User talk:Kingkolton9 - Revision history

Evil Tim at 21:39, 20 May 2015

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	Also, I'd like to be pointed out where it says in the rules that one can be banned for telling specific people the rules. I believe that my ban message stated that I was banned for "continuously telling an admin the rules."		Also, I'd like to be pointed out where it says in the rules that one can be banned for telling specific people the rules. I believe that my ban message stated that I was banned for "continuously telling an admin the rules."

			:I don't feel we're going anywhere with this. You obviously lack knowledge of how wikis work if you don't know how to perform a simple task like check your user logs for ban reasons (it's in the sidebar), don't understand how our rules work and are unwilling to ''try'' to understand, and have a fairly flimsy knowledge of how videogames work (what exactly do you think a longer pause after double fire is supposed to mean?). You were given an opportunity to correct your attitude and approach this as a discussion rather than an attempt to dictate your terms to us, and you didn't take it. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 17:39, 20 May 2015 (EDT)

	==Another Member's Plea==		==Another Member's Plea==

StanTheMan: /* Another Member's Plea */

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	I'm not the only one that's been a condescending here. I mirror what I see. And, from reading the rest of your comment, it seems you need to take you own advice.		I'm not the only one that's been a condescending here. I mirror what I see. And, from reading the rest of your comment, it seems you need to take you own advice.

	:: ~~And all of that makes~~ your condescension ok~~? Alright~~. And talk about 'mirroring' all you want but the root of this still seems to be you. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 17:25, 20 May 2015 (EDT)		:: Someone else falls off a bridge, you're gonna fall off too? The precipitation doesn't matter, it doesn't make your condescension any more ok. And talk about 'mirroring' all you want but the root of this still seems to be you. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 17:25, 20 May 2015 (EDT)

	"This issue (of which no one really seems to give a damn about other than you)"		"This issue (of which no one really seems to give a damn about other than you)"

StanTheMan: /* Another Member's Plea */

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	I'm not the only one that's been a condescending here. I mirror what I see. And, from reading the rest of your comment, it seems you need to take you own advice.		I'm not the only one that's been a condescending here. I mirror what I see. And, from reading the rest of your comment, it seems you need to take you own advice.

			:: And all of that makes your condescension ok? Alright. And talk about 'mirroring' all you want but the root of this still seems to be you. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 17:25, 20 May 2015 (EDT)

	"This issue (of which no one really seems to give a damn about other than you)"		"This issue (of which no one really seems to give a damn about other than you)"

	That devalues the issue, how?		That devalues the issue, how?

			:: There are other pages here that are lacking and could better benefit from the amount of attention you're giving this one issue, which appears to be of, at best, exceedingly marginal value to the site as a whole - Right or wrong what would it change really? Are you here to prove you're right about an infinitesimal matter regardless of this site or are you here to actually help and contribute to the site? Frankly it seems more of former to me. It's a shame because you seem like you'd be a good contributor to other parts and pages here if you weren't so hung up on this one thing to the exclusion of the rest of the site. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]])

	"you are most definitely not in any position to decide how things are done here."		"you are most definitely not in any position to decide how things are done here."

	Point to me where I said I was.		Point to me where I said I was.

			:: Well, you had told Evil Tim "Actually, you do have to cite sources". Whether that is true or not, last I checked, again, you're not one to tell anyone they 'do have' to do anything here. Other than that, you're clearly showing an attitude of wanting to make yourself right regardless of the site's established standards and principles - that is clear regardless of what you actually say. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]])

	"There is nothing ambiguous about that to me, nor does it appear to be up for debate either."		"There is nothing ambiguous about that to me, nor does it appear to be up for debate either."

	I agree.		I agree.

			:: The attitude you've displayed throughout apparently doesn't. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]])

	"if the gun visually fires both barrels - then that's pretty much that"		"if the gun visually fires both barrels - then that's pretty much that"
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	In fact, I'm willing to be mature about this if others are: I've talked with one of the devs before on multiple occasions. I'll ask him about it. I'll ask him why the animation is the way it is and what they've done or intend to do with it. Would a public message from a developer saying what's what about the animation, even if it's not in the game as of yet, be enough for everyone?		In fact, I'm willing to be mature about this if others are: I've talked with one of the devs before on multiple occasions. I'll ask him about it. I'll ask him why the animation is the way it is and what they've done or intend to do with it. Would a public message from a developer saying what's what about the animation, even if it's not in the game as of yet, be enough for everyone?

			:: Until you actually get anything concrete, it's all supposition. Which is irrelevant for our purposes, as Tim told you. On main pages, we deal with established fact, supposition and assumption stays on discussion pages until it's determined what the fact of the matter is. And the ultimate fact is we go by what is seen - Visual evidence is paramount. What's intended, what might have happened or what was supposed to happen IS IRRELEVANT. None of that matters unless its material. Movies may 'intend' for US Army soldiers to have M16A2 rifles but a film armorer might have only M16A1s with A2 handguards. We therefore state the gun is an M16A1 with A2 handguards, we don't list it as as M16A2 when it clearly isn't with a bunch of conjecture as to why it isn't.

	"but feel they can argue incessantly with the site's admins over it"		"but feel they can argue incessantly with the site's admins over it"

	So, admins are always right 100% of the time without fault? Good to know.		So, admins are always right 100% of the time without fault? Good to know.

			:: No, but arguing without end over such a minor issue with an admin to the point of being banned and then going right back to it doesn't make you right either. Just obnoxious. If you get something that meets the burden of proof (and that it is on you, you're the one who brought this up), I'm sure Tim will be happy to allow the edits/changes to be made. Until then you haven't established you're right either on the issue, while your attitude and demeanor is definitely not right regardless. At least not I see it.

	"One member to another, I strongly suggest that, if you have any interest in remaining on here, you change your manner and demeanor going forward."		"One member to another, I strongly suggest that, if you have any interest in remaining on here, you change your manner and demeanor going forward."

	You sure don't seem like you want me here. In fact, I'm confused about what you're pleading for, exactly. I haven't vandalized any pages; I'm not going to blindly edit the Black Mesa page with information that may or may not be incorrect until the issue is resolved. Call me what you want: I'm not a vandal. I've not spammed anyone's userpage; discussion on mine has been rather slow. I've only been overly-condescending, something that I feel that EvilTim was to me.		You sure don't seem like you want me here. In fact, I'm confused about what you're pleading for, exactly. I haven't vandalized any pages; I'm not going to blindly edit the Black Mesa page with information that may or may not be incorrect until the issue is resolved. Call me what you want: I'm not a vandal. I've not spammed anyone's userpage; discussion on mine has been rather slow. I've only been overly-condescending, something that I feel that EvilTim was to me.

			:: I'm pleading for you - if what you're really interested in is contributing to the site - to cut the attitude, which is unacceptable regardless of your issue, regardless of you being right or wrong or indifferent. I've seen people be right and still get banned because they decided to start being foul and rude and condescending to other people, much like you are now. If you were to just cut back on sounding like a talking-down smart-ass, it's quite possible Evil Tim will reciprocate and will be appreciated by more than just him. That you aren't as bad as others who have been banned doesn't make you exempt from having poor attitude. And being an asshole back to another asshole doesn't make you exempt either. Two wrongs don't make a right. This is my point. Whatever your issue, you're not going to get anywhere continuing to present yourself as you are. That is my plea here. If you're going to get concrete evidence of your claim, perhaps it's best to just cease discussion until then, because more of it will at best get you nowhere and at worst get you banned again. I can't make my concerns and points any clearer and don't care to either. I'm just giving some advice, take it or leave it - I don't really need a reply. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 17:25, 20 May 2015 (EDT)

Kingkolton9: /* Another Member's Plea */

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	==Another Member's Plea==		==Another Member's Plea==
	For the record, all I am is just another user - Who personally happens to be tired of your smart-assed condescending attitude and bullshit. I've seen people perma-banned for much less. This issue (of which no one really seems to give a damn about other than you) aside, you are most definitely not in any position to decide how things are done here. There is nothing ambiguous about that to me, nor does it appear to be up for debate either. If you don't like that, tough shit - No one's making you stay. There's only one thing that happens to those who not only believe they can disregard the established standards of the site (one of which is that nothing overrides visual evidence - if the gun visually fires both barrels - then that's pretty much that) but feel they can argue incessantly with the site's admins over it: They went away. For good. The same will happen to you too at this rate. One member to another, I strongly suggest that, if you have any interest in remaining on here, you change your manner and demeanor going forward. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 21:53, 19 May 2015 (EDT)		For the record, all I am is just another user - Who personally happens to be tired of your smart-assed condescending attitude and bullshit. I've seen people perma-banned for much less. This issue (of which no one really seems to give a damn about other than you) aside, you are most definitely not in any position to decide how things are done here. There is nothing ambiguous about that to me, nor does it appear to be up for debate either. If you don't like that, tough shit - No one's making you stay. There's only one thing that happens to those who not only believe they can disregard the established standards of the site (one of which is that nothing overrides visual evidence - if the gun visually fires both barrels - then that's pretty much that) but feel they can argue incessantly with the site's admins over it: They went away. For good. The same will happen to you too at this rate. One member to another, I strongly suggest that, if you have any interest in remaining on here, you change your manner and demeanor going forward. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 21:53, 19 May 2015 (EDT)

			"For the record, all I am is just another user - Who personally happens to be tired of your smart-assed condescending attitude and bullshit."

			I'm not the only one that's been a condescending here. I mirror what I see. And, from reading the rest of your comment, it seems you need to take you own advice.

			"This issue (of which no one really seems to give a damn about other than you)"

			That devalues the issue, how?

			"you are most definitely not in any position to decide how things are done here."

			Point to me where I said I was.

			"There is nothing ambiguous about that to me, nor does it appear to be up for debate either."

			I agree.

			"if the gun visually fires both barrels - then that's pretty much that"

			Let me understand something, then. I'm not stating this is the current case, but I am asking a genuine question:

			If an animation was bugged, but a developer didn't notice it, and as such it was never fixed until later, or the wrong animation was placed in, does that mean that it's objectively the correct animation?

			In fact, I'm willing to be mature about this if others are: I've talked with one of the devs before on multiple occasions. I'll ask him about it. I'll ask him why the animation is the way it is and what they've done or intend to do with it. Would a public message from a developer saying what's what about the animation, even if it's not in the game as of yet, be enough for everyone?

			"but feel they can argue incessantly with the site's admins over it"

			So, admins are always right 100% of the time without fault? Good to know.

			"One member to another, I strongly suggest that, if you have any interest in remaining on here, you change your manner and demeanor going forward."

			You sure don't seem like you want me here. In fact, I'm confused about what you're pleading for, exactly. I haven't vandalized any pages; I'm not going to blindly edit the Black Mesa page with information that may or may not be incorrect until the issue is resolved. Call me what you want: I'm not a vandal. I've not spammed anyone's userpage; discussion on mine has been rather slow. I've only been overly-condescending, something that I feel that EvilTim was to me.

StanTheMan: /* Another Member's Plea */

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	For the record, all I am is just another user - Who personally happens to be tired of your smart-assed condescending attitude and bullshit. I've seen people perma-banned for much less. This issue (of which no one really seems to give a damn about other than you) aside, you are most definitely not in any position to decide how things are done here. There is nothing ambiguous about that to me, nor does it appear to be up for debate either. If you don't like that, tough shit - No one's making you stay. There's only one thing that happens to those who not only believe they can disregard the established standards of the site (one of which is that nothing overrides visual evidence - if the gun visually fires both barrels - then that's pretty much that) but feel they can argue incessantly with the site's admins over it: They went away. For good. The same will happen to you too at this rate. One member to another, I strongly suggest that, if you have any interest is remaining on here, ~~that~~ you change your manner and demeanor going forward. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 21:53, 19 May 2015 (EDT)		For the record, all I am is just another user - Who personally happens to be tired of your smart-assed condescending attitude and bullshit. I've seen people perma-banned for much less. This issue (of which no one really seems to give a damn about other than you) aside, you are most definitely not in any position to decide how things are done here. There is nothing ambiguous about that to me, nor does it appear to be up for debate either. If you don't like that, tough shit - No one's making you stay. There's only one thing that happens to those who not only believe they can disregard the established standards of the site (one of which is that nothing overrides visual evidence - if the gun visually fires both barrels - then that's pretty much that) but feel they can argue incessantly with the site's admins over it: They went away. For good. The same will happen to you too at this rate. One member to another, I strongly suggest that, if you have any interest in remaining on here, you change your manner and demeanor going forward. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 21:53, 19 May 2015 (EDT)

StanTheMan at 01:55, 20 May 2015

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	Also, I'd like to be pointed out where it says in the rules that one can be banned for telling specific people the rules. I believe that my ban message stated that I was banned for "continuously telling an admin the rules."		Also, I'd like to be pointed out where it says in the rules that one can be banned for telling specific people the rules. I believe that my ban message stated that I was banned for "continuously telling an admin the rules."

	:: For the record, all I am is just another user - Who personally happens to be tired of your smart-assed condescending attitude and bullshit. I've seen people perma-banned for much less. This issue (of which no one really seems to give a damn about other than you) aside, you are most definitely not in any position to decide how things are done here. There is nothing ambiguous about that to me, nor does it appear to be up for debate either. If you don't like that, tough shit - No one's making you stay. There's only thing that happens to those who not only believe they disregard the established standards of the site (of which~~, one of them~~ is that nothing overrides visual evidence - if the gun visually fires both barrels - then that's pretty much that) but feel they can argue incessantly with the site's admins over it - They went away. For good. The same will happen to you too at this rate. One member to another, I strongly suggest that, if you have any interest is remaining on here, that you change your manner and demeanor going forward. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 21:53, 19 May 2015 (EDT)		==Another Member's Plea==
			For the record, all I am is just another user - Who personally happens to be tired of your smart-assed condescending attitude and bullshit. I've seen people perma-banned for much less. This issue (of which no one really seems to give a damn about other than you) aside, you are most definitely not in any position to decide how things are done here. There is nothing ambiguous about that to me, nor does it appear to be up for debate either. If you don't like that, tough shit - No one's making you stay. There's only one thing that happens to those who not only believe they can disregard the established standards of the site (one of which is that nothing overrides visual evidence - if the gun visually fires both barrels - then that's pretty much that) but feel they can argue incessantly with the site's admins over it: They went away. For good. The same will happen to you too at this rate. One member to another, I strongly suggest that, if you have any interest is remaining on here, that you change your manner and demeanor going forward. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 21:53, 19 May 2015 (EDT)

StanTheMan: /* Black Mesa Source SPAS */

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	Also, I'd like to be pointed out where it says in the rules that one can be banned for telling specific people the rules. I believe that my ban message stated that I was banned for "continuously telling an admin the rules."		Also, I'd like to be pointed out where it says in the rules that one can be banned for telling specific people the rules. I believe that my ban message stated that I was banned for "continuously telling an admin the rules."

			:: For the record, all I am is just another user - Who personally happens to be tired of your smart-assed condescending attitude and bullshit. I've seen people perma-banned for much less. This issue (of which no one really seems to give a damn about other than you) aside, you are most definitely not in any position to decide how things are done here. There is nothing ambiguous about that to me, nor does it appear to be up for debate either. If you don't like that, tough shit - No one's making you stay. There's only thing that happens to those who not only believe they disregard the established standards of the site (of which, one of them is that nothing overrides visual evidence - if the gun visually fires both barrels - then that's pretty much that) but feel they can argue incessantly with the site's admins over it - They went away. For good. The same will happen to you too at this rate. One member to another, I strongly suggest that, if you have any interest is remaining on here, that you change your manner and demeanor going forward. [[User:StanTheMan\|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan\|talk]]) 21:53, 19 May 2015 (EDT)

Kingkolton9: /* Black Mesa Source SPAS */

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 "and I'm not convinced how "official" a claim added to a wiki which seems to have open registration by someone with a grand total of 11 edits is."
 It's on the project's official website. Although, I am confused as to how someone edits a closed wiki 11 times without registration? But, you can always ask on the forums. If it's on the wiki, the creators will be happy to tell you whether or not it's already in there, planned, or not true, and the community at large are happy to berate you about the wiki.
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 :It doesn't matter that you didn't specifically say the wiki is updated constantly: you ''did'' use "surely they would have spotted it." Your central argument was that it is the "official" wiki and therefore has developer authority, and that is destroyed entirely if it is just an abandoned wiki that happens to be hosted on the developers' server. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 13:52, 7 May 2015 (EDT)

Evil Tim: /* Black Mesa Source SPAS */

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	:It's nice to know that you think you're in a position to correct the administrators on what the rules are. You are not.		:It's nice to know that you think you're in a position to correct the administrators on what the rules are. You are not.

	:The sound effect being doubled up has nothing to do with the visual effect of the gun firing once. It's also still too fast to be two shots and the gun only ejects one casing.		:The sound effect being doubled up has nothing to do with the visual effect of the gun firing once. It's also still too fast to be two shots and the gun only ejects one casing. This also evades that your original argument was about the 2012 version, which doesn't even have a doubled-up sound effect and was based on using an appeal to authority to contradict visual evidence.

	:It doesn't matter that you didn't specifically say the wiki is updated constantly. Your argument was that it is the "official" wiki and therefore has developer authority, and that is destroyed entirely if it is just an abandoned wiki that happens to be hosted on the developers' server. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 13:52, 7 May 2015 (EDT)		:It doesn't matter that you didn't specifically say the wiki is updated constantly: you ''did'' use "surely they would have spotted it." Your central argument was that it is the "official" wiki and therefore has developer authority, and that is destroyed entirely if it is just an abandoned wiki that happens to be hosted on the developers' server. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 13:52, 7 May 2015 (EDT)

Evil Tim: /* Black Mesa Source SPAS */

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	:The sound effect being doubled up has nothing to do with the visual effect of the gun firing once. It's also still too fast to be two shots and the gun only ejects one casing.		:The sound effect being doubled up has nothing to do with the visual effect of the gun firing once. It's also still too fast to be two shots and the gun only ejects one casing.

	:It doesn't matter that you didn't specifically say the wiki ~~isn't~~ updated constantly. Your argument was that it is the "official" wiki and therefore has developer authority, and that is destroyed entirely if it is just an abandoned wiki that happens to be hosted on the developers' server. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 13:52, 7 May 2015 (EDT)		:It doesn't matter that you didn't specifically say the wiki is updated constantly. Your argument was that it is the "official" wiki and therefore has developer authority, and that is destroyed entirely if it is just an abandoned wiki that happens to be hosted on the developers' server. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim\|talk]]) 13:52, 7 May 2015 (EDT)