a joke based off the fact that all you can see is a handle. A generic handle.
And a serial number underneath the dustcover--FIVETWOSEVEN 00:00, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Speaking of the handle, it looks too curved to be a Glock 17, though that might just be because of how the actor is gripping it. Honestly, though, the handle looks like that of a revolver to me. Acora 02:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
it appears to be a Browning/FN Hi-Power
Bobbed hammer Smith & Wesson Model 36 or Bobbed Hammer Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snubnose
I'm trying to determine whether this firearm is a Model 36 or a Model 10.
By the look of cylinder, it holds 6 rounds which could make it a Model 10 as oppose to the 5 on the Model 36(judging by the location of the flutes on the cylinder)
Any opinions? --AdAstra2009 03:55, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
M92 slide and barrel look-a-likes for sale?
My brother saw the movie and would love to get a 92 with the same slide and barrel, is there a source for these? --FIVETWOSEVEN 01:02, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
There isn't a kit like that for a real 92F (There's no "M" on the 92). As for replicas... --PistolJunkie 03:02, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
I thought it was called a M92 like Model 92
No. Beretta never puts an "M" on any of their handguns with the one exception being the U.S. Military's M9.--PistolJunkie 07:47, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
ah, well thanks for clearing that up for me. -FIVETWOSEVEN
Why couldn't the Belgian government deliver?
I find it hard to believe that the Belgian government couldn't lend or sell Kurt Wimmer some real FN P90s to use in this film, given how often Stargate SG-1 was making heavy use of them around the same time period as the release of this film. Might anyone know why this was so? Was it too expensive to arrange the transfer or something else?
Also, should this page be organized into a table of contents, given how many firearms there are in this film? --Mazryonh 03:26, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Normal 92fs trigger guard in finale
I would at first have said that Preston was given a different model of the gun, but the trigger guard is the same. I may also say that the material that the guns are built from are not indestructable, so the gun may have been damaged and a quick replacement may have been needed, because if you look closely enough before the slide locks back indicating it is empty, the hammer is different to that of earlier in the film (when Preston kills Errol Partridge). However I am just exploring another reason.
About the loaned G36s
I was thinking -the film was loaned G36s from the German Government for production of the film; Wouldn't this be problematic seeing as the G36s that are on loan from the Government are unmodified G36s meant for actual combat and are not blank converted? Or does the German Government have blank converted G36s for some reason? Sorry for crappy grammar --AdAstra2009 18:20, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
They might have a drop in blank converter that fits inside the barrel and doesn't stick out.--FIVETWOSEVEN 23:58, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Even if that is true then how come they don't do that to all movie guns so that they don't permanently lose their ability to fire live ammo instead of converting them. --AdAstra2009 00:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure, maybe they got spare G36 barrels they converted.--FIVETWOSEVEN 00:09, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Is it possible that they just borrowed a bunch of spare G36 furnishings and put them on some armourer's blank-fire converted SL8s? Evil Tim (talk) 00:35, 22 August 2017 (EDT)
I doubt it, converting an SL8 into the shape of a G36 is a massive job requiring cutting up the receiver and epoxying bits back together, and even if that was done the markings would still be SL8 ones and this gun is marked as a G36. I don't really know what the story is with the loaned guns in this film, but if they were loaned be the German Government then they could of coarse be police weapons that only have the SF trigger. They could also be military weapons that have been given a semi only trigger for legal reasons, in that rather than letting the production own machine guns they are instead then just rifles. The trigger housing is also an incredibly easy part to swap so it is far more likely that this gun is a G36 with a swapped trigger housing rather than it being an SL8 dressed up as a G36. Furthermore, that trigger housing is not an SL8 one anyway, as the SL8 one is built into the stock and has a totally different construction. --commando552 (talk) 08:10, 22 August 2017 (EDT)
Just for comparison, this is generally as close a replica to a G36 as you get from starting with an SL8, and if you look at the back of the receiver and the markings you can clearly tell that it is not a real G36:Error creating thumbnail: File missingNote that this trigger housing is a G36 one, this is because as soon as you want to get rid of the SL8 stock you have to throw awway the whole thing including the trigger housing and use a G36 with a special stock adapter as seen here. You could potentially cut off the rear of the receiver an remodel it to take a G36 stock and trigger pack without the adapter, but at this point you would need to be cutting off the serial number of the gun (which is at the very rear of the receiver on SL8s through a window in the polymer) which is probably illegal in most places. --commando552 (talk) 08:17, 22 August 2017 (EDT)
Now that I have thought about it for a minute, I'm not sure that there even is a G36 trigger pack that is just SF marked, the semi only guns use pictograms. Isn't that gun pictured above just an SEF gun and the selector is covering the "E"? --commando552 (talk) 08:23, 22 August 2017 (EDT)
Format update
I spend some time to update the design to this page, had been overdue by a few years :-) No changes at all to text or whatever. Saw this movie a couple of days ago and was absolutely blown away; Matrix/Blade: eat your heart out! PeeWee055 (talk) 07:44, 27 January 2015 (EST)
I fixed a slight error you made [Didn't add the first (=) for the SMG section] and put Shotguns before Rifles. --Mandolin (talk) 09:41, 27 January 2015 (EST)
Thanks a lot, even though I checked several times I knew there was something, PeeWee055 (talk) 09:53, 27 January 2015 (EST)
