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Strongly doubt about Izhmash. All Russian sources claim that Gepard was designed on short-living Reks (or REX) company in Sankt-Peterburg. Gepard was never produced in more than several pieces for testing. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:12, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | Strongly doubt about Izhmash. All Russian sources claim that Gepard was designed on short-living Reks (or REX) company in Sankt-Peterburg. Gepard was never produced in more than several pieces for testing. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:12, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | ||
:The source I got it from did say it was from REX, but it also claimed the REX company was a subsidiary of "Izmash", which, I assume is Izhmash. The source was a Polish gun website, as far as I remember. -[[User:SeptemberJack|SeptemberJack]] ([[User talk:SeptemberJack|talk]]) 21:57, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
::I found a good article about the history of Gepard ([https://warspot.ru/7888-neudavshiysya-pryzhok-geparda Here], but it's in Russian). The designers of Gepard were officers of Rzhevsky Artillery Test Field ("Rzhevsky Poligon") in St.Peterburg. In case if Gepard would be adopted by military or law enforcement, it could be manufactured on Izhmash, but this didn't happen. So, 1) Gepard was designed not by Izhmash design bureau, 2) it was not manufactured on Izhmash. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:36, 21 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::''"However, this development did not interest production workers either: in particular, Izhmash, at the same time, conducted independent work on the Bizon pistol machine gun with a screw store, also based on the AKS74U."''<br> and <br>''"Curiously, the first article about "Cheetah" appeared in the American press. Its author was an employee of the Izhevsk plant V. Shilin, who got acquainted with the submachine gun in the negotiations on possible production at Izhmash."''<br> I also found a source claiming Tula manufatured them, which the source you gave me states just that Tula had a bureau working on it at the time. Oh also, here's that polish source I mentioned [http://www.specops.pl/vortal/technika/bron_strzelecka/gepard/gepard.htm earlier]. If I could find more info about REX (or REKS) then I can make a page for it - otherwise, it'll stay on Izhmash's page for now. -[[User:SeptemberJack|SeptemberJack]] ([[User talk:SeptemberJack|talk]]) 23:34, 21 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::: I don't like to argue, especially on such minor issues. Keep it as you wish. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:05, 22 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
So, is there an actual source on this thing being able to fire 5 different calibers without changing anything? How can you even fit a 9x30mm mag into that grip? What 15 rounds can it hypothetically fire? The whole blurb sounds extremely suspect.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 21:11, 22 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
:The Polish source I mentioned and the Russian source that Greg gave me, as well as most websites collaborate the story that they would use universal mag to hold the [http://www.specops.pl/vortal/technika/bron_strzelecka/gepard/Naboje_Geparda.jpg cartriges]] and that they can fire a couple different calibers without changing much. -[[User:SeptemberJack|SeptemberJack]] ([[User talk:SeptemberJack|talk]]) 12:49, 24 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
<br> For info on 9x30mm GROM (Thunder), go [http://www.cruffler.com/Features/NOV-01/trivia-November01.html here] and scroll down to the "9x30 GROM" bit. | |||
Latest revision as of 16:51, 24 July 2017
Strongly doubt about Izhmash. All Russian sources claim that Gepard was designed on short-living Reks (or REX) company in Sankt-Peterburg. Gepard was never produced in more than several pieces for testing. Greg-Z (talk) 13:12, 20 July 2017 (EDT)
- The source I got it from did say it was from REX, but it also claimed the REX company was a subsidiary of "Izmash", which, I assume is Izhmash. The source was a Polish gun website, as far as I remember. -SeptemberJack (talk) 21:57, 20 July 2017 (EDT)
- I found a good article about the history of Gepard (Here, but it's in Russian). The designers of Gepard were officers of Rzhevsky Artillery Test Field ("Rzhevsky Poligon") in St.Peterburg. In case if Gepard would be adopted by military or law enforcement, it could be manufactured on Izhmash, but this didn't happen. So, 1) Gepard was designed not by Izhmash design bureau, 2) it was not manufactured on Izhmash. Greg-Z (talk) 13:36, 21 July 2017 (EDT)
- "However, this development did not interest production workers either: in particular, Izhmash, at the same time, conducted independent work on the Bizon pistol machine gun with a screw store, also based on the AKS74U."
and
"Curiously, the first article about "Cheetah" appeared in the American press. Its author was an employee of the Izhevsk plant V. Shilin, who got acquainted with the submachine gun in the negotiations on possible production at Izhmash."
I also found a source claiming Tula manufatured them, which the source you gave me states just that Tula had a bureau working on it at the time. Oh also, here's that polish source I mentioned earlier. If I could find more info about REX (or REKS) then I can make a page for it - otherwise, it'll stay on Izhmash's page for now. -SeptemberJack (talk) 23:34, 21 July 2017 (EDT)
- "However, this development did not interest production workers either: in particular, Izhmash, at the same time, conducted independent work on the Bizon pistol machine gun with a screw store, also based on the AKS74U."
- I found a good article about the history of Gepard (Here, but it's in Russian). The designers of Gepard were officers of Rzhevsky Artillery Test Field ("Rzhevsky Poligon") in St.Peterburg. In case if Gepard would be adopted by military or law enforcement, it could be manufactured on Izhmash, but this didn't happen. So, 1) Gepard was designed not by Izhmash design bureau, 2) it was not manufactured on Izhmash. Greg-Z (talk) 13:36, 21 July 2017 (EDT)
So, is there an actual source on this thing being able to fire 5 different calibers without changing anything? How can you even fit a 9x30mm mag into that grip? What 15 rounds can it hypothetically fire? The whole blurb sounds extremely suspect.--Mandolin (talk) 21:11, 22 July 2017 (EDT)
- The Polish source I mentioned and the Russian source that Greg gave me, as well as most websites collaborate the story that they would use universal mag to hold the cartriges] and that they can fire a couple different calibers without changing much. -SeptemberJack (talk) 12:49, 24 July 2017 (EDT)
For info on 9x30mm GROM (Thunder), go here and scroll down to the "9x30 GROM" bit.