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Commando552 at 01:08, 13 June 2012

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	I'm pretty sure the only appearance of this is a wrong ID. First off, I've never seen this grenade with anything other than a looped wire handle and it had the fuze mounted on the top of the grenade. In the film it is listed in the grenade is mounted an a wooden handle with a screw cap on the bottom of the handle for the fuze, making me think it is actually a mockup of a Model 24 with a fragmentation head/sleeve. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 17:57, 12 June 2012 (CDT)		I'm pretty sure the only appearance of this is a wrong ID. First off, I've never seen this grenade with anything other than a looped wire handle and it had the fuze mounted on the top of the grenade. In the film it is listed in the grenade is mounted an a wooden handle with a screw cap on the bottom of the handle for the fuze, making me think it is actually a mockup of a Model 24 with a fragmentation head/sleeve. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 17:57, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

	This already is a newer model. What you saw was the original model the 1914th But this is at the very end of the war, when it is used only new types of course, had a wooden handle and if anything, is not the handle of the Model 24, but the Model 17!.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:13, 12 June 2012 (CDT)		This already is a newer model. What you saw was the original model the 1914th But this is at the very end of the war, when it is used only new types of course, had a wooden handle and if anything, is not the handle of the Model 24, but the Model 17!.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:13, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
	But it is true, that the image of this handle will not precise - it looks more like an add-on potato planter, so I give the original model.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:43, 12 June 2012 (CDT)		But it is true, that the image of this handle will not precise - it looks more like an add-on potato planter, so I give the original model.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:43, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

			While trying to find out about this grenade I found that it seems like Austria had some not great ideas when it came to grenades. For the first models they simply had an exposed fuze that had to be lit with a match or taper which was in no way practical. The next versions moved to a friction fuze which was basically a little bag of black powder on the end of the fuze that was ignited by pulling on a metal ball attached to a friction striker. Predictably, having an exposed bag of black powder did not fare well in the wet and muddy condition of trench warfare. The ball also had a tendency of getting caught on things and detonating the grenade whilst it was attached to your belt. The solution they came up with was having the fuze at the bottom of the grenade inside a handle, like the later German stick grenades. Unfortunately, the material they chose to construct this handle from was cardboard, which again totally failed to keep the fuze dry. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 20:08, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

Pandolfini at 00:43, 13 June 2012

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	I'm pretty sure the only appearance of this is a wrong ID. First off, I've never seen this grenade with anything other than a looped wire handle and it had the fuze mounted on the top of the grenade. In the film it is listed in the grenade is mounted an a wooden handle with a screw cap on the bottom of the handle for the fuze, making me think it is actually a mockup of a Model 24 with a fragmentation head/sleeve. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 17:57, 12 June 2012 (CDT)		I'm pretty sure the only appearance of this is a wrong ID. First off, I've never seen this grenade with anything other than a looped wire handle and it had the fuze mounted on the top of the grenade. In the film it is listed in the grenade is mounted an a wooden handle with a screw cap on the bottom of the handle for the fuze, making me think it is actually a mockup of a Model 24 with a fragmentation head/sleeve. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 17:57, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
	This already is a newer model. What you saw was the original model the 1914th But this is at the very end of the war, when it is used only new types of course, had a wooden handle and if anything, is not the handle of the Model 24, but the Model 17!.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:13, 12 June 2012 (CDT)		This already is a newer model. What you saw was the original model the 1914th But this is at the very end of the war, when it is used only new types of course, had a wooden handle and if anything, is not the handle of the Model 24, but the Model 17!.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:13, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
			But it is true, that the image of this handle will not precise - it looks more like an add-on potato planter, so I give the original model.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:43, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

Pandolfini at 00:16, 13 June 2012

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	I'm pretty sure the only appearance of this is a wrong ID. First off, I've never seen this grenade with anything other than a looped wire handle and it had the fuze mounted on the top of the grenade. In the film it is listed in the grenade is mounted an a wooden handle with a screw cap on the bottom of the handle for the fuze, making me think it is actually a mockup of a Model 24 with a fragmentation head/sleeve. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 17:57, 12 June 2012 (CDT)		I'm pretty sure the only appearance of this is a wrong ID. First off, I've never seen this grenade with anything other than a looped wire handle and it had the fuze mounted on the top of the grenade. In the film it is listed in the grenade is mounted an a wooden handle with a screw cap on the bottom of the handle for the fuze, making me think it is actually a mockup of a Model 24 with a fragmentation head/sleeve. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 17:57, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
	This already is a newer model. What you saw was the original model the 1914th But this is at the very end of the war, when it is used only new types of course, had a wooden handle~~.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:13, 12 June 2012 (CDT)~~		This already is a newer model. What you saw was the original model the 1914th But this is at the very end of the war, when it is used only new types of course, had a wooden handle and if anything, is not the handle of the Model 24, but the Model 17!.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:13, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
	~~Oh,~~ and if anything, is the handle of the Model 24, but the Model 17!--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:14, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

Pandolfini at 00:14, 13 June 2012

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	I'm pretty sure the only appearance of this is a wrong ID. First off, I've never seen this grenade with anything other than a looped wire handle and it had the fuze mounted on the top of the grenade. In the film it is listed in the grenade is mounted an a wooden handle with a screw cap on the bottom of the handle for the fuze, making me think it is actually a mockup of a Model 24 with a fragmentation head/sleeve. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 17:57, 12 June 2012 (CDT)		I'm pretty sure the only appearance of this is a wrong ID. First off, I've never seen this grenade with anything other than a looped wire handle and it had the fuze mounted on the top of the grenade. In the film it is listed in the grenade is mounted an a wooden handle with a screw cap on the bottom of the handle for the fuze, making me think it is actually a mockup of a Model 24 with a fragmentation head/sleeve. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 17:57, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
	This already is a newer model. What you saw was the original model the 1914th But this is at the very end of the war, when it is used only new types of course, had a wooden handle.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:13, 12 June 2012 (CDT)		This already is a newer model. What you saw was the original model the 1914th But this is at the very end of the war, when it is used only new types of course, had a wooden handle.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:13, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
			Oh, and if anything, is the handle of the Model 24, but the Model 17!--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:14, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

Pandolfini at 00:13, 13 June 2012

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	I'm pretty sure the only appearance of this is a wrong ID. First off, I've never seen this grenade with anything other than a looped wire handle and it had the fuze mounted on the top of the grenade. In the film it is listed in the grenade is mounted an a wooden handle with a screw cap on the bottom of the handle for the fuze, making me think it is actually a mockup of a Model 24 with a fragmentation head/sleeve. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 17:57, 12 June 2012 (CDT)		I'm pretty sure the only appearance of this is a wrong ID. First off, I've never seen this grenade with anything other than a looped wire handle and it had the fuze mounted on the top of the grenade. In the film it is listed in the grenade is mounted an a wooden handle with a screw cap on the bottom of the handle for the fuze, making me think it is actually a mockup of a Model 24 with a fragmentation head/sleeve. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 17:57, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
			This already is a newer model. What you saw was the original model the 1914th But this is at the very end of the war, when it is used only new types of course, had a wooden handle.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:13, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

Commando552 at 22:57, 12 June 2012

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	History please. This is something new to western readers. Thanks :D [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]]		History please. This is something new to western readers. Thanks :D [[User:MoviePropMaster2008\|MoviePropMaster2008]]

			I'm pretty sure the only appearance of this is a wrong ID. First off, I've never seen this grenade with anything other than a looped wire handle and it had the fuze mounted on the top of the grenade. In the film it is listed in the grenade is mounted an a wooden handle with a screw cap on the bottom of the handle for the fuze, making me think it is actually a mockup of a Model 24 with a fragmentation head/sleeve. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 17:57, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

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	I'm pretty sure the only appearance of this is a wrong ID. First off, I've never seen this grenade with anything other than a looped wire handle and it had the fuze mounted on the top of the grenade. In the film it is listed in the grenade is mounted an a wooden handle with a screw cap on the bottom of the handle for the fuze, making me think it is actually a mockup of a Model 24 with a fragmentation head/sleeve. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 17:57, 12 June 2012 (CDT)		I'm pretty sure the only appearance of this is a wrong ID. First off, I've never seen this grenade with anything other than a looped wire handle and it had the fuze mounted on the top of the grenade. In the film it is listed in the grenade is mounted an a wooden handle with a screw cap on the bottom of the handle for the fuze, making me think it is actually a mockup of a Model 24 with a fragmentation head/sleeve. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 17:57, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

	This already is a newer model. What you saw was the original model the 1914th But this is at the very end of the war, when it is used only new types of course, had a wooden handle and if anything, is not the handle of the Model 24, but the Model 17!.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:13, 12 June 2012 (CDT)		This already is a newer model. What you saw was the original model the 1914th But this is at the very end of the war, when it is used only new types of course, had a wooden handle and if anything, is not the handle of the Model 24, but the Model 17!.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:13, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
	But it is true, that the image of this handle will not precise - it looks more like an add-on potato planter, so I give the original model.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:43, 12 June 2012 (CDT)		But it is true, that the image of this handle will not precise - it looks more like an add-on potato planter, so I give the original model.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:43, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

			While trying to find out about this grenade I found that it seems like Austria had some not great ideas when it came to grenades. For the first models they simply had an exposed fuze that had to be lit with a match or taper which was in no way practical. The next versions moved to a friction fuze which was basically a little bag of black powder on the end of the fuze that was ignited by pulling on a metal ball attached to a friction striker. Predictably, having an exposed bag of black powder did not fare well in the wet and muddy condition of trench warfare. The ball also had a tendency of getting caught on things and detonating the grenade whilst it was attached to your belt. The solution they came up with was having the fuze at the bottom of the grenade inside a handle, like the later German stick grenades. Unfortunately, the material they chose to construct this handle from was cardboard, which again totally failed to keep the fuze dry. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 20:08, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

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	I'm pretty sure the only appearance of this is a wrong ID. First off, I've never seen this grenade with anything other than a looped wire handle and it had the fuze mounted on the top of the grenade. In the film it is listed in the grenade is mounted an a wooden handle with a screw cap on the bottom of the handle for the fuze, making me think it is actually a mockup of a Model 24 with a fragmentation head/sleeve. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 17:57, 12 June 2012 (CDT)		I'm pretty sure the only appearance of this is a wrong ID. First off, I've never seen this grenade with anything other than a looped wire handle and it had the fuze mounted on the top of the grenade. In the film it is listed in the grenade is mounted an a wooden handle with a screw cap on the bottom of the handle for the fuze, making me think it is actually a mockup of a Model 24 with a fragmentation head/sleeve. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 17:57, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
	This already is a newer model. What you saw was the original model the 1914th But this is at the very end of the war, when it is used only new types of course, had a wooden handle and if anything, is not the handle of the Model 24, but the Model 17!.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:13, 12 June 2012 (CDT)		This already is a newer model. What you saw was the original model the 1914th But this is at the very end of the war, when it is used only new types of course, had a wooden handle and if anything, is not the handle of the Model 24, but the Model 17!.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:13, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
			But it is true, that the image of this handle will not precise - it looks more like an add-on potato planter, so I give the original model.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:43, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

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	I'm pretty sure the only appearance of this is a wrong ID. First off, I've never seen this grenade with anything other than a looped wire handle and it had the fuze mounted on the top of the grenade. In the film it is listed in the grenade is mounted an a wooden handle with a screw cap on the bottom of the handle for the fuze, making me think it is actually a mockup of a Model 24 with a fragmentation head/sleeve. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 17:57, 12 June 2012 (CDT)		I'm pretty sure the only appearance of this is a wrong ID. First off, I've never seen this grenade with anything other than a looped wire handle and it had the fuze mounted on the top of the grenade. In the film it is listed in the grenade is mounted an a wooden handle with a screw cap on the bottom of the handle for the fuze, making me think it is actually a mockup of a Model 24 with a fragmentation head/sleeve. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 17:57, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
	This already is a newer model. What you saw was the original model the 1914th But this is at the very end of the war, when it is used only new types of course, had a wooden handle~~.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:13, 12 June 2012 (CDT)~~		This already is a newer model. What you saw was the original model the 1914th But this is at the very end of the war, when it is used only new types of course, had a wooden handle and if anything, is not the handle of the Model 24, but the Model 17!.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:13, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
	~~Oh,~~ and if anything, is the handle of the Model 24, but the Model 17!--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:14, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

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	I'm pretty sure the only appearance of this is a wrong ID. First off, I've never seen this grenade with anything other than a looped wire handle and it had the fuze mounted on the top of the grenade. In the film it is listed in the grenade is mounted an a wooden handle with a screw cap on the bottom of the handle for the fuze, making me think it is actually a mockup of a Model 24 with a fragmentation head/sleeve. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 17:57, 12 June 2012 (CDT)		I'm pretty sure the only appearance of this is a wrong ID. First off, I've never seen this grenade with anything other than a looped wire handle and it had the fuze mounted on the top of the grenade. In the film it is listed in the grenade is mounted an a wooden handle with a screw cap on the bottom of the handle for the fuze, making me think it is actually a mockup of a Model 24 with a fragmentation head/sleeve. --[[User:Commando552\|commando552]] 17:57, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
	This already is a newer model. What you saw was the original model the 1914th But this is at the very end of the war, when it is used only new types of course, had a wooden handle.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:13, 12 June 2012 (CDT)		This already is a newer model. What you saw was the original model the 1914th But this is at the very end of the war, when it is used only new types of course, had a wooden handle.--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:13, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
			Oh, and if anything, is the handle of the Model 24, but the Model 17!--[[User:Pandolfini\|Pandolfini]] 19:14, 12 June 2012 (CDT)