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Jcordell: /* Colt Detective Special Generations */

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Colt Detective Special Generations

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	The subject of [[Colt Detective Special]] generations depends on which collector you're talking to.		The subject of [[Colt Detective Special]] generations depends on which collector you're talking to.

	Some say the 1st Gen ran from the late 20's (when it was introduced) until the early thirties when Colt changed the grips design. Giving it more flare and rounding it at the bottom. The grips re-design introduced in the early 30's was a good one. They consider that the 2nd Gen and then they count the changes made after WWII to be the 3rd Gen.		Some say the 1st Gen ran from the late 20's (when it was introduced) until the early thirties when Colt changed the grips design. Giving it more flare and rounding it at the bottom. The grips re-design introduced in the early 30's was a good one. They consider that the 2nd Gen and then they count the changes made after WWII to be the 3rd Gen. The changes made after WWII were a mix of cosmetic and engineering. For awhile Colt replaced the wooden grips with plastic grips which the company called "Colt wood". Eventually the wood grips returned. The checkering on the trigger face and cylinder latch were dropped. The ejector rod was lengthened almost to the end of the barrel to aid with more efficent ejection of empties and the front site was flattened towards the rear (doing away with the half circle design) and serrated to cut down on glare.

	The 4th Gen is the totally redesigned frame (heavy barrel, full lug protecting the ejector rod along with the shorter grip frame, wrap around wood grips and a ramped front sight) to be the 4th Gen or the Post-1971 Model. The changes made after WWII were a mix of cosmetic and engineering. For awhile Colt replaced the wooden grips with plastic grips which the company called "Colt wood". Eventually the wood grips returned. The checkering on the trigger face and cylinder latch were dropped. The ejector rod was lengthened almost to the end of the barrel to aid with more efficent ejection of empties and the front site was flattened towards the rear (doing away with the half circle design) and serrated to cut down on glare. That's one classification system.		The 4th Gen is the totally redesigned frame (heavy barrel, full lug protecting the ejector rod along with the shorter grip frame, wrap around wood grips and a ramped front sight) to be the 4th Gen or the Post-1971 Model.

			That's one classification system.

	There are some who call all the Colt DS models up until 1971/72 to be the "First Issue" and everything after 1971/72 to be "Second Issue". Pretty broad, but simple.		There are some who call all the Colt DS models up until 1971/72 to be the "First Issue" and everything after 1971/72 to be "Second Issue". Pretty broad, but simple.

Jcordell at 00:21, 30 September 2011

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	==Sorry==		==Sorry==
	When guys talk out of their asses, I get bent out of shape. Won't happen again. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]]		When guys talk out of their asses, I get bent out of shape. Won't happen again. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]]


			==Colt Detective Special Generations==

			The subject of [[Colt Detective Special]] generations depends on which collector you're talking to.

			Some say the 1st Gen ran from the late 20's (when it was introduced) until the early thirties when Colt changed the grips design. Giving it more flare and rounding it at the bottom. The grips re-design introduced in the early 30's was a good one. They consider that the 2nd Gen and then they count the changes made after WWII to be the 3rd Gen.

			The 4th Gen is the totally redesigned frame (heavy barrel, full lug protecting the ejector rod along with the shorter grip frame, wrap around wood grips and a ramped front sight) to be the 4th Gen or the Post-1971 Model. The changes made after WWII were a mix of cosmetic and engineering. For awhile Colt replaced the wooden grips with plastic grips which the company called "Colt wood". Eventually the wood grips returned. The checkering on the trigger face and cylinder latch were dropped. The ejector rod was lengthened almost to the end of the barrel to aid with more efficent ejection of empties and the front site was flattened towards the rear (doing away with the half circle design) and serrated to cut down on glare. That's one classification system.

			There are some who call all the Colt DS models up until 1971/72 to be the "First Issue" and everything after 1971/72 to be "Second Issue". Pretty broad, but simple.

			Then, finally, we have the classification system that we here at imfdb have choosen to go with. All Colt DS revolver made up to and through WW II are considered 1st Generation. Believe it or not Colt made a small number of Detective Specials during the war. Supposedly for use by O.S.S. agents. The Second Generation is the Post-WWII Detective Special up until 1971/72.

			None of them are wrong or right. Just different. --[[User:Jcordell\|Jcordell]] 19:21, 29 September 2011 (CDT)

MoviePropMaster2008 at 19:34, 6 December 2010

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	Over the past few months I've come across some pieces about imfdb (in cyberspace) in which the commentary basically states that imfdb's focus on firearms is repulsive, horrible blah blah blah. That's basically what I was referring to. The Antis have discovered us. Personally I believe it means we're popular when the other side starts to attack. --[[User:Jcordell\|Jcordell]] 13:41, 17 October 2010 (UTC)		Over the past few months I've come across some pieces about imfdb (in cyberspace) in which the commentary basically states that imfdb's focus on firearms is repulsive, horrible blah blah blah. That's basically what I was referring to. The Antis have discovered us. Personally I believe it means we're popular when the other side starts to attack. --[[User:Jcordell\|Jcordell]] 13:41, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

			==Sorry==
			When guys talk out of their asses, I get bent out of shape. Won't happen again. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]]

Jcordell: /* 27 vs. 19 */

2010-10-17T13:41:58Z

27 vs. 19

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	== 27 vs. 19 ==		== 27 vs. 19 ==
			Well as you know the 27/28 are N frame revolvers and the 19 is a K frame. As a result sometimes you can tell just because the revolver appears to be beefier in the actor's hand. Also from some angles you can look at the cylinders.

			In the Model 19 the cylinder fills the entire frame. But with the 27/28 the forcing cone (the end of the barrel that faces the cylinder front) is huge and juts into the frame. There is a distinctive gap between the front of the cylinder and the frame as a result. Now if you look at a Model 29 you'll see that the cylinder fills the frame. That's because the .44 magnum is a longer cartridge compared to the .357 magnum and requires a longer cylinder. The N frame is bigger. But with the K frame the .357 magnum cylinder will fill the frame since the K frame is only a mid-size frame.

			Did I explain that clearly? If not let me know.

			Another feature is the barrel of the 27/28 model has a taper. The barrel on the Model 19 doesn't taper. It's more of what we call a "bull" barrel.

			Over the past few months I've come across some pieces about imfdb (in cyberspace) in which the commentary basically states that imfdb's focus on firearms is repulsive, horrible blah blah blah. That's basically what I was referring to. The Antis have discovered us. Personally I believe it means we're popular when the other side starts to attack. --[[User:Jcordell\|Jcordell]] 13:41, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Jcordell at 13:21, 17 October 2010

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	:No, legally it's treated the same as any hunting rifle here. I actually have a PTRD-41 anti-tank rifle in 14.5mm, and about 15 rounds that came with it. That said, as armor piercing ammo is illegal, and only armor-piercing ammo has ever been made, the only ammo available here is surplus Soviet cases that have been reloaded with soft point or solid copper bullets, and when it's available it's $40 a pop. Canada is actually better than the US when it comes to WW2 Soviet firearms - the Clinton administration signed an agreement with Russia that Russia wouldn't send certain firearms to the US, such as SVT-40s and SKSs. So they all come here instead. Our market is flooded with SVTs the way the US market is flooded with Mosins and Nagant revolvers. And of course anything over .50 cal is a destructive device in the US, so we got about 100 PTRDs that would have gone south instead. - [[User:Nyles\|Nyles]]		:No, legally it's treated the same as any hunting rifle here. I actually have a PTRD-41 anti-tank rifle in 14.5mm, and about 15 rounds that came with it. That said, as armor piercing ammo is illegal, and only armor-piercing ammo has ever been made, the only ammo available here is surplus Soviet cases that have been reloaded with soft point or solid copper bullets, and when it's available it's $40 a pop. Canada is actually better than the US when it comes to WW2 Soviet firearms - the Clinton administration signed an agreement with Russia that Russia wouldn't send certain firearms to the US, such as SVT-40s and SKSs. So they all come here instead. Our market is flooded with SVTs the way the US market is flooded with Mosins and Nagant revolvers. And of course anything over .50 cal is a destructive device in the US, so we got about 100 PTRDs that would have gone south instead. - [[User:Nyles\|Nyles]]

			== 27 vs. 19 ==

Nyles at 14:53, 15 October 2010

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	I've shot most of the guns in my collection, and I figure eventually I'll shoot them all. There are calibers I haven't been able to find ammo for, although eventually I track down pretty much everything. Collecting vintage military guns is popular enough that there's alot of specialty companies loading obsolete rounds. Check out Fiocci's product line, for example, that's often pretty easy to find. It'd be even easier for you since you can actually order stuff from the States. It's not cheap, but it's doable. Ironically the hardest one to find ammo for is the 14.5mm Soviet, and that's still in current military use! - [[User:Nyles\|Nyles]]		I've shot most of the guns in my collection, and I figure eventually I'll shoot them all. There are calibers I haven't been able to find ammo for, although eventually I track down pretty much everything. Collecting vintage military guns is popular enough that there's alot of specialty companies loading obsolete rounds. Check out Fiocci's product line, for example, that's often pretty easy to find. It'd be even easier for you since you can actually order stuff from the States. It's not cheap, but it's doable. Ironically the hardest one to find ammo for is the 14.5mm Soviet, and that's still in current military use! - [[User:Nyles\|Nyles]]

			:No, legally it's treated the same as any hunting rifle here. I actually have a PTRD-41 anti-tank rifle in 14.5mm, and about 15 rounds that came with it. That said, as armor piercing ammo is illegal, and only armor-piercing ammo has ever been made, the only ammo available here is surplus Soviet cases that have been reloaded with soft point or solid copper bullets, and when it's available it's $40 a pop. Canada is actually better than the US when it comes to WW2 Soviet firearms - the Clinton administration signed an agreement with Russia that Russia wouldn't send certain firearms to the US, such as SVT-40s and SKSs. So they all come here instead. Our market is flooded with SVTs the way the US market is flooded with Mosins and Nagant revolvers. And of course anything over .50 cal is a destructive device in the US, so we got about 100 PTRDs that would have gone south instead. - [[User:Nyles\|Nyles]]

Nyles: /* RE: Ammunition */ new section

2010-10-15T03:24:53Z

RE: Ammunition: new section

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	Please don't change the px for these screenshots to 600px. Since these shots are in the 4x3 format, 600px makes them seem way too big. --[[User:Ben41\|Ben41]] 00:11, 2 October 2010 (UTC)		Please don't change the px for these screenshots to 600px. Since these shots are in the 4x3 format, 600px makes them seem way too big. --[[User:Ben41\|Ben41]] 00:11, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

			== RE: Ammunition ==

			I've shot most of the guns in my collection, and I figure eventually I'll shoot them all. There are calibers I haven't been able to find ammo for, although eventually I track down pretty much everything. Collecting vintage military guns is popular enough that there's alot of specialty companies loading obsolete rounds. Check out Fiocci's product line, for example, that's often pretty easy to find. It'd be even easier for you since you can actually order stuff from the States. It's not cheap, but it's doable. Ironically the hardest one to find ammo for is the 14.5mm Soviet, and that's still in current military use! - [[User:Nyles\|Nyles]]

Ben41: /* Hawaii Five-0 */ new section

2010-10-02T00:11:09Z

Hawaii Five-0: new section

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	- [[User:Nyles\|Nyles]]		- [[User:Nyles\|Nyles]]

			== Hawaii Five-0 ==

			Please don't change the px for these screenshots to 600px. Since these shots are in the 4x3 format, 600px makes them seem way too big. --[[User:Ben41\|Ben41]] 00:11, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Funkychinaman at 06:23, 26 September 2010

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	I'm glad someone else remembered WWI in color too. It was mindblowing to see all these things you only saw in BW in color, and yes, it was rich in content as well. As for the cavalry show, I was thinking skills throughout history, like picking off rings while charging with a lance, slashing with a sabre while charging, shooting a bow and arrow while shooting, and firing and reloading a revolver while at full gallop as well. You can even do a Roman show, where you have to do basic tasks, but with a stirrup-less Roman saddle. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|funkychinaman]] 21:16, 2 September 2010 (UTC)		I'm glad someone else remembered WWI in color too. It was mindblowing to see all these things you only saw in BW in color, and yes, it was rich in content as well. As for the cavalry show, I was thinking skills throughout history, like picking off rings while charging with a lance, slashing with a sabre while charging, shooting a bow and arrow while shooting, and firing and reloading a revolver while at full gallop as well. You can even do a Roman show, where you have to do basic tasks, but with a stirrup-less Roman saddle. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|funkychinaman]] 21:16, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

			Nice article, thanks for the link! It's one of the better topic articles, that's for sure. --[[User:Funkychinaman\|funkychinaman]] 06:23, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

	== Reviews ==		== Reviews ==

24.77.10.163: /* 56-56 Spencer */

2010-09-06T20:46:07Z

56-56 Spencer

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	The original .30-30 load was a 160 grain bullet at about 2000 fps, which will shoot much further and flatter than a .45-70. A .45-70 has alot more knock-down power close in, but in terms of ability to shoot at range there's really no contest. The .45-70 has a trajectory like a golf ball compared to a .30-30. That said, because you can't use pointed bullets in a tube mag, the .30-30 is still not a great long-range performer by today's standards.		The original .30-30 load was a 160 grain bullet at about 2000 fps, which will shoot much further and flatter than a .45-70. A .45-70 has alot more knock-down power close in, but in terms of ability to shoot at range there's really no contest. The .45-70 has a trajectory like a golf ball compared to a .30-30. That said, because you can't use pointed bullets in a tube mag, the .30-30 is still not a great long-range performer by today's standards.

			- [[User:Nyles\|Nyles]]

			Winchester always wanted military customers for their guns, and pretty much every rifle they made was offered in "musket" (military) form. The largest use of the Winchester rifle by a military would be the 1895 Russian Musket, of which about 300,000 were made and used by the Russian's during WW1 and the ensuing internal struggles. The Russian Musket differed from the standard 1895 Musket in that it loaded via clip. The US Army also field tested 1000 Winchester 95 Muskets in .30-40 Krag during the Phillipine Insurrection in 1899, where they were not very well received.

			In terms of the tube magazine models, the most famous use is, as you mention, the Turkish Model 1866 Musket which was used most famously at the Battle of Plevna in 1877. The Turks actually lost, but they held out far longer than they ought to have because of the firepower of the Winchester. Interestingly the Turks actually use both the Peabody-Martini 1874 (a straight copy of the Martini-Henry), which was their principle service arm, and the Winchester at Plevna. They'd use the Martinis at long range and then switch to the Winchester when things got close. The Russians were using obsolete mainly obsolete Krnkas, and their rifle units had the Berdan II.

			The Mexican government bought about 600 (of 700 made) Winchester 1895 transitional rifles, which would be the only actual official sale of Winchesters to Mexico. The many used during the Revolution were privately owned. In terms of paramilitary use, the Canadian NWMP used the 1876 carbine for many years, as did the Texas rangers. There were several 1892s in .44-40 used as shipboard weapons in the Royal Navy during WW1, mostly used for blowing up mines. The Canadian Pacific Coast Militia Rangers used the 1894 in .30-30 during WW2. I've seen a Model 1886 with British markings being sold as an ex-Royal Naval Air Service gun, but I suspect its fake. Thats about all I can think of off the top of my head.

	- [[User:Nyles\|Nyles]]		- [[User:Nyles\|Nyles]]