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It can't be an S&W 60. The revolver in the game has six shots, the S&W 60 only has five. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:48, 13 December 2013 (EST)

Soldier Front ??

This game is called S.K.I.L.L. Why was the page name changed? By doing this I was playing skill game. Not at Soldier Front. http://store.steampowered.com/app/286940/SKILL__Special_Force_2_Shooter/?l=polish&cc=de Please return to the old page name. --Emto_PL (talk) 08:35, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

The english Steam page lists this as SKILL as well. Soldier Front 2 appears to be a completely different game. --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:12, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

So is this a different game or not? If the information at the top of the page is correct, then yes, it goes under the english title. But not if it's a completely different game. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:13, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

Then whoever listed the alternate names on the main page must be misinformed, because it says the game is called Soldier Front 2 in North America at the top of the main page. As this is an American site, the American title should take precedence unless it's hugely popular under another name (e.g., Léon: The Professional). You say Soldier Front is a different game, but yet the See Also section has a link to the Soldier Front page (red because the page contents were moved to the talk page). Why is there a See Also link to a seemingly unrelated game? Additionally, Wikpedia claims the Special Force games were released in North America under the title Soldier Front, while "S.K.I.L.L. - Special Force 2" is the name of a European ESL competition league. And the logos for the games are practically identical. So the whole thing is a bit confusing to me. Spartan198 (talk) 12:39, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

The game is very popular in Europe. And it is called "S.K.I.L.L. - Special Force 2". I am European and I was doing this site. So the name of the page should not be changed.--Emto_PL (talk) 12:52, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

According to this, there are two separate versions, one for NA and the other presumably for the rest of the world. As Mateogala said, he covered the EU version. I'll change the title back, but we should explain the difference on the page. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:15, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

This isn't Wikipedia where editors can claim "ownership" of pages based on nationality or ethnicity. If the only difference between Skill and Soldier Force 2 is the regions of their respective player bases, then it's the same game and the North American title should take precedence. If there are actual gameplay or content differences, then fair enough. But if not, the page name should be changed back to Soldier Force 2. Spartan198 (talk) 13:56, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

Tell me why America has priority over Europe? What is Europe worse? The game came first in Europe. Then in america. So the European version was faster. --Emto_PL (talk) 14:28, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

"The American Release Title takes precedence," it has it's own section in the Rules. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:50, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

Did the game come out first in Europe? Form what I can find it was released on September 12th 2013 in Europe, but July 3rd 2013 in the USA. Or is Steam wrong with these dates? For the purposes of this discussion though the date is irrelevant, as we list things by their US release name for the majority of cases regardless of where the media was released first. However, the thing that makes this case a bit complicated is that the US publisher went bust so it is now published in the US by the European company under the SKILL name. In this case, as it is both currently distributed in the US under this name and this is also the same name that is used internationally, I would lean towards SKILL. --commando552 (talk) 16:55, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

Like Funky said, it has its own section in the rules. Read em and weep. It has nothing to do with America being "better" than Europe or vice versa, IMFDb is a damned US-based website. So stop trying to make this into some nationalist BS rubbish. As for the game being re-released under its European title, I present as an example Mad Max 2, which despite having long ago been re-released as Mad Max 2 and Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior in North America, the IMFDb page for the movie still retains its original North American release title. The only time we make exceptions is if the foreign title isn't changed for the US release, there is no English translation for it (e.g., Upotte!!), or the media in question achieved world-wide acclaim under its original title (e.g., Léon: The Professional). This game might be popular in Europe, but it surely hasn't achieved any world-wide critical acclaim. Spartan198 (talk) 18:00, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

I had never heard of this game until this page was created so I can't really speak with total authority, but as far as I can tell it is not really the case that the game was just re-released with a different name. Rather there were two games that existed, the US game and the EU game, but the US game was discontinued and the servers shut down so the EU company started marketing their version in the US and started a US server. To quote from the official announcement from Gameforge (the non-US producer) "As some of you already know, Soldierfront 2 of Aeria Games closed the gates last year in North America. Now it’s time to start something new. We are happy to announce that we will open a North America Server with our next planned update!! Be aware that the NA and EU Servers will run separately because of some technical limitations and that the game is not Soldierfront 2. S.K.I.L.L. North America will have the same content like S.K.I.L.L. EU." This seems to suggest that they are two separate games, and that there is at least some content difference between the two. --commando552 (talk) 18:57, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

I'm okay with keeping it as SKILL as well, but like I said, I'd like to include an explanation on the page itself. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:19, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

Again, though, the "difference" between the games seems to have more to do with server locations than anything else. Does Skill play differently from Soldier Front 2? Does it have different game modes? Does it have a different story? That's what I want to know, and so far no one has addressed any of those points, instead focusing solely on multi-player servers as the only differemce. "NA players can't play with EU players" isn't even remotely enough to make Skill a separate game. Spartan198 (talk) 01:04, 11 May 2017 (EDT)

I'm still waiting. How does this differ from the North American version? If the developers only limited which regions can play together, then it is still the same game and therefor should retain its NA release title. It doesn't matter if the editor creating it is European, Asian, Pacific Islander, or even a freaking Martian. Spartan198 (talk) 06:05, 13 May 2017 (EDT)

Chill out, nobody's dying. The only people who can fully answer this question are Americans who happened to play "Soldier Front 2" before it was closed down and then started playing "Special Force 2" after that was opened up to America. Just looking at the respective Wikis (which are pretty awful so are not that helpful or necessarily up to date) there is a much wider selection of weapons in Special Force 2 if nothing else, along with the latter also having more maps and game modes. Seeing as how a large number of the guns listed on this page seemingly never appeared in the "Soldier Front 2" version of the game it seems wrong to call the page that. With the correct redirect anybody who is looking for "Soldier Front 2" will be sent here anyway so that name is still provided for, the current version of the game which is available in America is titled "S.K.I.L.L - Special Force 2", and this article contains content which was never available with the original "Soldier Front 2" American version so I do not see a problem with in this case going for the "S.K.I.L.L." version of the name as the page title. I would agree that the article would benefit from a better description at the start to explain what is going on with the name (especially as the thing that is at the top now suggests that the currently available version of the game in America is called "Soldier Front 2" when it demonstrably isn't), and possibly also some indication of guns that were available in the "Soldier Front 2" version but not the "S.K.I.L.L - Special Force 2" one. --commando552 (talk) 06:53, 13 May 2017 (EDT)

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 :Then whoever listed the alternate names on the main page must be misinformed, because it says the game is called Soldier Front 2 in North America at the top of the main page. As this is an American site, the American title should take precedence unless it's hugely popular under another name (e.g., ''[[Léon: The Professional]]''). You say Soldier Front is a different game, but yet the See Also section has a link to the ''[[Soldier Front]]'' page (red because the page contents were moved to the talk page). Why is there a See Also link to a seemingly unrelated game? Additionally, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Force_(online_game) Wikpedia] claims the Special Force games were released in North America under the title Soldier Front, while "S.K.I.L.L. - Special Force 2" is the name of a European ESL competition league. And the logos for the games are practically identical. So the whole thing is a bit confusing to me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 12:39, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
 The game is very popular in Europe. And it is called "S.K.I.L.L. - Special Force 2". I am European and I was doing this site. So the name of the page should not be changed.--[[User:Mateogala|Emto_PL]] ([[User talk:Mateogala|talk]]) 12:52, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
+::According to [https://board.skill.gameforge.com/index.php/Thread/5654-Soldier-Front-2-Special-Force-2/ this], there are two separate versions, one for NA and the other presumably for the rest of the world. As Mateogala said, he covered the EU version. I'll change the title back, but we should explain the difference on the page. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:15, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
+::This isn't Wikipedia where editors can claim "ownership" of pages based on nationality or ethnicity. If the only difference between Skill and Soldier Force 2 is the regions of their respective player bases, then it's the same game and the North American title should take precedence. If there are actual gameplay or content differences, then fair enough. But if not, the page name should be changed back to Soldier Force 2. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:56, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
+Tell me why America has priority over Europe? What is Europe worse? The game came first in Europe. Then in america. So the European version was faster. --[[User:Mateogala|Emto_PL]] ([[User talk:Mateogala|talk]]) 14:28, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
+:"The American Release Title takes precedence," it has it's own section in the [[Rules]]. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:50, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
+::Did the game come out first in Europe? Form what I can find it was released on September 12th 2013 in Europe, but July 3rd 2013 in the USA. Or is Steam wrong with these dates? For the purposes of this discussion though the date is irrelevant, as we list things by their US release name for the majority of cases regardless of where the media was released first. However, the thing that makes this case a bit complicated is that the US publisher went bust so it is now published in the US by the European company under the SKILL name. In this case, as it is both currently distributed in the US under this name and this is also the same name that is used internationally, I would lean towards SKILL.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:55, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
+::Like Funky said, it has its own section in the rules. [[Rules#The_American_Release_Title_takes_precedence|Read em and weep.]] It has nothing to do with America being "better" than Europe or vice versa, IMFDb is a damned ''US-based'' website. So stop trying to make this into some nationalist BS rubbish. As for the game being re-released under its European title, I present as an example ''Mad Max 2'', which despite having long ago been re-released as ''Mad Max 2'' and ''Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior'' in North America, the [[The Road Warrior|IMFDb page for the movie]] ''still'' retains its original North American release title. The only time we make exceptions is if the foreign title isn't changed for the US release, there is ''no'' English translation for it (e.g., ''[[Upotte!!]]''), or the media in question achieved world-wide acclaim under its original title (e.g., ''[[Léon: The Professional]]''). This game might be popular in Europe, but it surely hasn't achieved any world-wide critical acclaim. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 18:00, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
+:::I had never heard of this game until this page was created so I can't really speak with total authority, but as far as I can tell it is not really the case that the game was just re-released with a different name. Rather there were two games that existed, the US game and the EU game, but the US game was discontinued and the servers shut down so the EU company started marketing their version in the US and started a US server. To quote from the [https://board.skill.gameforge.com/index.php/Thread/19123-S-K-I-L-L-North-America/ official announcement from Gameforge] (the non-US producer) "As some of you already know, Soldierfront 2 of Aeria Games closed the gates last year in North America. Now it’s time to start something new. We are happy to announce that we will open a North America Server with our next planned update!! Be aware that the NA and EU Servers will run separately because of some technical limitations and that the game is not Soldierfront 2. S.K.I.L.L. North America will have the same content like S.K.I.L.L. EU." This seems to suggest that they are two separate games, and that there is at least some content difference between the two.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:57, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
+::::I'm okay with keeping it as SKILL as well, but like I said, I'd like to include an explanation on the page itself. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:19, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
+::::Again, though, the "difference" between the games seems to have more to do with server locations than anything else. Does Skill ''play'' differently from Soldier Front 2? Does it have different game modes? Does it have a different story? That's what I want to know, and so far no one has addressed any of those points, instead focusing solely on multi-player servers as the only differemce. "NA players can't play with EU players" isn't even remotely enough to make Skill a separate game. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 01:04, 11 May 2017 (EDT)
+::::I'm still waiting. How does this differ from the North American version? If the developers only limited which regions can play together, then it ''is'' still the same game and therefor should retain its NA release title. It doesn't matter if the editor creating it is European, Asian, Pacific Islander, or even a freaking Martian. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 06:05, 13 May 2017 (EDT)
+:::::Chill out, nobody's dying. The only people who can fully answer this question are Americans who happened to play "Soldier Front 2" before it was closed down and then started playing "Special Force 2" after that was opened up to America. Just looking at the respective Wikis (which are pretty awful so are not that helpful or necessarily up to date) there is a much wider selection of weapons in Special Force 2 if nothing else, along with the latter also having more maps and game modes. Seeing as how a large number of the guns listed on this page seemingly never appeared in the "Soldier Front 2" version of the game it seems wrong to call the page that. With the correct redirect anybody who is looking for "Soldier Front 2" will be sent here anyway so that name is still provided for, the current version of the game which is available in America is titled "S.K.I.L.L - Special Force 2", and this article contains content which was never available with the original "Soldier Front 2" American version so I do not see a problem with in this case going for the "S.K.I.L.L." version of the name as the page title. I would agree that the article would benefit from a better description at the start to explain what is going on with the name (especially as the thing that is at the top now suggests that the currently available version of the game in America is called "Soldier Front 2" when it demonstrably isn't), and possibly also some indication of guns that were available in the "Soldier Front 2" version but not the "S.K.I.L.L - Special Force 2" one.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:53, 13 May 2017 (EDT)

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