User talk:Cheywoodward2 - Revision history

Zackmann08: /* Edits. */

2012-07-15T20:15:28Z

Edits.

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	So I see your block has expired. Are you using a script to do your edits again? If you do, you will get yourself blocked again. If you are using a bot, lets discuss it. They can be very useful but you need to get approval from the admins. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] 14:46, 15 July 2012 (CDT)		So I see your block has expired. Are you using a script to do your edits again? If you do, you will get yourself blocked again. If you are using a bot, lets discuss it. They can be very useful but you need to get approval from the admins. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] 14:46, 15 July 2012 (CDT)
	:This is your warning. If you make another edit without responding, you will be blocked again. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] 14:54, 15 July 2012 (CDT)		:This is your warning. If you make another edit without responding, you will be blocked again. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] 14:54, 15 July 2012 (CDT)
			::Ok. Well you need to be sure to leave the line-breaks in. That is the major thing. Line breaks help to break up the paragraphs and make the page easier to edit. Fixing typo's and spelling errors is fine, and frankly much needed. Just realize that when you edit 30 different pages in the span of 45 mins, it raises red flags. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] 15:15, 15 July 2012 (CDT)

Zackmann08: /* Edits. */

2012-07-15T19:54:17Z

Edits.

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	So I see your block has expired. Are you using a script to do your edits again? If you do, you will get yourself blocked again. If you are using a bot, lets discuss it. They can be very useful but you need to get approval from the admins. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] 14:46, 15 July 2012 (CDT)		So I see your block has expired. Are you using a script to do your edits again? If you do, you will get yourself blocked again. If you are using a bot, lets discuss it. They can be very useful but you need to get approval from the admins. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] 14:46, 15 July 2012 (CDT)
			:This is your warning. If you make another edit without responding, you will be blocked again. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] 14:54, 15 July 2012 (CDT)

Zackmann08: /* Edits. */ new section

2012-07-15T19:46:21Z

Edits.: new section

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	Why are you editing pages just to remove linebreaks? They don't even show up in final formatting, and are largely just there for ease of editing. There's no page standard saying you can't have linebreaks around a header, so please stop removing them immediately. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:34, 17 April 2012 (CDT)		Why are you editing pages just to remove linebreaks? They don't even show up in final formatting, and are largely just there for ease of editing. There's no page standard saying you can't have linebreaks around a header, so please stop removing them immediately. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:34, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
	:In addition you removed a bunch of linebreaks that indicate ''paragraphs''. Given you sometimes edit multiple articles in the same minute, I assume this is some kind of script you're running. Much as some of these changes are good I'm having to roll all of them back because you removed the linebreaks without bothering to ask anyone if that's how we wanted pages to be formatted, and in doing so condensed every multi-paragraph description your bot came across into a single block paragraph. Since I don't have an un-botting bot or time to check hundreds of articles over to see which ones you broke and which ones you didn't, I'm going to have to do it this way. In future please run all changes you plan to make past at least one admin ''before'' you start the thing up. I don't mind you using an automated editing script for basic spelling fixes (though you should ask Bunni before running it again), but a bunch of code can't be trusted to format an entire article by itself. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:44, 17 April 2012 (CDT)		:In addition you removed a bunch of linebreaks that indicate ''paragraphs''. Given you sometimes edit multiple articles in the same minute, I assume this is some kind of script you're running. Much as some of these changes are good I'm having to roll all of them back because you removed the linebreaks without bothering to ask anyone if that's how we wanted pages to be formatted, and in doing so condensed every multi-paragraph description your bot came across into a single block paragraph. Since I don't have an un-botting bot or time to check hundreds of articles over to see which ones you broke and which ones you didn't, I'm going to have to do it this way. In future please run all changes you plan to make past at least one admin ''before'' you start the thing up. I don't mind you using an automated editing script for basic spelling fixes (though you should ask Bunni before running it again), but a bunch of code can't be trusted to format an entire article by itself. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:44, 17 April 2012 (CDT)

			== Edits. ==

			So I see your block has expired. Are you using a script to do your edits again? If you do, you will get yourself blocked again. If you are using a bot, lets discuss it. They can be very useful but you need to get approval from the admins. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] 14:46, 15 July 2012 (CDT)

Evil Tim: /* Um... */

2012-04-17T21:36:42Z

Um...

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	Why are you editing pages just to remove linebreaks? They don't even show up in final formatting, and are largely just there for ease of editing. There's no page standard saying you can't have linebreaks around a header, so please stop removing them immediately. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:34, 17 April 2012 (CDT)		Why are you editing pages just to remove linebreaks? They don't even show up in final formatting, and are largely just there for ease of editing. There's no page standard saying you can't have linebreaks around a header, so please stop removing them immediately. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:34, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
	:In addition you removed a bunch of linebreaks that indicate ''paragraphs''. ~~Are~~ you ~~using a bot?~~ Much as some of these changes are good I'm having to roll all of them back because you removed the linebreaks without bothering to ask anyone if that's how we wanted pages to be formatted, and in doing so condensed every multi-paragraph description your bot came across into a single block paragraph. Since I don't have an un-botting bot or time to check hundreds of articles over to see which ones you broke and which ones you didn't, I'm going to have to do it this way. In future ~~ask~~ ''~~first~~''~~, and if~~ I ~~see~~ you using a ~~bot like this again you~~'ll be ~~looking at a suspension~~. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:44, 17 April 2012 (CDT)		:In addition you removed a bunch of linebreaks that indicate ''paragraphs''. Given you sometimes edit multiple articles in the same minute, I assume this is some kind of script you're running. Much as some of these changes are good I'm having to roll all of them back because you removed the linebreaks without bothering to ask anyone if that's how we wanted pages to be formatted, and in doing so condensed every multi-paragraph description your bot came across into a single block paragraph. Since I don't have an un-botting bot or time to check hundreds of articles over to see which ones you broke and which ones you didn't, I'm going to have to do it this way. In future please run all changes you plan to make past at least one admin ''before'' you start the thing up. I don't mind you using an automated editing script for basic spelling fixes (though you should ask Bunni before running it again), but a bunch of code can't be trusted to format an entire article by itself. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:44, 17 April 2012 (CDT)

Evil Tim: /* Um... */

2012-04-17T21:09:08Z

Um...

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	Why are you editing pages just to remove linebreaks? They don't even show up in final formatting, and are largely just there for ease of editing. There's no page standard saying you can't have linebreaks around a header, so please stop removing them immediately. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:34, 17 April 2012 (CDT)		Why are you editing pages just to remove linebreaks? They don't even show up in final formatting, and are largely just there for ease of editing. There's no page standard saying you can't have linebreaks around a header, so please stop removing them immediately. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:34, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
	:In addition you removed a bunch of linebreaks that indicate ''paragraphs''. Are you using a bot? Much as some of these changes are good I'm having to roll all of them back because you removed the linebreaks without bothering to ask anyone if that's how we wanted pages to be formatted. In future ask ''first'', and if I see you using a bot like this again you'll be looking at a suspension. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:44, 17 April 2012 (CDT)		:In addition you removed a bunch of linebreaks that indicate ''paragraphs''. Are you using a bot? Much as some of these changes are good I'm having to roll all of them back because you removed the linebreaks without bothering to ask anyone if that's how we wanted pages to be formatted, and in doing so condensed every multi-paragraph description your bot came across into a single block paragraph. Since I don't have an un-botting bot or time to check hundreds of articles over to see which ones you broke and which ones you didn't, I'm going to have to do it this way. In future ask ''first'', and if I see you using a bot like this again you'll be looking at a suspension. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:44, 17 April 2012 (CDT)

Evil Tim: /* Um... */

2012-04-17T20:50:08Z

Um...

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	Why are you editing pages just to remove linebreaks? They don't even show up in final formatting, and are largely just there for ease of editing. There's no page standard saying you can't have linebreaks around a header, so please stop removing them immediately. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:34, 17 April 2012 (CDT)		Why are you editing pages just to remove linebreaks? They don't even show up in final formatting, and are largely just there for ease of editing. There's no page standard saying you can't have linebreaks around a header, so please stop removing them immediately. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:34, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
	:In addition you removed a bunch of linebreaks that indicate ''paragraphs''. Are you using a bot? [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:44, 17 April 2012 (CDT)		:In addition you removed a bunch of linebreaks that indicate ''paragraphs''. Are you using a bot? Much as some of these changes are good I'm having to roll all of them back because you removed the linebreaks without bothering to ask anyone if that's how we wanted pages to be formatted. In future ask ''first'', and if I see you using a bot like this again you'll be looking at a suspension. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:44, 17 April 2012 (CDT)

Evil Tim: /* Um... */

2012-04-17T20:44:03Z

Um...

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	Why are you editing pages just to remove linebreaks? They don't even show up in final formatting, and are largely just there for ease of editing. There's no page standard saying you can't have linebreaks around a header, so please stop removing them immediately. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:34, 17 April 2012 (CDT)		Why are you editing pages just to remove linebreaks? They don't even show up in final formatting, and are largely just there for ease of editing. There's no page standard saying you can't have linebreaks around a header, so please stop removing them immediately. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:34, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
			:In addition you removed a bunch of linebreaks that indicate ''paragraphs''. Are you using a bot? [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:44, 17 April 2012 (CDT)

Evil Tim: /* Um... */

2012-04-17T20:38:04Z

Um...

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	Why are you editing pages just to remove linebreaks? They don't even show up in final formatting, and are largely just there for ease of editing. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:34, 17 April 2012 (CDT)		Why are you editing pages just to remove linebreaks? They don't even show up in final formatting, and are largely just there for ease of editing. There's no page standard saying you can't have linebreaks around a header, so please stop removing them immediately. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:34, 17 April 2012 (CDT)

Evil Tim: /* Um... */ new section

2012-04-17T20:34:49Z

Um...: new section

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	::The thing is a trailing mark ''isn't'' indicating a replacement word, and doesn't have brackets to make the spacing make some kind of sense. Really it's more like a variant semicolon, so it might make sense to have a space after it in a sentence (less so on a new line since it makes it look like a new sentence rather than a continuation), but you ''never'' put a space before a period normally in English. As it isn't a missing word, you also end up with a space that the sentence alone wouldn't have. Basically someone said "despite that this isn't a grammatical ellipsis, and despite that it indicates something completely different, it's still going to follow the same completely arbitrary rule because I said so." That's the kind of rule that makes a mockery of a living language. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 03:19, 13 April 2012 (CDT)		::The thing is a trailing mark ''isn't'' indicating a replacement word, and doesn't have brackets to make the spacing make some kind of sense. Really it's more like a variant semicolon, so it might make sense to have a space after it in a sentence (less so on a new line since it makes it look like a new sentence rather than a continuation), but you ''never'' put a space before a period normally in English. As it isn't a missing word, you also end up with a space that the sentence alone wouldn't have. Basically someone said "despite that this isn't a grammatical ellipsis, and despite that it indicates something completely different, it's still going to follow the same completely arbitrary rule because I said so." That's the kind of rule that makes a mockery of a living language. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 03:19, 13 April 2012 (CDT)

			== Um... ==

			Why are you editing pages just to remove linebreaks? They don't even show up in final formatting, and are largely just there for ease of editing. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 15:34, 17 April 2012 (CDT)

Evil Tim: /* Ellipses */

2012-04-13T08:19:37Z

Ellipses

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	While manuals of style might say to stick spaces either side of an ellipsis, in practice nobody does that any more than they give much thought to the various weird rules about spacing the periods. I don't think it's necessary to correct something that only people who worry about split infinitives think is actually wrong. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 20:30, 12 April 2012 (CDT)		While manuals of style might say to stick spaces either side of an ellipsis, in practice nobody does that any more than they give much thought to the various weird rules about spacing the periods. I don't think it's necessary to correct something that only people who worry about split infinitives think is actually wrong. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 20:30, 12 April 2012 (CDT)
	:Well, as far as I know that spacing rules only apply when it's used to indicate an actual ellipsis (ie, omitted text in a sentence). I don't think the rule applies when using it as a trailing off / trailing in mark. Also it looks wrong. I'm all for copy editing, but not for enforcing finicky grammatical rules that nobody really bothers with outside the grammar book writing industry. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 20:42, 12 April 2012 (CDT)		:Well, as far as I know that spacing rules only apply when it's used to indicate an actual ellipsis (ie, omitted text in a sentence). I don't think the rule applies when using it as a trailing off / trailing in mark. Also it looks wrong. I'm all for copy editing, but not for enforcing finicky grammatical rules that nobody really bothers with outside the grammar book writing industry. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 20:42, 12 April 2012 (CDT)
			::Just to flesh it out a little; the reason I don't like it is because it's one of those cases of artificial grammar where a rule is created without the creator thinking about whether it makes sense in context. The proper ellipsis is put in brackets so the spaces either side make sense, and it makes sense to space it because the sign indicates one or more missing words, and so is treated as if it ''is'' a word.

			::The thing is a trailing mark ''isn't'' indicating a replacement word, and doesn't have brackets to make the spacing make some kind of sense. Really it's more like a variant semicolon, so it might make sense to have a space after it in a sentence (less so on a new line since it makes it look like a new sentence rather than a continuation), but you ''never'' put a space before a period normally in English. As it isn't a missing word, you also end up with a space that the sentence alone wouldn't have. Basically someone said "despite that this isn't a grammatical ellipsis, and despite that it indicates something completely different, it's still going to follow the same completely arbitrary rule because I said so." That's the kind of rule that makes a mockery of a living language. [[User:Evil Tim\|Evil Tim]] 03:19, 13 April 2012 (CDT)

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	So I see your block has expired. Are you using a script to do your edits again? If you do, you will get yourself blocked again. If you are using a bot, lets discuss it. They can be very useful but you need to get approval from the admins. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] 14:46, 15 July 2012 (CDT)		So I see your block has expired. Are you using a script to do your edits again? If you do, you will get yourself blocked again. If you are using a bot, lets discuss it. They can be very useful but you need to get approval from the admins. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] 14:46, 15 July 2012 (CDT)
	:This is your warning. If you make another edit without responding, you will be blocked again. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] 14:54, 15 July 2012 (CDT)		:This is your warning. If you make another edit without responding, you will be blocked again. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] 14:54, 15 July 2012 (CDT)
			::Ok. Well you need to be sure to leave the line-breaks in. That is the major thing. Line breaks help to break up the paragraphs and make the page easier to edit. Fixing typo's and spelling errors is fine, and frankly much needed. Just realize that when you edit 30 different pages in the span of 45 mins, it raises red flags. --[[User:Zackmann08\|Zackmann08]] 15:15, 15 July 2012 (CDT)