Talk:Air Force (1943): Difference between revisions
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Either way, it is odd. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:19, 29 May 2012 (CDT)
Either way, it is odd. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:19, 29 May 2012 (CDT)
::On another notes, could these be THESE guns in [[Les Morfalous]]? [[Les Morfalous#Browning M1919 (mockups)|Browning M1919 (mockups) ]]? mpm
:::I don't think so, I think it is probably mock ups as there is way too much wrong with it to be a genuine M1919. If nothing else, in the third shot you can see that the barrel is coming out the top of the receiver whereas on an M1919 it comes out the middle. Also the buffer is too high, and in the side shot of it hanging free on the mount you can see that the top of the receiver is slightly humped and slopes down at the front towards the barrel. This could be a genuine machine gun but I doubt it, as it is never fired on screen, and in the last cap it looks suspiciously like the belt is just hooked into a slot and which the next round in the belt would not physically be able to fit through. Also, the barrel mounted front and rear sights looks like they would be obscured by the receiver. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 15:20, 29 May 2012 (CDT)
::::Scratch my last about it being a total mock up, it is a dressed up Madsen Model 1924 belt fed tank gun. The shape of the top of the receiver is a match, along with the positioning of the barrel, flash hider and the sights. I think the bottom and rear of the receiver is a cosmetic box to make it look like an M1919. There are some pics of it on [http://www.forgottenweapons.com/belt-fed-madsen-tank-gun Forgotten Weapons], but will try and find a better shot of it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:35, 29 May 2012 (CDT)
== Fake Type 99? ==
These look like mockups. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 12:53, 29 May 2012 (CDT)
[[File:AirF 40.jpg|thumb|none|500px|When Japanese troops invade the airstrip, some are seen with machine guns that resemble the Type 99, but since this film was made during the war, it's possible that these are mockups. ]]
The machine guns seen here look like the water cooled M2, but the ammo belt looks too small to be for .50 caliber rounds. Is this a Browning M1917? --Ben41 02:16, 29 May 2012 (CDT)
It's a Vickers gun dressed up as an M2. Evil Tim 03:06, 29 May 2012 (CDT)
Very strange Browning M1919
The gun currently listed as the M1919 is puzzling me a bit. First off it has spade grips, which were only fitted as standard on a few experimental guns and the AN/M2 which this isn't. I came across the below image which I think this gun may be related to:
This is a gun which was supposedly taken from a British aircraft and modified by the LRDG to be fired from a jeep (the tube and block on the back are a makeshift trigger to fire the normally hydraulically operated machine gun). Take note of the muzzle which seems to be a close match for the gun in question (with the exception of whatever that is protruding from the front of the movie gun, could be a BFA or maybe it has been cut off of the above gun). My other guess is it could be an M1918 (an M1917 with the water jacket removed made by Remington), but the muzzle is not quite right:
I don't think so, I think it is probably mock ups as there is way too much wrong with it to be a genuine M1919. If nothing else, in the third shot you can see that the barrel is coming out the top of the receiver whereas on an M1919 it comes out the middle. Also the buffer is too high, and in the side shot of it hanging free on the mount you can see that the top of the receiver is slightly humped and slopes down at the front towards the barrel. This could be a genuine machine gun but I doubt it, as it is never fired on screen, and in the last cap it looks suspiciously like the belt is just hooked into a slot and which the next round in the belt would not physically be able to fit through. Also, the barrel mounted front and rear sights looks like they would be obscured by the receiver. --commando552 15:20, 29 May 2012 (CDT)
Scratch my last about it being a total mock up, it is a dressed up Madsen Model 1924 belt fed tank gun. The shape of the top of the receiver is a match, along with the positioning of the barrel, flash hider and the sights. I think the bottom and rear of the receiver is a cosmetic box to make it look like an M1919. There are some pics of it on Forgotten Weapons, but will try and find a better shot of it. --commando552 17:35, 29 May 2012 (CDT)
Fake Type 99?
These look like mockups. --Ben41 12:53, 29 May 2012 (CDT)
Error creating thumbnail: File missingWhen Japanese troops invade the airstrip, some are seen with machine guns that resemble the Type 99, but since this film was made during the war, it's possible that these are mockups.
Probably Madsens. Evil Tim (talk) 16:45, 31 December 2016 (EST)
