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==Unknown== | |||
Please help ID these -- [[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 17:51, 17 May 2016 (EDT) | |||
[[File:GothamS02E01 12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tabitha Galavan ([[Jessica Lucas]]) guns down Arkham Asylum guards near the end of "Rise of the Villains. Damned if You Do...".]] | |||
[[File:GothamS02E18 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
[[File:GothamS02E18 06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
[[File:GothamS02E19 00.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
[[File:GothamS02E19 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
I made remarks on all these in the [[Talk:Gotham_-_Season_2#Unknowns/Other IDs|'Unknowns/Other IDs' section below]]. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 02:06, 18 May 2016 (EDT) | |||
==Pistol== | ==Pistol== | ||
Might the first unknown pistol be a Strayer Voigt Infinity? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 09:06, 30 September 2015 (EDT) | Might the first unknown pistol be a Strayer Voigt Infinity? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 09:06, 30 September 2015 (EDT) | ||
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:::: Looks like it. Although I'm heading off to bed. So if it's a go, then someone can edit the article. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 10:32, 20 October 2015 (EDT) | :::: Looks like it. Although I'm heading off to bed. So if it's a go, then someone can edit the article. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 10:32, 20 October 2015 (EDT) | ||
::::: I concur with the Lawman Snubbie ID. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:13, 20 October 2015 (EDT) | ::::: I concur with the Lawman Snubbie ID. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:13, 20 October 2015 (EDT) | ||
== Episode 9 Hitman Eduardo Flamingo's Pistol == | |||
I don't have a screen shot but the hitman's Colt Pistol doesn't look quite right for a 1911. I think that it might be a | |||
Colt 1903 Pocket Hammer --[[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]] ([[User talk:Insertjjs|talk]]) 13:06, 20 November 2015 (EST) | |||
It's an engraved Colt Model 1902 Military Model with pearl grips. - Firepower194 | |||
==Unknowns/Other IDs== | ==Unknowns/Other IDs== | ||
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: Though we can't be positive without a clearer shot of the receiver, the MP5K in that last cap might be an actual MP5K-PDW, given the PDW stock and protruding lugged barrel. Also, on a second look, that 'unknown pistol' might actually be a S&W .45 auto - Either a 645 or early 4506 (more likely the latter). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:48, 9 November 2015 (EST) | : Though we can't be positive without a clearer shot of the receiver, the MP5K in that last cap might be an actual MP5K-PDW, given the PDW stock and protruding lugged barrel. Also, on a second look, that 'unknown pistol' might actually be a S&W .45 auto - Either a 645 or early 4506 (more likely the latter). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:48, 9 November 2015 (EST) | ||
::As far the MP5s first, if you look at the shot of them all on the table at least the 3 on the left have the lugged PDW barrel, there is only one visible with a standard MP5K one. On to the pistol, my gut feeling is that it might be an early 3rd gen S&W auto, but i don't think a .45 necessarily as it doesn't have the longer barrel and I thing that if it was a 4506 it would have the adjustable sights. The slide shape looks slightly off at the back and it appears to be missing a slide safety so my guess would be a 5946, but without a clearer image it is really hard to tell. Also, there appears to b a colour difference between the frame and slide, so it could be that if it is a Smith it is an alloy framed variant like the 5943, but it could just be the lighting in this scene. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:17, 9 November 2015 (EST) | ::As far the MP5s first, if you look at the shot of them all on the table at least the 3 on the left have the lugged PDW barrel, there is only one visible with a standard MP5K one. On to the pistol, my gut feeling is that it might be an early 3rd gen S&W auto, but i don't think a .45 necessarily as it doesn't have the longer barrel and I thing that if it was a 4506 it would have the adjustable sights. The slide shape looks slightly off at the back and it appears to be missing a slide safety so my guess would be a 5946, but without a clearer image it is really hard to tell. Also, there appears to b a colour difference between the frame and slide, so it could be that if it is a Smith it is an alloy framed variant like the 5943, but it could just be the lighting in this scene. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:17, 9 November 2015 (EST) | ||
::: I think the color mismatch on the gun is due to lighting (combo stainless/alloy S&W autos tend to look the opposite - the slide usually appears darker than the frame), and I think the angle and poor focus on the gun explains why it doesn't look like it has the slide decocker/safety on the right (could still be there, just not really visible). That said, the bore looks a bit large for a 9mm (though again, the poor focus makes it a bit tough to tell) and 4506s were also available with Novak sights. I agree the barrel seems a bit short however - Could be a [[Smith & Wesson 4566]] in that regard. Your guesses are just as good at this point, though. Ultimately we're pretty much stuck here without a better or second shot. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:45, 9 November 2015 (EST) | |||
2nd through 4th pics in the unknown listing under "Pistols" all look to be 1911s (I'd say more GCNMs given the sights, hammers, and slanted serrations). 5th/last cap I've seen (and probably know) but can't place right now. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 16:31, 17 May 2016 (EDT) | |||
Chief Barnes' ([[Michael Chiklis]]) pistol I believe is a Colt Mustang. --[[User:Caldwellb734|Caldwellb734]] ([[User talk:Caldwellb734|talk]]) 22:08, 12 October 2016 (EDT) | |||
Alfred and Bruce, in the unknown screen caps, are definitely hold M1911 variants. The serrations on the back end of the slide are a giveaway, plus the slide design itself.--[[User:Bauer2121|Bauer2121]] ([[User talk:Bauer2121|talk]]) 12:45, 12 November 2016 (EST) | |||
: Those are Gold Cup National Matchs, given what looks to be the flat slide top and Elliason rear sight in addition to the slanted serrations and (in the second cap) skeleton hammer. That said, the pistol in the 'M1911A1' section is likewise a stainless GCNM, quite possibly a re-use of the stainless Enhanced variant already listed on the page. (Seems Gold Cups/Trophys are popping up quite a bit lately.) Chiklis' gun does smack a bit of a Mustang, but not quite exactly, not sure. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:07, 12 November 2016 (EST) | |||
:: Would you say they're the enhanced variants, or the regular variant? I'm only asking before I update the page to include them, and so I don't get it wrong.--[[User:Bauer2121|Bauer2121]] ([[User talk:Bauer2121|talk]]) 09:23, 13 November 2016 (EST) | |||
:::I think that all of them, the assassin's pistol currently listed and an M1911A1 and the pistols used by Alfred and Bruce, are all enhanced models. They all have skeleton hammers, and in the cap of the assassins pistol you can see the duckbill grip safety. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:32, 13 November 2016 (EST) | |||
::::Also, pretty sure that Barnes's gun is a Kimber Solo Carry. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:48, 13 November 2016 (EST) | |||
::::: I agree that Barnes's gun is a Kimber Solo Carry. He carries it throughout season 2, and into season 3 as well.--[[User:Bauer2121|Bauer2121]] ([[User talk:Bauer2121|talk]]) 07:50, 15 November 2016 (EST) | |||
I think that the gun Jim holds in the 4th screencap is the Smith & Wesson SW1911SC E-Series. It has the same slide serrations as the SW1911SC, as well as the same size bore, and you can just see a bit of the wooden grips. --[[User:Bauer2121|Bauer2121]] ([[User talk:Bauer2121|talk]]) 14:09, 4 December 2016 (EST) | |||
== Penguin's shotgun == | |||
I can't really tell about the rest as they are not shown that clearly, but this shotgun is definitely not an Ithaca:[[File:GothamS02E11 03.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]] I think it is actually a Winchester 1897 with a solid frame or a Norinco copy. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:28, 3 December 2015 (EST) | |||
: I concur. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:48, 4 December 2015 (EST) | |||
==Charter Arms Revolver== | |||
Given the size, large muzzle and five-round cylinder, I'd say it's a [[Charter Arms Bulldog|.44 Bulldog]]. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:43, 19 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
:More specifically it is an older model (newer versions have a shorter front sight blade) Bulldog Pug with a bobbed hammer. Even more specifically, I would guess that it is probably [http://www.thespecialistsltd.com/charter-arms-pug this gun] from ''The Specialist's Ltd''. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:46, 20 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
== Barnes Revolver == | |||
The revolver on Barnes is listed on here as a Colt New Frontier. | |||
However, in this picture, which shows the revolver closer up, it's clear it's a black powder revolver. I would guess a Colt Navy, judging on the design of the loading lever, but I could be wrong. | |||
[[File:Barnes.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] | |||
Granted, the image is taken from season 3, but unless they randomly decided to change revolver between seasons for no reason, I think it's safe to assume it's the same revolver. --[[User:TravisTee|TravisTee]] ([[User talk:TravisTee|talk]]) 09:20, 12 October 2016 (EDT) | |||
: 'Random' changes like that do happen, though. We try not to assume, and that said, if we get a cap from this season, no need to assume. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:55, 12 October 2016 (EDT) | |||
== Gordon's backup revolver == | |||
In "Rise of the Villains: The Last Laugh", Gordon holsters a snub revolver in an ankle holster. It looks like it has S&W round-butt Magna grips with the gold medallion. I'm thinking a Model 36 or snub Model 10 --[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 20:46, 2 November 2016 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 19:09, 4 December 2016
Unknown
Please help ID these -- Ben41 (talk) 17:51, 17 May 2016 (EDT)
I made remarks on all these in the 'Unknowns/Other IDs' section below. StanTheMan (talk) 02:06, 18 May 2016 (EDT)
Pistol
Might the first unknown pistol be a Strayer Voigt Infinity? --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:06, 30 September 2015 (EDT)
- Maybe. I'm not sure on the model. Ominae (talk) 09:08, 30 September 2015 (EDT)
- Those pistols in the first two unknowns look like the Springfield Armory TRP Operator. --Ben41 (talk) 16:49, 30 September 2015 (EDT)
- Pretty sure the first unknown is an airsoft gun, the WE Hi-Capa 5.1 Dragon. If you brighten it up you can see the distinctive slide/compensator design. It could also be that this is real pistol that the Dragon is based on, but if so I don;t know what it is (also, I'm not sure this construction would actually work in a real 1911). --commando552 (talk) 13:54, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
Alfred's revolver
Alfred's revolver is some sort of Colt, not an S&W. As you pointed out, the ejector rod is not shrouded. --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:06, 20 October 2015 (EDT)
- A DS maybe? Ominae (talk) 09:29, 20 October 2015 (EDT)
- I'm not sure. Something about the front sight looks a bit off. --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:02, 20 October 2015 (EDT)
- Colt Lawman 1st Gen.? It has exposed ejector rod and ramp front sight. Greg-Z (talk) 10:20, 20 October 2015 (EDT)
- Looks like it. Although I'm heading off to bed. So if it's a go, then someone can edit the article. Ominae (talk) 10:32, 20 October 2015 (EDT)
- I concur with the Lawman Snubbie ID. StanTheMan (talk) 13:13, 20 October 2015 (EDT)
- Looks like it. Although I'm heading off to bed. So if it's a go, then someone can edit the article. Ominae (talk) 10:32, 20 October 2015 (EDT)
- Colt Lawman 1st Gen.? It has exposed ejector rod and ramp front sight. Greg-Z (talk) 10:20, 20 October 2015 (EDT)
- I'm not sure. Something about the front sight looks a bit off. --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:02, 20 October 2015 (EDT)
Episode 9 Hitman Eduardo Flamingo's Pistol
I don't have a screen shot but the hitman's Colt Pistol doesn't look quite right for a 1911. I think that it might be a Colt 1903 Pocket Hammer --Insertjjs (talk) 13:06, 20 November 2015 (EST)
It's an engraved Colt Model 1902 Military Model with pearl grips. - Firepower194
Unknowns/Other IDs
The unknown pistol looks to be some kind of 1911 variant with a squared trigger guard. This might actually be a Strayer Voight Infinity, but I'm not certain. Harvey Bullock's revolver looks to be a Smith & Wesson Model 19, given the shrouded rod, bull barrel, and the large ramp front sight. The S&W Model 60 I think is actually a 3" Model 64/65. Also, more a minor note, the Ruger M77's 'hollow' stock is simply the older (discontinued) 'boat-paddle' stock. StanTheMan (talk) 13:27, 20 October 2015 (EDT)
- Though we can't be positive without a clearer shot of the receiver, the MP5K in that last cap might be an actual MP5K-PDW, given the PDW stock and protruding lugged barrel. Also, on a second look, that 'unknown pistol' might actually be a S&W .45 auto - Either a 645 or early 4506 (more likely the latter). StanTheMan (talk) 14:48, 9 November 2015 (EST)
- As far the MP5s first, if you look at the shot of them all on the table at least the 3 on the left have the lugged PDW barrel, there is only one visible with a standard MP5K one. On to the pistol, my gut feeling is that it might be an early 3rd gen S&W auto, but i don't think a .45 necessarily as it doesn't have the longer barrel and I thing that if it was a 4506 it would have the adjustable sights. The slide shape looks slightly off at the back and it appears to be missing a slide safety so my guess would be a 5946, but without a clearer image it is really hard to tell. Also, there appears to b a colour difference between the frame and slide, so it could be that if it is a Smith it is an alloy framed variant like the 5943, but it could just be the lighting in this scene. --commando552 (talk) 16:17, 9 November 2015 (EST)
- I think the color mismatch on the gun is due to lighting (combo stainless/alloy S&W autos tend to look the opposite - the slide usually appears darker than the frame), and I think the angle and poor focus on the gun explains why it doesn't look like it has the slide decocker/safety on the right (could still be there, just not really visible). That said, the bore looks a bit large for a 9mm (though again, the poor focus makes it a bit tough to tell) and 4506s were also available with Novak sights. I agree the barrel seems a bit short however - Could be a Smith & Wesson 4566 in that regard. Your guesses are just as good at this point, though. Ultimately we're pretty much stuck here without a better or second shot. StanTheMan (talk) 22:45, 9 November 2015 (EST)
- As far the MP5s first, if you look at the shot of them all on the table at least the 3 on the left have the lugged PDW barrel, there is only one visible with a standard MP5K one. On to the pistol, my gut feeling is that it might be an early 3rd gen S&W auto, but i don't think a .45 necessarily as it doesn't have the longer barrel and I thing that if it was a 4506 it would have the adjustable sights. The slide shape looks slightly off at the back and it appears to be missing a slide safety so my guess would be a 5946, but without a clearer image it is really hard to tell. Also, there appears to b a colour difference between the frame and slide, so it could be that if it is a Smith it is an alloy framed variant like the 5943, but it could just be the lighting in this scene. --commando552 (talk) 16:17, 9 November 2015 (EST)
2nd through 4th pics in the unknown listing under "Pistols" all look to be 1911s (I'd say more GCNMs given the sights, hammers, and slanted serrations). 5th/last cap I've seen (and probably know) but can't place right now. StanTheMan (talk) 16:31, 17 May 2016 (EDT)
Chief Barnes' (Michael Chiklis) pistol I believe is a Colt Mustang. --Caldwellb734 (talk) 22:08, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
Alfred and Bruce, in the unknown screen caps, are definitely hold M1911 variants. The serrations on the back end of the slide are a giveaway, plus the slide design itself.--Bauer2121 (talk) 12:45, 12 November 2016 (EST)
- Those are Gold Cup National Matchs, given what looks to be the flat slide top and Elliason rear sight in addition to the slanted serrations and (in the second cap) skeleton hammer. That said, the pistol in the 'M1911A1' section is likewise a stainless GCNM, quite possibly a re-use of the stainless Enhanced variant already listed on the page. (Seems Gold Cups/Trophys are popping up quite a bit lately.) Chiklis' gun does smack a bit of a Mustang, but not quite exactly, not sure. StanTheMan (talk) 17:07, 12 November 2016 (EST)
- Would you say they're the enhanced variants, or the regular variant? I'm only asking before I update the page to include them, and so I don't get it wrong.--Bauer2121 (talk) 09:23, 13 November 2016 (EST)
- I think that all of them, the assassin's pistol currently listed and an M1911A1 and the pistols used by Alfred and Bruce, are all enhanced models. They all have skeleton hammers, and in the cap of the assassins pistol you can see the duckbill grip safety. --commando552 (talk) 13:32, 13 November 2016 (EST)
- Also, pretty sure that Barnes's gun is a Kimber Solo Carry. --commando552 (talk) 13:48, 13 November 2016 (EST)
- I think that all of them, the assassin's pistol currently listed and an M1911A1 and the pistols used by Alfred and Bruce, are all enhanced models. They all have skeleton hammers, and in the cap of the assassins pistol you can see the duckbill grip safety. --commando552 (talk) 13:32, 13 November 2016 (EST)
- Would you say they're the enhanced variants, or the regular variant? I'm only asking before I update the page to include them, and so I don't get it wrong.--Bauer2121 (talk) 09:23, 13 November 2016 (EST)
I think that the gun Jim holds in the 4th screencap is the Smith & Wesson SW1911SC E-Series. It has the same slide serrations as the SW1911SC, as well as the same size bore, and you can just see a bit of the wooden grips. --Bauer2121 (talk) 14:09, 4 December 2016 (EST)
Penguin's shotgun
I can't really tell about the rest as they are not shown that clearly, but this shotgun is definitely not an Ithaca:
I think it is actually a Winchester 1897 with a solid frame or a Norinco copy. --commando552 (talk) 19:28, 3 December 2015 (EST)
- I concur. StanTheMan (talk) 00:48, 4 December 2015 (EST)
Charter Arms Revolver
Given the size, large muzzle and five-round cylinder, I'd say it's a .44 Bulldog. StanTheMan (talk) 17:43, 19 April 2016 (EDT)
- More specifically it is an older model (newer versions have a shorter front sight blade) Bulldog Pug with a bobbed hammer. Even more specifically, I would guess that it is probably this gun from The Specialist's Ltd. --commando552 (talk) 06:46, 20 April 2016 (EDT)
Barnes Revolver
The revolver on Barnes is listed on here as a Colt New Frontier.
However, in this picture, which shows the revolver closer up, it's clear it's a black powder revolver. I would guess a Colt Navy, judging on the design of the loading lever, but I could be wrong.
Granted, the image is taken from season 3, but unless they randomly decided to change revolver between seasons for no reason, I think it's safe to assume it's the same revolver. --TravisTee (talk) 09:20, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
- 'Random' changes like that do happen, though. We try not to assume, and that said, if we get a cap from this season, no need to assume. StanTheMan (talk) 14:55, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
Gordon's backup revolver
In "Rise of the Villains: The Last Laugh", Gordon holsters a snub revolver in an ankle holster. It looks like it has S&W round-butt Magna grips with the gold medallion. I'm thinking a Model 36 or snub Model 10 --Maxman (talk) 20:46, 2 November 2016 (EDT)